Half life 2's Graphics.

[The Brick]

ok ok i get the point. sorry.

 

[Absinthe]

Jeez, how many times do people have to post this stuff.

Seriously, this just shows that you guys want to reassure your own selves that the graphics are good - when you know there is a product like Doom 3 which beats it by far.

HL2 graphics are good and all, and suit the theme. All fancy and dandy. But they aren't in the league of new engines liked D3, so get over that fact!

Umm... Thing is, I couldn't give a flying duck fart about how much more powerful Doom 3 is. It has no restraint when it comes to it's graphical capabilities. Character models don't look too great. And the animation, while good, lacks the fluidity of what I've seen in HL2.

I don't need to reassure myself about anything. I think Half-Life 2, despite a less powerful engine, looks better than Doom 3. I attribute that to the graphic design and artistic direction. Not the engine.

 

[Caminante]

Ive heard alot about HL2, And i cant wait, I see all of you have been watching the bink videos and looking at screenshots of HL2, But what i have done, and i think was a very good idea, was Kept myself away from anything HL2 related, i have not seen any videos/binks or any of the sort related to hl2, But occasionally the screenshot just pops out at me here or there, The reason i did this Was to keep HL2's Graphics More STUNNING the first time i play the game, And i think that Hl2 will be alot more thrilling for me than for you, Because you gave into the "Hype" And now its gone, That means when It really comes, you will look at the graphics and go: Cool!!

But for me, well im going to go OMG OMG OMG OMG COOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And probably faint.

Please discuss about what you think on this topic.

I'd like to make the assumption due to the lack of maturity in your words, that you've probably never seen a naked woman in your life.
:E

 

[thefiznut]

Umm... Thing is, I couldn't give a flying duck fart about how much more powerful Doom 3 is. It has no restraint when it comes to it's graphical capabilities. Character models don't look too great. And the animation, while good, lacks the fluidity of what I've seen in HL2.

I don't need to reassure myself about anything. I think Half-Life 2, despite a less powerful engine, looks better than Doom 3. I attribute that to the graphic design and artistic direction. Not the engine.

I completely agree.

 

[thefiznut]

I'd like to make the assumption due to the lack of maturity in your words, that you've probably never seen a naked woman in your life.
:E

Well atleast he didn't insult anyone, or make assumptions about someone elses sexual status. He's a better man because of it, IMO.

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

Well atleast he didn't insult anyone, or make assumptions about someone elses sexual status. He's a better man because of it IMO.

quoted for emphasis

 

[poseyjmac]

I attribute that to the graphic design and artistic direction. Not the engine.

yep true. or AKA the aesthetics of the game.

 

[Xenome]

I think that UE3 as we saw it at e3 still beats the source engine and d3 engine if they are at full power.

not again..

The unreal engine 3 will be used in games that wont come out 3 years from now, so it's not normal to place this comment.

Damn when will these ppl learn to think..

 

[The Brick]

Damn when will these ppl learn to think..

I said sorry, ok? It's late here, hard to think.

 

[alan8325]

Umm... Thing is, I couldn't give a flying duck fart about how much more powerful Doom 3 is. It has no restraint when it comes to it's graphical capabilities. Character models don't look too great. And the animation, while good, lacks the fluidity of what I've seen in HL2.

I don't need to reassure myself about anything. I think Half-Life 2, despite a less powerful engine, looks better than Doom 3. I attribute that to the graphic design and artistic direction. Not the engine.

Agreed, however the Source engine better be able to be upgraded if Half-Life 3 is to compete with games running on the Unreal 3 engine. If that comparison article is true in stating that the Source engine is NOT the engine of the future, it's back to the drawing board for Valve.

 

[poseyjmac]

I said sorry, ok? It's late here, hard to think.

hehe you're too nice. this is hl2.net call him an idiot! JK JK

 

[mutt]

Jeez, how many times do people have to post this stuff.

Seriously, this just shows that you guys want to reassure your own selves that the graphics are good - when you know there is a product like Doom 3 which beats it by far.

HL2 graphics are good and all, and suit the theme. All fancy and dandy. But they aren't in the league of new engines liked D3, so get over that fact!

am i missing somthing?

hl2 looks as good as doom3 in my view. althought its hard to compare as doom3 only has poo inside gameplay most the time. no one has seen how well its works with outside environments like hl2 does.

also valve understand that everything isnt made of rubber, which is was doom3 managed to achieve. i bet rubber trees and cars dont look so great

long live valve!

 

[ZeeM]

OK, get used to it anyway and stop filling the forum with "doom3 graphics>hl2"...
its simple, doom`s engine can render only small areas while bigger areas will make your rig blow up. And where the hell do you see those "high details"? In the shadows? Or in those shiny single-colored metal textures? (actually, one texture was enough to make the whole game)

 

[brink's]

I posted that article here - and purposely got that thread locked.

That article is extremely biased towards source. He has just made assumptions on what the source engine can do, and how exactly does he know that the D3 engine is not capable of better A.I.?

Sure Doom 3 the game used low poly models and low res textures with extensive bump/normal mapping - but that doesn't mean that some developer can later on use the engine with higher poly models and even higher res textures. Id didn't use the D3 engine to it's full potential - because there isn't good enough hardware to handle it - that's why it's an engine for the future.

Unfortunately valve hasn't told us anything about source's potential and limitations - who knows that HL2 is using source's full potential? or not even 1/4 of it.

We don't know anything about source, that guy has just made some wild assumptions about what it's capable of from videos and other media. Carmack has at least told us about the D3 engine's potential and limitations in earlier articles and at Quakecon.

I do know that, but he states that Valve have done more with Source then ID has with the DOOM3 engine. Meaning that for the moment we are seeing almost everything that Source can do (and its beatiful) and we are only seeing small amount of what the DOOM3 engine is capable. He also states that because D3 excells at lighting and shadow that they had to cut back on other things like large environments and character models.Source is the engine of today, D3 is the engine of the future.

 

[Caminante]

Well atleast he didn't insult anyone, or make assumptions about someone elses sexual status. He's a better man because of it, IMO.

I apollogise if my comments hurt anyone's feelings - just joking i do not.:E I was mearly referring to the silly, over-used, tireing etc etc "OMG HL2 WILL OWN!!111" and blah blah blah.

 

[sk8dresher]

im just so fu*king excited about playing it i love half life 1 and the graphics suck. I believe that in this game there is going to be so much to explore and mess around with that no other game has offered so far. That is what is going to make this game so cool, i mean come on that one gun where u can pick stuff up with OMG!!!

 

[IamApple]

*Bump* :thumbs:

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Omfg!!!!!!

 

[She]

OMG!!
you can pick up stuff in DeusEx2!
OMG!!
Nobody cares!

OMG!!
IN HL2!! y.. you can PICK UP A BOTTLE!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S AMAZING!!!!

 

[IamApple]

OMG!!
IN HL2!! y.. you can PICK UP A BOTTLE!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S AMAZING!!!!

Oh Thanks man, Thanks, What a spoiler. Use a warning next time pls.

 

[aeroripper]

lol, btw She isn't a he :-P

 

[Caminante]

OMG!!
you can pick up stuff in DeusEx2!
OMG!!
Nobody cares!

OMG!!
IN HL2!! y.. you can PICK UP A BOTTLE!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S AMAZING!!!!

OMC! He can make scramble eggs!!!!111 yummy
:E

 

[Kitarist]

even if hl2 doesnt have a next generation engine we will still enjoy it but i think the graphics still looks really good compared to other games

 

[Danimal]

Yea well i dont care about the graphics for these 2 reasons

1) my computer isnt good enough for the highest
2) Graphics arent all that make up the game

But the graphics are good, the physics is great as well. The manipulator will be my favourite weapon as long as it will be balanced

 

[CR0M]

There's a lot of talk about wanting photo realism in graphics.
but... what happens when that level is reached? You can't go any better than real. It's all just gonna grind to a halt. Faster graphics cards? no need. Better engines? why? all the games run the same.
There's gotta be a limit to how far all these graphical shenanigans can go - man I will be relieved when I don't have to upgrade anymore.

 

[RoguePsi]

Now get away from these forums!

Yeah piss off!!

[/comedy rudeness]

 

[The Monkey]

After just watching the Ravenholt Bink for the first time, I gotta say that HL2's graphic is twice as good than all other games in the market combined.

 

[crabcakes66]

Source is the engine of today, D3 is the engine of the future.

Doom3 has the gameplay of yesterday. HL2(I assume) will have the gameplay of the future.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

Doom3 has the gameplay of yesterday. HL2(I assume) will have the gameplay of the future.

I prefer gameplay and atmosphere over graphics any day. I still sometimes play HL now and then. :naughty:

 

[Rupertvdb]

i think that HL2 looks amazing, way more realistic and fantastic than a game like Far Cry which in itself blew me away, doom looks good from the screenshots and movies but ID seems to have fallen foul of the gameplay bug, lets wait and see what HL2 can do.

 

[mutt]

There's a lot of talk about wanting photo realism in graphics.
but... what happens when that level is reached? You can't go any better than real. It's all just gonna grind to a halt. Faster graphics cards? no need. Better engines? why? all the games run the same.
There's gotta be a limit to how far all these graphical shenanigans can go - man I will be relieved when I don't have to upgrade anymore.

it will move to 3d i expect, and virtual reality, then maybe we can stop upgrading but i doubt it very much

i cant wait for the game inwhich u live the life of a normal person and it feels real!
jk

 

[blahblahblah]

There's a lot of talk about wanting photo realism in graphics.
but... what happens when that level is reached? You can't go any better than real. It's all just gonna grind to a halt. Faster graphics cards? no need. Better engines? why? all the games run the same.
There's gotta be a limit to how far all these graphical shenanigans can go - man I will be relieved when I don't have to upgrade anymore.

What's funny is that we pretty much have photo realism in games. A game back in 1998 could not even begin to approximate reality. A game in 2004 can.

In terms of features, game developers pretty much have all of the tools they need (through DX 9) to do anything they want graphically. Make no mistake, the DX 9 render for HL2 only begins to touch the power of DX 9. DX 9 has a lot of features that still haven't been used yet. In the upcoming future, we have DX 10 which should eliminate most of the problems with DX 9. On a pure potential feature set, we are pretty much there.

However, graphics cards always lag behind DX by 1 or 2 generations. Graphics cards support so many features, but more often than not, they don't have the processing power to do it yet. I truely think that the latest cards from Nvidia and ATI are the first cards that are powerful enough to start to use the potential for DX 9.

We are just a ways off with games too. The most technologically advanced game out there right now is Doom 3. Doom 3 is the first game to fully use the DX 7 feature path. Doom 3 barely uses any features that are possible with DX 8 and DX 9. When you consider that, if a game comes along fully using DX 9 and appropriate hardware, it is pretty darn close to photo realism.

For all intents and purposes, we pretty much have reached photo realism. We just need games and hardware to catch up for a little bit. We no longer have human enemies with square necks, barrels that can't move, or lights that don't swing.

Carmack did a spiel about this saying that this biggest problem right now is creating art assets (like textures and models) than creating an engine. To create a photo realistic world requires a scary amount of detail. Which means that they have to spend more money on artists creating textures and stuff which increases developement time and cost.

 

[Arno]

Nice post, Blahblahblah. Very informative! :thumbs:

I believe Carmack also said that assets should be reused as much as possible, to reduce development time. I wouldn't be surprised if I see some familiar fire extinguisher or coke can in a future Doom3 engine game.

 

[Asuka]

Ive heard alot about HL2, And i cant wait, I see all of you have been watching the bink videos and looking at screenshots of HL2, But what i have done, and i think was a very good idea, was Kept myself away from anything HL2 related, i have not seen any videos/binks or any of the sort related to hl2, But occasionally the screenshot just pops out at me here or there, The reason i did this Was to keep HL2's Graphics More STUNNING the first time i play the game, And i think that Hl2 will be alot more thrilling for me than for you, Because you gave into the "Hype" And now its gone, That means when It really comes, you will look at the graphics and go: Cool!!

But for me, well im going to go OMG OMG OMG OMG COOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And probably faint.

Please discuss about what you think on this topic.

Not true for me it just adds to the "Hype". Gets me even more pumped up.

 

[sk8dresher]

the freedom in this game is wut is going to make it awsome

 

[alan8325]

Carmack did a spiel about this saying that this biggest problem right now is creating art assets (like textures and models) than creating an engine. To create a photo realistic world requires a scary amount of detail. Which means that they have to spend more money on artists creating textures and stuff which increases developement time and cost.

A while back there was an e-mail from Valve that said that they were working on an image-based rendering technology that did not make it into HL2 but may be added into the engine later. I'm not too sure what this is exactly but I read a brief article on it once and have a vague understanding on what it means. Perhaps this will help speed up the process of creating all the textures and other art assets in addition to making them look better.

 

[TheHitman5]

I dont think the graphics are as good as Far Cry or Doom 3, but they are deff great. Everything just seems so flat in HL2...

 

[Burn]

Personally.. I think the source engi is nicer, this is my personally pref (after playing CSS) I like them both, D3's and Hl2's, but D3s looked abit..er.. I cant explain it. All I know is that I like it more.

Im sure spec wize the D3 engi is much better, I guess, but that does'nt make me like it anymore.

 

[TheHitman5]

Personally.. I think the source engi is nicer, this is my personally pref (after playing CSS) I like them both, D3's and Hl2's, but D3s looked abit..er.. I cant explain it. All I know is that I like it more.

Im sure spec wize the D3 engi is much better, I guess, but that does'nt make me like it anymore.

I know what you mean, but the Doom 3 engine is VERY good with lighting/shadows with low end systems and STILL looks good. The difference between medium and ultra is not very noticable IMO. I played Doom 3 on high the whole time though, my 9800p handled it quiet well It didnt use high res textures though, instead it just bump mapped low res textures. HL2 is going to be using very hi res textures AND bump mapping, it should turn out quiet nicely.

 

[lans]

Personally.. I think the source engi is nicer, this is my personally pref (after playing CSS) I like them both, D3's and Hl2's, but D3s looked abit..er.. I cant explain it. All I know is that I like it more.

Im sure spec wize the D3 engi is much better, I guess, but that does'nt make me like it anymore.

Agreed.

I love Doom 3's graphics overall, but Half-life 2 has the more original art direction, IMO. East europe, vast locales, gritty run-down buildings, propaganda posters. Same is true with STALKER's art direction - I love it!

Of course, Doom 3 is a remake, and it definately is succesful at being one, however I'm not into the "grey dungeon - calustrophobic corridors", any more.