Hay guise, we're gods now lol

We've been replicating all sorts of other life for generations now... the sentiment that cloning humanity is somehow immoral or "proud" is stupid.
 
I, for one, welcome our new human-hybrid overlords.
 
Slave labor without any moral consequences. Sweet
 
Drama -.-

We've created other hybrid species in the past, but now it's being done for short term research involving human crosses, it's teh dramaz.
 
Scientists want to create hybrid embryos by merging human cells with animal eggs in a bid to extract stem cells. The embryos would then be destroyed within 14 days.
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YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG
 
Human + Banana please.

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We've been doing this ever since we've had genetic engineering. It's not a big deal at all.

Most of what has been done so far are things like bacteria producing human insulin, and cells producing other human hormones. This is a very good thing.
 
I think I heard that these "hybrids" are just animal eggs with the animal DNA removed and replaced with human DNA. Only a tiny amount of animal DNA remains in the egg. I'll see if I can back that up.

This made me dee-colon, BTW: http://www.humananimalhybrid.net/

D:

EDIT: Here.

Scientists at King’s College London, and the University of Newcastle will inject human DNA into empty eggs from cows to create embryos known as cytoplasmic hybrids, which are 99.9 per cent human in genetic terms.
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I also found something about "chimeras" in the same search. I'm pretty sure these are different, though. They haven't been approved yet.
 
The only animal DNA in the eggs would be mitochondrial.

Which can be important though...
 
What Manner of Human Is a Half-Human Hybrid?
 
Well, perhaps I'm wrong and should rethink my Ethics.

...human life really, really isn't sacred anymore...why do I treat people so well?
 
An embryo isn't human for a good long time in the pregnancy, you know.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Cheomesh said:
Well, perhaps I'm wrong and should rethink my Ethics.

...human life really, really isn't sacred anymore...why do I treat people so well?
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Despite what the press says they aren't creating hybrids.

They're removing all genomic animal DNA from the cell and putting in human genomic DNA. The only 'animal' bits left will be some proteins and organelles, and the proteins will be replaced over time.

The only DNA in the cell which would be different from humans would be in the mitochondria. Technically you could say that even in normal cells mtDNA isn't truly human.
It'll be interesting to see how the mitochondria from different species affect the functioning of the cell.
It should be fairly well conserved between species in the mtDNA regions handling metabolism, but several other regions are important for things such as apoptosis (programmed cell death). This could even give more insight into the mitochondion's role in preventing cancer. A few genetic diseases (some types of deafness) are also linked to the mitochondrion.
 
Angry Lawyer said:
An embryo isn't human for a good long time in the pregnancy, you know.

-Angry Lawyer
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I disagree, and not because a god says so, either. However, I'd like this not to turn into that sort of argument.


I'm still not a fan of creating these things. Its almost like you're cheating it, making something so we can kill it to continue ourselves. Almost like a sacrifice...to the new gods, us.

Just seems weird.
 
Cheomesh said:
I disagree, and not because a god says so, either. However, I'd like this not to turn into that sort of argument.


I'm still not a fan of creating these things. Its almost like you're cheating it, making something so we can kill it to continue ourselves. Almost like a sacrifice...to the new gods, us.

Just seems weird.
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How is creating and killing things for scientific research new?
 
Didn't say it was new...just because we've been doing it doesn't make it right, just be cause we can doesn't mean we should.
 
Cheomesh said:
Didn't say it was new...just because we've been doing it doesn't make it right, just be cause we can doesn't mean we should.
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So progress is only worth it if there's no cost - not a single bundle of cells/non-sentient animal gets hurt?
 
Eejit said:
So progress is only worth it if there's no cost - not a single bundle of cells/non-sentient animal gets hurt?
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But what useful knowledge are we gaining out of this? Are we so afraid of death that we have to assure ourselves we can fix any problem we bring upon ourselves?
 
Cheomesh said:
But what useful knowledge are we gaining out of this? Are we so afraid of death that we have to assure ourselves we can fix any problem we bring upon ourselves?
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Are you serious? You're basically saying all biological and genetic research is worthless.

How about as well as diagnostics and treatments for various diseases which you dismiss as fear of mortality (and most of us would disagree with out there), we get GM crops which can grow better, in places where normal varieties won't. Or tailored microbes acting as biosensors or bioremediators. Expression of industrially important enzymes on a large scale.
 
Eejit said:
Are you serious? You're basically saying all biological and genetic research is worthless.
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How is questioning the usefulness of using animal eggs and human DNA downplaying the usefulness of all genetic research?
 
Eejit said:
How is creating and killing things for scientific research new?
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- All biological and genetic research involves killing animals, bacteria or sometimes stem cell colonies.
Cheomesh said:
Didn't say it was new...just because we've been doing it doesn't make it right, just be cause we can doesn't mean we should.
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Eejit said:
So progress is only worth it if there's no cost - not a single bundle of cells/non-sentient animal gets hurt?
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Cheomesh said:
But what useful knowledge are we gaining out of this? Are we so afraid of death that we have to assure ourselves we can fix any problem we bring upon ourselves?
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Eejit said:
Are you serious? You're basically saying all biological and genetic research is worthless.
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Cheomesh said:
[facepalm snip]

How is questioning the usefulness of using animal eggs and human DNA downplaying the usefulness of all genetic research?
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The discussion had moved on from this specific example a few posts ago.
 
Dude, Cheomesh.


Dude. You're dumb. Did you even read the fvcking article you worthless piece of ****ing shit. God damn.

Scientists want to create hybrid embryos by merging human cells with animal eggs in a bid to extract stem cells. The embryos would then be destroyed within 14 days.

The cells form the basic building blocks of the body and have the potential to become any tissue, making them essential for research.
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Scientists want to create hybrid embryos by merging human cells with animal eggs in a bid to extract stem cells

in a bid to extract stem cells

extract stem cells

stem cells

If you don't know what stem cell research is all aboot, GET THE **** OUT.
 
And technically they aren't merging entire cells (as in normal fertilisation) but injecting the DNA from a human cell into an animal cells which has had its native DNA removed.
 
Cheomesh seems to be thinking they're making chimeras.
 
Well, aside from furthering our theoretical and applicable knowledge of DNA recombination and stem cell research, none.

But that would be discounting a whole ****ing lot of future research and progress. :|
 
Cheomesh said:
Oh.

Hmm...

Well, I'd rather us NOT use human embryos...
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So you'd rather they be wasted?
It's not as if the scientists are kidnapping happy pregnant woman and stealing their unborn babies -.-
 
Cheomesh said:
Oh.

Hmm...

Well, I'd rather us NOT use human embryos...
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And why the fuck not? What do you think happens to the embryos when they're not used for stem cells? They live happily ever after? Of course not. They get destroyed anyway.

Thinking such embryos constitute human life should be enough to declare you clinically insane. It means you completely and utterly missed the point on what gives life value.

It doesn't make you a good person to think that human embryos deserve protection. In fact, it makes you a bad person because apparently, you think those embryos are more important than actual conscious people who have diseases like diabetes which the embryos can help cure.
 
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