Halo, A Half Life 2 Modification

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Hey, as everyone knows, Halo 2 is coming out. I was discussing with a friend how much half life is superior to halo and then said something fantasic.
"Half life 2 is so awesome that if it wanted to, it could emulate Halo 2 completely and even improve upon it." I was shocked to as how good of an idea that actually was. I love Halo, and probably will grow to love Halo 2 and Half Life is nothing more than my savior. Is there a possibility of seeing a Halo-like mod for HL2? Its a great idea, I think. I'd like to have someone point me in the right direction of some info if its currently being done, or a mod that plans to be halo-like. If there is no developing of a mod like that, than maybe we could get some talented humans together and get to work.
I hope you guys think this is a good idea, I am very much excited of just the thought of it.
 
this goes into Other games & mod forum.
 
oh, I''m sorry, please do which ya have to do. I'm not sure how to move it.
 
Great idea.

I'm sure if all the people who made those VS. threads put as much time into a mod they could make the next Counter-Strike; in Halo form.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the copyright issues make it impossible?
 
MetalliMyers said:
Wanna-be moderator
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Actually, no...
edit: i want to make sure people dont make a mistake twice..
in this case.. posting in wrong forum.. keeping this one clean.

( damn im such a 'mod' whore ;) )
 
She, it seems your closely watching my post. I thought I was watchin it close and you beat me to the reply.
I also thought of copyright issues and just thought that simply changing the name, and a few "definite" halo things... like guns and stuff like that, that it'd be okay. Could be wrong...
 
Halo and Half Life couldn't be more apart, with the exception of being an FPS.
People reckon Halo is just stomping on HL's toes, trying to be number one but lets face facts: Bungie is business. Business that aims to succeed. I don't hold that against companies.

But anyhow, storywise, and engine wise. Halo and Half Life 2 are so very different.
Halo lacks in scientific elements, like Half Life lacks in religious Alien cults.

Regardless, I think Halo and Half Life should stay apart. I don't hear people saying "Hey, if Capcom made a Breath of Fire game using Final Fantasy X's engine, it'd be even cooler."
 
InnerDemon said:
Halo and Half Life couldn't be more apart, with the exception of being an FPS.
People reckon Halo is just stomping on HL's toes, trying to be number one but lets face facts: Bungie is business. Business that aims to succeed. I don't hold that against companies.

But anyhow, storywise, and engine wise. Halo and Half Life 2 are so very different.
Halo lacks in scientific elements, like Half Life lacks in religious Alien cults.

Regardless, I think Halo and Half Life should stay apart. I don't hear people saying "Hey, if Capcom made a Breath of Fire game using Final Fantasy X's engine, it'd be even cooler."
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The same could be said for Battlefield and Halo...but to an even greater extent..
 
I think I need to clarify, the main part of halo that I wanted half life to mod is the multiplayer, not any single player missions and so on. I can definitly see a problem with mission levels and stuff being illegal but just copying halo multiplayer style shouldn't be illegal. Engine wise I don't know what source engine can and can't do, but they're not that much different, I think it can be done.
 
Iconoclast said:
What a fantastically illegal idea!
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Eggzactly!

Edit: Multiplayer style? I really didn't think Halo had any unique multiplayer style(unless you mean how customization-friendly it was). Something that's very alike it will probably come up anyway, even if the creators didn't have Halo's multiplayer as a concept.
 
That would be a good idea. but some of the mods being made fo rhl2 now look better then halo 2 the game. :/
 
homefront is cool until you try to fly the covenant fighters in that alpha centuri map. They go all spin crazy. But yeah someone could definitally o a halo mod for halflife2
 
I like the idea of a HALO mod for HL2. but, InnerDemon is right. they should stay apart.
 
That sounds so damn cool, but we should go over to the Homefront guys and tell them to F*** Battlefield:Vietnam.... I mean they are on version 0.2 because the Battlefield engines aren't extremelly moddable plus HL2 has better graphics, easier modding and tools and can make it more realistic, and they can get great suport from VALVe...

I mean I"m looking at their stuff now, it looks cool and all and it really follows the Battlefield gameplay from what I see, so obviously it looks like all they have to code is the weapons/vehicles (?) as the class system is already in-game....

And next year they are going to have to restart it anyways as I _HIGHLY_ doubt that Battlefield:Vietnam stuff will easily port over to BF2

I just say we should convince 'em instead of trying to compete with each other.......
 
You forget who the IP belongs to. Microsoft would send its rabid lawyers straight for this mod's gullet - I very much doubt it'd last long.
No matter how many loopholes you try to find, trust me, the lawyers always beat the IP thieves back down. Not making money from a mod isn't going to cover you - it's still IP theft.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Angry Lawyer said:
You forget who the IP belongs to. Microsoft would send its rabid lawyers straight for this mod's gullet - I very much doubt it'd last long.
No matter how many loopholes you try to find, trust me, the lawyers always beat the IP thieves back down. Not making money from a mod isn't going to cover you - it's still IP theft.

-Angry Lawyer
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Method of getting around that:

Have different names for everything and different dialogue. Then have someone who is anonymous release an unnofficial "patch" over P2P and Bittorant that changes all the names and dialogue to what Halo actually has and voila.
 
homefront has several items that will probably cause some sort of cease and desist for the look and feel.

You cant steal exact ideas from games people
 
If I recall, Homefront got Permission from Bungie to create their mod.

That said however why don't you just make a multi-player halo INSPIRED mod.

That way your not constrained to what the Halo universe has. You want stuff like Exosuits? put them in!
 
Well unfortunaly HALO is already a videogame which makes any work converted to other engines without permission still IP theft. So in this case Inspired mods are still illegal because of the look and feel.

but if they have real permission more power to them, but remeber some times the developer doesnt own the rights to an IP sometime the diistributors buy the complete rights
 
well if homefront can do it, why can't we? I understand that halo and half life are two different games, but some of us don't have all the money in the world to go out and buy all these systems. I just makes sense to get best of both worlds on one system.
 
Becauseit's the law. And these laws, even though they might not seem useful to you, protect EVERYONE'S IP. Yes, yours too, if you write a novel, nobody's allowed to leech off your ideas, if you paint a picture, nobody's allowed to sell it in a clipart package without asking, and all that. Without these laws that protect the corporations, there are no laws to protect the little people. I'm sure you'd be agitated if Bungie took an idea of yours, mada passing reference to it being yours, and made lots of money out if it without asking. IP laws protect you from that.

And Homefront can do it because they asked. Send an E-mail to Bungie, and maybe they'll give their blessing. You won't get anything without asking.

-Angry Lawyer
 
johnshafft said:
Well unfortunaly HALO is already a videogame which makes any work converted to other engines without permission still IP theft. So in this case Inspired mods are still illegal because of the look and feel.

but if they have real permission more power to them, but remeber some times the developer doesnt own the rights to an IP sometime the diistributors buy the complete rights
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Not really, whats to say that your "very-bouncy-jeep" was a rip-off of Halos Warthog.

Theres nothing wrong with taking the initial ideas of something yet making something thats 10X better and with some of your own ideas in.
 
The look and feel of a game, that is perfectly legal to copy. I mean c'mon, otherwize you would have RTS's sewing RTS's, FPS's sewing FPS's. Totally seriousness...
I mean any Human Vs Alien game then therefor could sew Natural Selection.
Totally wrong.
You could create an exact duplicate of Halo on the HL2 engine as a mod with it being perfectly legal... As long as you design everything yourself(or take stuff with permission) it is perfectly legal. Don't you people know that..
 
Raziel-Jcd said:
That would be a good idea. but some of the mods being made fo rhl2 now look better then halo 2 the game. :/
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i HIGHLY doubt that. but anyway, can you tell me which mods you are talking about? i might wanna check em out
 
i dont think your understanding what the copyright is actually stopping you doing, you cant copy the characters themselves, a simple name change wont do it, you cant make your characters look the same etc.
cant use the same weapons aswell (they are fictional, owned by bungie, if they were real you could do it, but they arent.)
 
Venmoch said:
Not really, whats to say that your "very-bouncy-jeep" was a rip-off of Halos Warthog.

Theres nothing wrong with taking the initial ideas of something yet making something thats 10X better and with some of your own ideas in.
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Notice how you said that they were comparable. thats 'look and feel' its part of the ip laws. You cant use a videogames models even if they look similiar in another videogame. they came up with the design, the look, the feel of the model, thats thier IP. and they can and will defend thier rights.

what you cant do is copy something even if the model, or skin is slightly off and call it yours. Plus the stated purpose of this mod was to remake halo and not make anything better.

but you right you can look at the design the look and feel, and come up with your own improved but unique idea and that will be your IP. But again thats not what is being done here. Whats being proposed id theft of IP.

your own ideas = good
using somebody elses property with out permission = Bad
 
Iconoclast said:
What a fantastically illegal idea!
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what a fantastically obvious, stupid, and unimaginative idea, atypical of your average 13 year old game designer/moron.
 
I'm sure a Halo related mod will come out at some point. I will probably give it a DL if people play it and I find it enjoyable :). But i'm almost positive that they're will be a Halo'esque hl2 modification because of the sheer amount of Halo players they're are out there. And how diverse mods have been so-far, think of how many mods are already in development, of-course a Halo mod will roll around at some point.. at least I would think/hope. But Microsoft would probably take legal action pretty quickly if they foud out (and the mod broke copyright laws and didn't change enough etc).. but I sincerily doubt Bungie would care that much, they are nice laidback guys. But MS is a money hoarding powerhouse, all they're base are belong to you so yes they would sue over a Halo related mod. In fact i'm surprised homefront has been left alone, but I guess the bf mod scene isint quite as big as the HL/HL2 mod scene and the mod takes steps to make sure it has differences as to not get they're asses sued.
 
Shampoo, you're damn right, the Microsoft Lawyers would fall on the mod like an avalanche, and the mod members would be powerless. Like a tribe of villagers at the bottom of a volcano, all screaming as a lahar rushes over them, spoils their crops, and just generally getting 'pwned'.

-Angry Lawyer
 
If you made a mod very much in the style of Halo, but you did it as a parody, it'd be legal. The only difference between that and a serious Halo mod really would be dialogue and maybe a few visual gags.
 
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