Halo story

[DEATHMASTER]

You know, credit needs to be given where it's due, and the one guy in Halo that isn't given it is the one we only know as "heretic leader" without him, the elites wouldn't've rebelled, affecting the whole outcome of the story. As for ambiguousness I wonder why the grunts were on your side when the civil war started and were enemies in Halo 3. Same with the hunters for that matter. I hope a novel can clarify it, that's the way it is for the most part. Kinda glad they let people who know how to make a sci-fi story take care of most of that part.

 

[AciD]

I won't post about plot halo here since I am one of the biggest "lovers" of Halo out here.

 

[Narvi]

The grunts aren't a monolithic faction. They have subfactions, meaning they fought on both sides of the war.

 

[Absinthe]

The grunts aren't a monolithic faction. They have subfactions, meaning they fought on both sides of the war.

Yes, but... there were none of them on your side in Halo 3. It just seems odd having portrayed these factions as splitting both ways, but never display that in-game. Especially since it was done in the first sequel.

All in all, I gotta say that Halo 3's story left a lot to be desired. The Gravemind was still a poor choice for a Flood figurehead, if it even needed one. References to Cortana's "rampancy" got me excited, but it amounted to little more than inane babblings that I got sick of listening to early on.

Get some new writers.

 

[Cerpin]

Maybe they ran out of grunts.

 

[Deleted member 56031]

Maybe they all died.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

Maybe they all died.

The best explanation ever ;(

 

[cctoide]

One thing I've been wondering about is the following...

I was trying out Halo 2 (PC version) some time ago and at one point I realized I was fighting an onslaught of Flood but had no idea why. I couldn't recall the last time I had an objective given to me, I just kind of went from room to room killing stuff.

Now, is it just because I'm way more familiar with the Half-Life backstory (although I know a lot about the Halo world, too), or is HL better at letting you know exactly why you're doing what you are?

 

[Narvi]

No, that would be because of the atrocious level design and mindless combat.

 

[Cormeh]

No, that would be because of the atrocious level design and mindless combat.

Well **** me, that never took long.

I don't think that having Hunters or Grunts back you up would have really made much of a difference to H3 mind you, the Elites were just about enough with the constant "WE ARE ALLIES" whenever they were stupid enough to wander into my line of sight.

Saying that, I'd prefer Grunts over marines anyday.

 

[Cerpin]

One thing I've been wondering about is the following...

I was trying out Halo 2 (PC version) some time ago and at one point I realized I was fighting an onslaught of Flood but had no idea why. I couldn't recall the last time I had an objective given to me, I just kind of went from room to room killing stuff.

Now, is it just because I'm way more familiar with the Half-Life backstory (although I know a lot about the Halo world, too), or is HL better at letting you know exactly why you're doing what you are?

The Halo games all assume you know every bit of back-story from previous games and novels/comic books/????.

 

[Emporius]

The Halo games all assume you know every bit of back-story from previous games and novels/comic books/????.

Which I do! HAHAHAHA!

 

[Narvi]

Why did they kill off Johnson again? It seemed to be killing him off for the sake of killing him off. Like that Keyes chick.

 

[Stigmata]

According to something I read a while ago, the only reason the first Halo was any good and made any sense at all was because of a guy named Alex Seropian, who left after Halo was finished to head/found Wideload Games, the guys who made Stubbs the Zombie.

 

[Asknoone]

The deaths in Halo 3 served no actual purpose or real story value. It reeked of "final act, people need to die." Very poor. There's no denying that the Halo storyline is really not that good at all.

 

[Sparta]

the first game was good though

 

[DreamThrall]

Halo story

lol :|

 

[Asknoone]

the first game was good though

It was at that.

 

[Cormeh]

I think Halo from an outsider POV (my POV at the time of Halo's release) had a good premise, but lacked (lacks) character integrity.

 

[CptStern]

Halo has a story? ..no ...really? someone want to tell me because I've played all 3 games and I dont know what the hell is going on ..ok so there's a ring in space and some arbiter dude ..that's all I know

 

[Deleted member 56031]

The halo story was decent if you read te books and stuff from what Ive heard. I've not read them but games alone the story ain't great.

 

[Narvi]

I've read the books and everything. I'm a fan. I read forum posts about the story.

And the story still doesn't make any ****ing sense. Hey, let's keep samples of our terrible galaxy-devouring beings safe from our suicidally powerful superweapons by stashing them inside the suicidally powerful superweapons. Yeah. That'll work.

Forerunner idiots.

 

[Deleted member 56031]

Yeah I always that idea was ****ing stupid.

 

[Adabiviak]

...like we do at the CDC (somewhere here and in Russia)? Smallpox might not drop a galaxy, but it sure tore up the new world.

 

[Narvi]

To be honest even if you knew the backstory the plot of the third game sucked.

Here's how shit should have gone down.

Spoiler

Master Chief: I'm the Master Chief. Look how awesome I am as I dive from orbit onto the ground and survive. In a scene totally ripped off from the books btw. You know when I rode the bomb in Halo 2? Yeah, that was from the books too, except I didn't do it alone in a fit of wankery.

Prophet of Truth: Hey, I'm like all megalomaniacal and frothy fundy now for no reason, despite having been a restrained, thoughtful villain in Halo 2. Hey, fundy speech time! TAKE MY PLASMA BEAMS HUMANS!

Good Elites: PEW PEW PEW TAKE THAT GROUND FLOOD. WE ARE IN SPACE, OWNING YOUR BASE.

Player: Well, that's all we're going to hear about the Covenant Civil War! Let's go into the Ark! You know, that thing that was so mysterious in the second game, but, wait, everybody seems to know about it already in this game for some reason! Oh, so that's what it is. It's an edifice to the marvels of a civilization which conquered galaxies. Cool. Let's go blow it up.

Miranda Keyes: *dies*

Players: *don't give a *****

Cortana: Hey, you know the whole foreshadowing of me slowly turning crazy and twisted? Well, guess again! I'm back and as perky as ever, just because the Chief rescued me! Isn't he dreamy?

Gravemind: *vague threats sin blah blah blah*

Master Chief and Elite Guy: Okay, time to blow up this installation, defeat the last of the Flood, and save the universe!

343 Guilty Spark: Not without a final epic tacked-on boss battle you won't! Insane betrayal! PEW PEW.

Johnson: Wouldn't want you to not have a heroic sacrifice and character death you actually care about! "Ahem". NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! TAKE MY LASER BEAM GIANT INVINCIBLE GOLDFISH BOWL!

343 Guilty Spark: You cracked my casing? Wait. Didn't this take a nuke to the face in the first game? Why is your piddly laser hurting me?

Johnson: You could have teleported out before the Pillar exploded...

343 Guilty Spark: Ah, yes, very plausible. You're going to die now, you realize. PEWWWWWWWWW.

Johnson: AAAAAAAAAAARGH.

Player/Master Chief: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. The cigar chomping sarge can't die! Take this, goldfish bowl!

BAM BAM BAM.

343 Guilty Spark: Oh, ****, I die. Here, have some plot info. Humanity are really the forerunners. Or maybe the forerunner's descendants. Not very clear about tha -*EXPLODES*

Gravemind: *is **** nowhere for the entire fight*

Johnson: *hands Cortana over* Meaningful final words! Never let her go! I saw C-beams at Tannhauser gate! Now go!

Players/Master Chief/Elite Guy: OH SHIT EVERYTHING'S BLOWING UP LET'S GET OUT OF HERE IN A CHASE LEVEL REMINISCENT OF THE LAST LEVEL OF THE FIRST GAME.

*awesome epic cutscene where they just make it*

Everybody: WOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Wait, Johnson is dead. Woooooooooo?

*final cutscene*

Everybody: Wait... the Chief's dead... but... I... won... oh, everybody just thinks he's dead. Yay?

Elite Guy: Elite Guy Go Home.

Everybody: Yeah, we don't care. You lost all your awesome character between games. Screw off.

HOW IT SHOULD HAVE GONE DOWN:
Gravemind: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH. I CONTROL THE CONTROL ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

Gravemind: WATCH AS I ASCEND INTO MY TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUE FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORM.

Master Chief/Players: That's an impressive true form, capable of shattering armies. No doubt this form is how you managed to face and destroy a super-powerful Forerunner race, and prior incarnations were actually lesser disregarded forms which were thought to be safe for study. It's not much, but it's a plot plaster over a huge...

Gravemind: *Grabs Johnson and uses superpowers to turn him into Zombie Johnson, superpowerful superguy."

Master Chief: OH NOES! I must now face my only (srsly, everyone else I know is dead) friend in epic combat as he is now evil! But he is indestructible! I must use the environment against him to defeat this new, stronger, zombie Johnson! Or alternately hold him off while I apply Index to Control Room to blow shit up! What emotional depth this game has!

Johnson: Destroy me chief! It's the only way!

Master Chief/Players (weeping): NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. BAM BAM BAM BAM.

Johnson, falling as Flood infestation falls away from his broken body: *more meaningful last words*

Master Chief/Players: *bawls*

*ending plays out like before, because that was my biggest beef with it*

...like we do at the CDC (somewhere here and in Russia)? Smallpox might not drop a galaxy, but it sure tore up the new world.

Oh sure, smallpox is a sentient virus that is capable of eventually subverting and defeating all our laboratory defenses against it. And smallpox managed to destroy the world. Oh wait. It didn't.

 

[Tyguy]

I dont know why people praise halo 1. Its full of re-used architecture and its really not that much fun. Big deal, you have a pistol...

 

[Deleted member 56031]

I always thought smallpox was credited as the virus that was FULLY eradicated though not kept in petri dishes in labs :|

actually I never thought of that before how does GS 343 survive a nuclear explosion but killed by a laser?

Also is it just me or did anyone else think cortana had the hawts for MC? I mean she is an AI she should know that it's a nono.

 

[Reginald]

To be honest even if you knew the backstory the plot of the third game sucked.

Here's how shit should have gone down.

Spoiler

Master Chief: I'm the Master Chief. Look how awesome I am as I dive from orbit onto the ground and survive. In a scene totally ripped off from the books btw. You know when I rode the bomb in Halo 2? Yeah, that was from the books too, except I didn't do it alone in a fit of wankery.

Prophet of Truth: Hey, I'm like all megalomaniacal and frothy fundy now for no reason, despite having been a restrained, thoughtful villain in Halo 2. Hey, fundy speech time! TAKE MY PLASMA BEAMS HUMANS!

Good Elites: PEW PEW PEW TAKE THAT GROUND FLOOD. WE ARE IN SPACE, OWNING YOUR BASE.

Player: Well, that's all we're going to hear about the Covenant Civil War! Let's go into the Ark! You know, that thing that was so mysterious in the second game, but, wait, everybody seems to know about it already in this game for some reason! Oh, so that's what it is. It's an edifice to the marvels of a civilization which conquered galaxies. Cool. Let's go blow it up.

Miranda Keyes: *dies*

Players: *don't give a *****

Cortana: Hey, you know the whole foreshadowing of me slowly turning crazy and twisted? Well, guess again! I'm back and as perky as ever, just because the Chief rescued me! Isn't he dreamy?

Gravemind: *vague threats sin blah blah blah*

Master Chief and Elite Guy: Okay, time to blow up this installation, defeat the last of the Flood, and save the universe!

343 Guilty Spark: Not without a final epic tacked-on boss battle you won't! Insane betrayal! PEW PEW.

Johnson: Wouldn't want you to not have a heroic sacrifice and character death you actually care about! "Ahem". NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! TAKE MY LASER BEAM GIANT INVINCIBLE GOLDFISH BOWL!

343 Guilty Spark: You cracked my casing? Wait. Didn't this take a nuke to the face in the first game? Why is your piddly laser hurting me?

Johnson: You could have teleported out before the Pillar exploded...

343 Guilty Spark: Ah, yes, very plausible. You're going to die now, you realize. PEWWWWWWWWW.

Johnson: AAAAAAAAAAARGH.

Player/Master Chief: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. The cigar chomping sarge can't die! Take this, goldfish bowl!

BAM BAM BAM.

343 Guilty Spark: Oh, ****, I die. Here, have some plot info. Humanity are really the forerunners. Or maybe the forerunner's descendants. Not very clear about tha -*EXPLODES*

Gravemind: *is **** nowhere for the entire fight*

Johnson: *hands Cortana over* Meaningful final words! Never let her go! I saw C-beams at Tannhauser gate! Now go!

Players/Master Chief/Elite Guy: OH SHIT EVERYTHING'S BLOWING UP LET'S GET OUT OF HERE IN A CHASE LEVEL REMINISCENT OF THE LAST LEVEL OF THE FIRST GAME.

*awesome epic cutscene where they just make it*

Everybody: WOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Wait, Johnson is dead. Woooooooooo?

*final cutscene*

Everybody: Wait... the Chief's dead... but... I... won... oh, everybody just thinks he's dead. Yay?

Elite Guy: Elite Guy Go Home.

Everybody: Yeah, we don't care. You lost all your awesome character between games. Screw off.

HOW IT SHOULD HAVE GONE DOWN:
Gravemind: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH. I CONTROL THE CONTROL ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

Gravemind: WATCH AS I ASCEND INTO MY TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUE FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORM.

Master Chief/Players: That's an impressive true form, capable of shattering armies. No doubt this form is how you managed to face and destroy a super-powerful Forerunner race, and prior incarnations were actually lesser disregarded forms which were thought to be safe for study. It's not much, but it's a plot plaster over a huge...

Gravemind: *Grabs Johnson and uses superpowers to turn him into Zombie Johnson, superpowerful superguy."

Master Chief: OH NOES! I must now face my only (srsly, everyone else I know is dead) friend in epic combat as he is now evil! But he is indestructible! I must use the environment against him to defeat this new, stronger, zombie Johnson! Or alternately hold him off while I apply Index to Control Room to blow shit up! What emotional depth this game has!

Johnson: Destroy me chief! It's the only way!

Master Chief/Players (weeping): NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. BAM BAM BAM BAM.

Johnson, falling as Flood infestation falls away from his broken body: *more meaningful last words*

Master Chief/Players: *bawls*

*ending plays out like before, because that was my biggest beef with it*

Oh sure, smallpox is a sentient virus that is capable of eventually subverting and defeating all our laboratory defenses against it. And smallpox managed to destroy the world. Oh wait. It didn't.

I ****ing lol'd even though I never played the last game. Or haven't yet. Not sure I want to.

Also is it just me or did anyone else think cortana had the hawts for MC? I mean she is an AI she should know that it's a nono.

It's cause Master Chef's a robot too.

Haha. I can say funny things to try and piss off Halo fanboys. LOL

 

[Emporius]

Halo has one of the greatest story lines ever created. Unfortunately most of this is in the books and back ground the knowledge, and the last two games had trouble conveying the story, especially the third.

Hey, let's keep samples of our terrible galaxy-devouring beings safe from our suicidally powerful superweapons by stashing them inside the suicidally powerful superweapons. Yeah. That'll work.

It is rumored that the forerunners created the flood, and that's why there are containment facilities on the installations. And they wouldn't be safe from Halo's blast on Halo, that's like saying one will survive an atomic blast by standing in Ground Zero.

 

[Deleted member 56031]

And they wouldn't be safe from Halo's blast on Halo, that's like saying one will survive an atomic blast by standing in Ground Zero.

Then how did the flood survive the first firing of the rings?

 

[Emporius]

Then how did the flood survive the first firing of the rings?

Well either two things.

1) There was something I remember about the rings not actually destroying the flood, but rather wiping out lifeforms with a high concentration of calcium, which the flood use as hosts.

2) they could have infested a shield world

 

[Asknoone]

Halo has one of the greatest story lines ever created.

Hehe, no.

 

[Emporius]

Hehe, no.

compelling argument

/slowclap

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

According to something I read a while ago, the only reason the first Halo was any good and made any sense at all was because of a guy named Alex Seropian, who left after Halo was finished to head/found Wideload Games, the guys who made Stubbs the Zombie.

God I love Stubbs, dreamiest zombie salesman ever.

I didn't understand a ****ing bit of Halo's story other than some metrosexual religous aliens trying to kill everyone with extravagantly colored weapons and ships and armor and...Lolvut.

 

[-Psy-]

Halo in one sentence.

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[Emporius]

I would go as far as to say that Halo's story is just as good as the HL series

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Then how did the flood survive the first firing of the rings?

As said before, Halo kills their food - all sentient lifeforms in the galaxy capable of sustaining the flood. In one of the books it says that while somehow the flood remained alive all those millenia in their containment areas, they had actually grown weaker than they originally were. Jenkins (the guy whose helmet chief saw the flood for the first time in Halo 1 cutscene) actually had some control (he wasn't dead in that cutscene, just KO'd).

 

[Emporius]

Jenkins (the guy whose helmet chief saw the flood for the first time in Halo 1 cutscene) actually had some control (he wasn't dead in that cutscene, just KO'd).

I remember that. The other made him break his own arm and try to shank somebody with the jutting bone

 

[DreamThrall]

I would go as far as to say that Halo's story is just as good as the HL series

Are you shitting me?

 

[Emporius]

Are you shitting me?

You're a bit big but I think I could manage


And no, They are equally as deep and entertaining