HL2 does have MP...

[WaterMelon34]

:flame: !!RRRRAAANNNTTT!! :flame:

Where the hell did you people get that HL2 isn't going to have MP? Think about it. How could we make a multiplayer mod if there was no original MP to work with (Valve would not let us go through all the trouble of making a MP mod if there wasn't going to be any HL2 MP). A lot of people here are so retarded they think Valve would be so stupid as to do this and are calling everyone who says there could be MP morons. Valve said they aren't including any other GAMES with the HL2 package. Also, why would there be different boxes for HL2? They even said that they wanna keep the MP secret because it's gonna be so awesome. If the secret was CS:S that would be really stupid, Valve would have to be a bunch of immature excited children to tell everyone about the goody. Geeze, you guys need brains.


:flame: /!!RRRRAAANNNTTT!! :flame:

 

[Neutrino]

Uh, there's about 5 quintillion topics on this already, just in case you missed them. Oh and I'm one of the "stupid, retarded" people who thinks there is no HL2 MP.

 

[Rafa 5.0]

whoa calm down, everyone is entitled to their opinion, besides, how does it affect you personally if other people "think" there won't be multiplayer.... i don't get it... wtf

 

[Mr-Fusion]

No hard evidence = i don't believe it.

If Valve wants to give us some proof i'll change my mind. But i'm not going to believe something based off faith.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

WaterMelon34 ur post could have easily fit in that other thread at the top of this forum seeing as it also talks about HL2 and its MP or lack thereof.

this is really getting annoying actually.. if only pple would read and use the search feature.

 

[gunstarhero]

i think 13 post will get into this thread before it is closed. Anyone want to place bets? I mean I didn't know there was a big debate over this, I thought we already sorted all this out. Oh well

 

[iamaelephant]

They said they wanted to keep MP secret because it is so awesome? Doesn't it make more sense for them to market the hell out of it if it's so damn good?

I am of the opinion that HL2 has no original MP. Prove me wrong.

Also gunstarhero, everyone has been expressly asked not to make annoying posts like that.

 

[Sparta]

HL2 was kept a secret for almost 5 years and no one had the slightest clue about it. What makes you people think that are going to mention every detail about it, before its released.

Also Valve have said that MP is just as important as SP to them. So why would they do a half-assed effort of giving us an upgraded CS and no original HL2 themed MP at all?

Sure there's no hard evidence of it. But think of how long Valve has supported its multiplayer community. Why would they say "Ok, how about we give them something they've already been playing for five years and put it into a new engine, instead of using our creative minds and making our own MP".

 

[KingPing_NOR]

Do you people realy think we'll not get multiplayer with manitpulator?!

 

[Neutrino]

Do you people realy think we'll not get multiplayer with manitpulator?!

Sadly, yes.

But feel free to paint me purple and call me Bob if I'm wrong. But be prepared to eat your words if I'm right.

Seriously though, I just think that Valve has made it pretty clear that there isn't an HL2 specific MP component. Personally, I think that they expect the mod teams to take care of the aspect of it and don't see any need to create one with so many promising mod teams ready to do it for them.

 

[Brian Damage]

They've indicated that they'll even include CS: S with the SP version of HL2. So it seems to me that HL2's MP must be something else.

 

[Sparta]

Also it seems to me that if Valve wanted to demonstrate how easy it is to use the SDK, they would use those tools to create the HL2 MP, which is the most likely reason they are keeping it under wraps.

 

[Neutrino]

They've indicated that they'll even include CS: S with the SP version of HL2. So it seems to me that HL2's MP must be something else.

Hmm, hadn't heard of that. Do you remember where? Not doubting you at all, but just curious.

 

[Brian Damage]

Quote retrieval initiated...

 

[ShadowFox]

Not shipping HL2 with multiplayer would cause it to get murdered in reviews, and it wouldn't help sales. Valve ain't stupid. Even if it sucks, there WILL be a HL2 MP. It just makes absolutely no sense for them not to have it.

 

[KingPing_NOR]

Yes. Eventualy we'll get a HL2 MP, Either by Valve or some mod team. If not I'll those pumpkin flavored biscuits.

 

[Brian Damage]

CS-Nation: Moving to the final release, how will CS: Source be distributed? Will it be available exclusively to Half-Life 2 owners?

cliffe: Counter-Strike: Source will be included with all versions of Half-Life 2. However, we will also make it available as a stand alone purchase for those who'd prefer to purchase CS:S a la carte.

CS-Nation: Is CS: Source the only multiplayer game shipping with Half-Life 2?

cliffe: Half-Life 2 will come with CS: Source. Right now, we do not plan to include any other multiplayer games with Half-Life 2.

Notice the highlighted (by me) "all versions of Half-Life 2"?

This tells me that CS: S is coming with all versions (SP, SP+MP, and collector's) of HL2. Thus, CS: S is not HL2's MP. It also shows that even VALVe regard it as a separate game, as it will also be sold separately.

The second quote tells us that things like TFC: Source (or whatever it's called) or DoD: Source will not be inside the HL2 box.

 

[Neutrino]

Notice the highlighted (by me) "all versions of Half-Life 2"?

This tells me that CS: S is coming with all versions (SP, SP+MP, and collector's) of HL2. Thus, CS: S is not HL2's MP. It also shows that even VALVe regard it as a separate game, as it will also be sold separately.

The second quote tells us that things like TFC: Source (or whatever it's called) or DoD: Source will not be inside the HL2 box.

Ah, thank you kindly.

Call me silly, but I'm still doubting.

See, I would completely understand why they wouldn't want to give details away, but I just can't see a reason why they wouldn't tell us they did in fact have a MP aspect if they were planning on shipping one with the game. It just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, admitting the fact that there was MP could only help sales in my opinion. Personally, I kind of think that they may not have time to complete it or are afraid that they won't have time to, so don't wish to say anything about it, since they'd be critisized if they claimed to be shipping MP and then didn't finish it in time. Purely speculation on my part of course. So I guess if they weren't absolutely sure of completing a MP componont I could see why they wouldn't want to mention it. But other than that, it just makes no sense to me, as I've said. Plus, I think people are just reading too much into things. Taken at face value, a lot of the comments Valve has made plainly indicate to me that CS:S is the multiplayer. Granted, that seems to contridict your quote, Brian Damage, but I still can't help but think that Valve has actually been pretty clear on the subject otherwise.

 

[PatPwnt]

I don't get it.... Someone from valve says there won't be HL2 multiplayer on release and people still think there's going to be a multiplayer? hmm

 

[Brian Damage]

Meh, I won't call you silly. Well, okay, maybe once.

Ahem... "Silly". There.

I'm pretty sure that HL2 will have an MP facet. It'd be too weird if they didn't include one. Besides, MP seems to count for so much in reviews and suchlike these days...

As I've said before, I reckon they're giving us the runaround to get us to discuss it...

PatPwnt: Where do you get that from?

 

[Neutrino]

Meh, I won't call you silly. Well, okay, maybe once.

Ahem... "Silly". There.

I'm pretty sure that HL2 will have an MP facet. It'd be too weird if they didn't include one. Besides, MP seems to count for so much in reviews and suchlike these days...

As I've said before, I reckon they're giving us the runaround to get us to discuss it...

PatPwnt: Where do you get that from?

Definitely, part of me agrees with you that it would be quite odd if they didn't include one. Truthfully, if web fansites such hl2.net were the only people buying HL2 I'd actually fully agree with you. But I can't help thinking that the majority of people who will buy the game don't post on these sites and don't follow things nearly as much as the bunch of us do. So I think it's necessary to look at things from the point of view of the average person to buy HL2, as I think Valve would. It just seems to me that if I pretend I don't know much about HL2, don't post in forums, and just read a snipet of news here and there, I wouldn't even think their statements were ambiguous at all. I'd just assume that CS:S was the only multiplayer to ship with HL2.

As I've said all along, I may very well be wrong. But that's just my "gut" feeling of the situation. Anyway, it atleasts gives us something to discuss in these times of somewhat limited new material.

 

[Crusader]

My question is this:


If there were no HL2 multiplayer, why would Cliffe say we were reading too much into his comments by saying there were no HL2 multiplayer?

And it's predominantly his comments that started this whole conspiracy theory (I've changed my mind a number of times so far).

He then went further on to state that what he was talking about was extra GAMES like DoD:Source etc. which is what most people assumed early on.

So we are still in fact in the position of knowing precisely nothing about whether there is a HL2 multiplayer. Save for one thing:

Cliffe said we were reading into things too much when we said HL2 didn't have it's own multiplayer.

Which is why I am leaning towards it having one at this hour. That and the fact it would be insane not to have one!

 

[Brian Damage]

Definitely, part of me agrees with you that it would be quite odd if they didn't include one. Truthfully, if web fansites such hl2.net were the only people buying HL2 I'd actually fully agree with you. But I can't help thinking that the majority of people who will buy the game don't post on these sites and don't follow things nearly as much as the bunch of us do. So I think it's necessary to look at things from the point of view of the average person to buy HL2, as I think Valve would. It just seems to me that if I pretend I don't know much about HL2, don't post in forums, and just read a snipet of news here and there, I wouldn't even think their statements were ambiguous at all. I'd just assume that CS:S was the only multiplayer to ship with HL2.

As I've said all along, I may very well be wrong. But that's just my "gut" feeling of the situation. Anyway, it atleasts gives us something to discuss in these times of somewhat limited new material.

Well, my "gut" feeling says it'll have one. Whose intestinal system is correct? Only time will tell.

Truth be told, I'd have to say I've seen that gut feelings seem near-worthless when dealing with the uncertanties of VALVe. Remember those people who said in various places that they had a gut feeling that HL2 would be released around April? Maybe we're both wrong, and they'll change their minds end up including neither CS: S or a HL2 MP, but some other MP game.

 

[Neutrino]

Well, my "gut" feeling says it'll have one. Whose intestinal system is correct? Only time will tell.

Truth be told, I'd have to say I've seen that gut feelings seem near-worthless when dealing with the uncertanties of VALVe. Remember those people who said in various places that they had a gut feeling that HL2 would be released around April? Maybe we're both wrong, and they'll change their minds end up including neither CS: S or a HL2 MP, but some other MP game.

Battle of the intestinal systems is it?

Well we'll just have to see who has the stomach for it. :E

 

[Sandler]

FFS!! stop opening threads about it, HL2 DOES HAVE MP!

 

[CyberSh33p]

my sig... :| figured it was time to make it such

 

[Brian Damage]

Battle of the intestinal systems is it?

Well we'll just have to see who has the stomach for it. :E

LOL. Now I've got a mouthful of chocolate milk all over my keyboard, after reading that :E ...

 

[Neutrino]

LOL. Now I've got a mouthful of chocolate milk all over my keyboard, after reading that :E ...

My evil twin made me do it.

 

[ShadowFox]

I don't get it.... Someone from valve says there won't be HL2 multiplayer on release and people still think there's going to be a multiplayer? hmm

Who exactly said that?

 

[Diablo2k]

Do you people realy think we'll not get multiplayer with manitpulator?!

Even if HL 2 does have its own mp the Manipulator most likely won't be in it. Check this email.

 

[Neutrino]

Even if HL 2 does have its own mp the Manipulator most likely won't be in it. Check this email.

Hehe, kind of took the wind right out of his sails.

 

[Brian Damage]

Sounds like he's saying the manipulator will work okay, but it'll be tough to do and may lag a bit.

[EDIT]: Heck, it even sounds a little bit to me like Yahn's referring to an HL2MP.

"However, because HL2 objects are more complex overall
compared to HL1, I wouldn't want to say that we will use less bandwidth
than HL1. I think "comparable" is about right."

 

[Neutrino]

Sounds like he's saying the manipulator will work okay, but it'll be tough to do and may lag a bit.

[EDIT]: Heck, it even sounds a little bit to me like Yahn's referring to an HL2MP.

"However, because HL2 objects are more complex overall
compared to HL1, I wouldn't want to say that we will use less bandwidth
than HL1. I think "comparable" is about right."

Well, I'd doubt that Valve would put anything in an official multiplayer that would cause lag. Sure it would be moddable, but since they're trying to reach such a large audience I just don't see them doing something like that themselves.

As for the quote, that could just as easily be referring to CS:S, since it obviously uses HL2 netcode.

 

[DevgruSeal]

In case you don't know where the search button is, heres a link for you.

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[Axyon]

We really don't need hundreds of threads like this with each and every person's opinions on the matter. Just try to keep it to threads that are already there. Closed.