Halflife 2 has lost the revolution

[MrD]

I would still be playing it - i dunt even really like CS and I was just playing HL a few minutes ago to pass the time waiting for HL2 and it was more fun than any game that has recently come out. Ive played through the entire half-life like 5 times now and its STILL FUN!! I mean thats amazing!
LOL - 5 years later and Ill still be having fun playing half-life 2 waiting for half-life 3!!

Yup, i agree!

I don't play multiplayer at all, and HL is still the game that sucked me in the most. Whether HL2 can do that remains to be seen, but i'm fairly optimistic...

And all this D3 vs HL2 graphics stuff. I don't know why people assume D3 looks universally so much better than HL2. In my eyes it's the other way round. I'm sorry but i just don't get turned on by black. I prefer pretty colours! I understand that's not the same for everyone, but therein lies exactly my point.

 

[lans]

Half Life 1 wasnt even all that revolutionary. People just go banannas over it because it has been around for so many years thanks to counterstrike. The game wasnt that massivly good. If it wasnt for counterstrike Half Life one would be exactly the same as any other game of the past. Noone would still be playing it 5 years later.

If you played the game in 1998, you'd never be saying that. I assume you are saying this - after playing HL sometime after that (in 2000/2001) when a whole lot of games came inspired by HL's ideas. The fact is HL was the best product (or killer app) at it's time. NO competition at all in the PC world (I'm talking about 1998).

What he's trying to say, since that Valve showed off so much of the game, there won't be that many surprises and quite frankly He's kind of right. They probably showed us at lease half the game. Look how many different levels are showed throughout the videos. I do think this game will still be a revolution though. Everything is leading to it. Valve has done so much with the Source Engine and they are going to keep adding to the Valve product list. Things like:

Half-Life 2
Half-Life: Source
Counter-Strike: Source
Day Of Defeat: Source
Team Fortress 2
-Valve stated that there will be expansions to the game.
-Valve stated that there will be a Half-Life 3
-Many more that we know about and don't know about.

The Source Engine is supposely worlds beyond the Hammer engine in both graphics, ease of use, and abilities. Believe it or not, Steam is getting pretty good and if they port the rest of their products like Blue Shift and Gunman Chronicles over then everything should work out fine there. I wish there was a Gunman Chronicles 2. Every game that has suppose to have been a revolution came out with something big missing. Doom 3 is was the lack of innovative gameplay, Far Cry is was the lack of story and some other little stuff. Though those are awesome games, they are not revolutionary. From what I can conclude from the videos and pics of Half-Life 2, they will have all the desired features and then some. Valve is doing some amazing things with the Havok 2 physics engine which I believe adds a whole new experience to gaming. Valve is smart. They know how to markey their products and keep people interested. I think they never intended to release Half-Life 2 last year, but rather wanted to get people excited about the game. They stated that they though the game was stable enough, but even around E3 2004 they said they where still working on fixing bugs and it doesn't take a whole year to fix a few bugs that they missed. None the less I think the world of gaming can finally get their next revolution in Gaming!

-Half-Life 2-

So you are trying to say that 40 minutes of footage (combined from E3 2003/2004) is half of the game that we've seen. :hmph:

In that way just ONE trailer of D3 supposedly shows us 3/4 of it, since the level design is pretty much all the same. (except hell parts which would be 1/4). :dozey:

 

[Xenome]

Half Life 1 wasnt even all that revolutionary. People just go banannas over it because it has been around for so many years thanks to counterstrike. The game wasnt that massivly good. If it wasnt for counterstrike Half Life one would be exactly the same as any other game of the past. Noone would still be playing it 5 years later.

Saying that half-life 1 wasn't revolutionary is PURE Bullshit..

Half-life, for the first time in gaming, offered gameplay that makes you do other things then just shoot, shoot, shoot.

It offered a storyline integrated in gameplay, it offered excellent AI, superb graphics for it's time, etc.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

I agree, i'm surprised to see that opinion. Half-Life 1 was a goddamn gift from god in a time of extreme shitness. If you'd played through it a couple of years after it's release then the 'hohum' opinion is understandable. But the vast majority of people who played it when it was released in 1998 would tell you it was pant-creamingly-good.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I'm expecting HL2 to have great AI and Physics that are far superior to what other games can offer. Everything I've seen so far points in that direction.

I think Half-Life 2 will be revolutionary because it will shove the FPS design emphasis back onto gameplay (using AI and Physics), unseating the current emphasis on shiney graphics.

 

[jonnyapps]

I'm expecting HL2 to have great AI and Physics that are far superior to what other games can offer. Everything I've seen so far points in that direction.

I think Half-Life 2 will be revolutionary because it will shove the FPS design emphasis back onto gameplay (using AI and Physics), unseating the current emphasis on shiney graphics.

^^^--what he said

 

[Crusader]

I just think HL2 has realistic, subtle graphics. And a lot of young gamers can't get their head round that. They don't want something to look like a wall and sub-consciously accept it as such (which is what we SHOULD be aiming for), they want something to look like a bump-map so they can say "nice bump mapping effects." In my head that is plain ridiculous.

When I watch a film like Saving Private Ryan or something, I want to think "wow look at those soldiers running up the beach with bullets whizzing round them!" Not: "those costumes are nice, and that's a good tracer effect they have put in there."

Unfortunately many gamers don't enjoy believable graphics, then enjoy shiny fake graphics, and that's just something I am going to have to live with software companies catering for until computer games mature as an entertainment medium.

 

[EVIL]

i would say i was speculating not judging. There's nothing definite in my posts.

And I'm not saying it's overhyped and that people have got so excited they can only be disappointed. I'm saying things have been revealed to us over an entire year of media being released which no longer makes their content revolutionary.

STILL I'M NOT BEING PESSIMISTIC OR SAYING THE GAME WILL BE NO GOOD.

LOL, THAT is judging.. you are judging that the game wont be revolutionary because they have showed content to keep the fanbase. If you delay a year then you must release content to keep the fans happy. And to my feeling they havent revealed anything yet. not even 1%

 

[Ruben]

Guys, i've been with everyone else from the offset regarding my desire for hl2 screenies, vids etc. but now that it's been so long and on the most part valve have been so good at satisfying our urges I kinda feel like they've lost themselves the revolution.

There's been so much delving into this game, so much time has lead to so much scrutiny from the fanbase that I feel like I know this game better than some I've played the whole way through.

I desire this game more than any other and have no doubt that it will be amazing but i feel that unless valve have kept 90% of what we can expect under wraps that this game has lost its revolutionary edge. I guess I'm referring to the WOW FACTOR. i'm not sure we're gonna still get as many 'wow games can do that?!' comments as we should.

Don't flame me, don't get me wrong, i'm an hl2 fanboy to my grave. i just, meh. Bring on Hl2. Make me eat my words. It probably will. Gabe's the best and so's his team.

I understand what you mean. I dont care too much for HL2 now... well i do, somewhat, i just want the damn thing to come out! Its gone from "YEY the game is coming soon!!!" To "Got dammnit asshole Valve... release the damn game!!!" All of this because they said it was coming september 13th 2003 and its soon one year ago!!! The delay is partly because the source code was stolen... they say. That is a little dodgy.. a little ho` hum if you will. One year to fix up te source code? If the game was nearly finished one year ago!

Yeah i know... the dont have an obligation to release the game and they dont owe us anything and bla bla bla... i know that. But a writer never goes around and tells everyone that he writes a book... He writes the book and releases it!

A musician does not go around ranting about songs he is creating, showing little sections of it... he writes them and releases them! See what i mean?
All this HYPE and delay after delay has ... made me tired. I still want the game, i just think that all the hype, that i was a part of, came to some kind of climax ... and then theres no orgasm. Just air. ... vacuum. And i have myself to blame for this, and Valve have themselves to blame for things too! ... remember the hottest GFX card that was going to be bundled with HL2? the 9800XT? That was the hottest back then ... its medium now. Its not high end GFX card anymore. Its X800 Xt card thats the hottest now, it lost the revolution.

So ... i should have just forgot about HL2 a year a go, found myself a life and then get pleased and surprised when the game is out. But now... i have waited for that orgasm for a year and ... i cant get any. Im impotent! I need medication and im old. Viagra!!! HL 2 should have come out 1 year ago. I fear that when the game comes out its going to be ... impotent.

 

[lans]

I agree, i'm surprised to see that opinion. Half-Life 1 was a goddamn gift from god in a time of extreme shitness. If you'd played through it a couple of years after it's release then the 'hohum' opinion is understandable. But the vast majority of people who played it when it was released in 1998 would tell you it was pant-creamingly-good.

Exactly.

I played the game when it was fresh (1998) and it totally blew me away. Most of my friends said that it's gameplay was "not better than halo" or "nolf/ Far cry was more immersive" e.t.c. (and how it's graphics suck)

The fact is most of these people played it around 2000 - 2004 when more games inspired by it were in the market and HL was already 4 - 6 years old. But at it's time it was the best thing. It started the DAMN "get into the game" concept.

 

[urseus]

If you played the game in 1998, you'd never be saying that. I assume you are saying this - after playing HL sometime after that (in 2000/2001) when a whole lot of games came inspired by HL's ideas. The fact is HL was the best product (or killer app) at it's time. NO competition at all in the PC world (I'm talking about 1998).

No no, i played it at the time. I mean, i loved it, its a great game. But people always talk about it like it was the first video game in history or something. The story isnt all that massivly good. Aliens. Government. Shooting. Its not like Shawshank Redemption or something with a really compelling and engrossing storyline worthy of a Puliszer prize as people go on about. If it wernt for the mods, the game would just be "man that game was awsome, i havent seen or heard anything about it for like 4 years. I think ill give it a run through for memorys sake."

 

[Mr-Fusion]

The premise of the story always sounds bland, but it was the things you experienced as you played through the game that made it amazing. It was so immerisive and different to anything that we'd played through before it was cause for the label "revolutionary".

I wouldn't be on this forum if i hadn't had that experience with HL1. It'd just be "another fps game" to me. But it's not, i know what Valve did and i'm hoping to god they do it again.

 

[me2you1]

Nothing can beat quake 3. That game had the most original story I have ever experianced. And a whole 40 minutes?! that was insane?!?!one!11one

 

[Smawg]

You fools are all going to hell! fine, if thats the way you see it, don't play half life 2. why don't you just keep thinking these things, so i can get a copy at the store before they all sold out. lmao, keep losing your minds please. this game is gonna blow you away so hard, its gonna knock the underwear off of you with your pants still on.

actually i have a better idea. please attempt to get laid, go spend 50 bucks on a whore or something... please. have you forgotten the pleasures of life??? You all are going to start seeing 2 dimensional!!!

 

[Dougy]

i gotta admit, i never liked Hl.

i didnt read anything about it at all before i played it, and without being fead the "omg this game is great" hype i saw it as Average.

No doubt i will now be bombarded by 15 year olds who will somehow link me to doom 3 and condemn my words as D3 fanboyism....

meh. whatever helps them sleep at night.

 

[mchammer75040]

The premise of the story always sounds bland, but it was the things you experienced as you played through the game that made it amazing. It was so immerisive and different to anything that we'd played through before it was cause for the label "revolutionary".

I wouldn't be on this forum if i hadn't had that experience with HL1. It'd just be "another fps game" to me. But it's not, i know what Valve did and i'm hoping to god they do it again.

Yea I agree with you whole heartedly man. I loved how I didnt just sit in the cutscrenes they happened to me, you were directly affected by them so you never felt like you were outside the game looking in. It was a constant stream of challenging and suprising situations that kept me coming back.

What really gets me hyped about hl2 is the fact that if hl1 was so great with only 20-30 people on the team and only 2 years to develop the game..what can they turn out with 70 people and 6 years??? I cant wait! :bounce:

 

[me2you1]

I guess no one liked quake 3 the way I did, so much better than Q2. Especially with that new 3d symbol, phew.

 

[stanr]

You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.

...

The revolution will not be right back after a message
About a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver's seat.

The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.

Half-Life 2 is Coming.

Stan R.

 

[stanr]

Apologies to Gil Scott Heron for applying his poetry to the Combine.

Stan R.