HL2 Single Player gonna suck?

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Anybody else think that the single player of HL2 is going to disappoint? After all the movies, screenshots and beta leak I am not as hyped as i was a few months back. Once you've played around with the physics and seen Max Payne in action you kinda know already what to expect.

I guess its the beta that has really tarnished it cause some of the semi finished levels look uninteresting - please no more sewer levels, they suck already. Hopefully the finished thing will be totally different and have loads of atmosphere.
Having played Max Payne I think HL2 will have to go some to beat it in single player - especially the gritty storyline.

No doubt Multiplayer will rock. But I can't see HL2 competiting with Doom3's atmospheric engine. Comparing the alpha Doom3 to the beta HL2 and for me Doom3 is miles ahead...
 
I think it'll rock. I'd suggest that you stop looking at the STOLEN build (it's not a beta, that is a different thing) because it was NOT meant for release. Wait until the game comes out.
 
I have always said the secret to happiness is low expectations.

so yes....it's going to be really bad...

ps. comparing doom3's "atmospheric" engine to hl2...that's like saying "The Shining" was scarier than "Braveheart".
 
I agree. To form an opinion on a game that's been illegally released is pointless. Everyone knows Laidlaw can throw a conspiracy theory or two around, I don't expect HL2 to disappoint storywise.

And although Max Payne 2 is enjoyable, it's somewhat clichéd. I expect HL2 will be superior in both plot, graphics and storyline - even the physics in MP2 can get a bix mixed up.
 
I'm with czrsink, absolutely nothing in the stolen files should be considered final in any way. HL2 will have a brilliant single player game in it, far better than HL1 and that was excellent. I can't see HL2 struggling atall to compete with Max Payne 2 with regards storyline. HL2 will be the superior of the two. I'm just looking forward to the game coming out though and will likely be too much in awe of the visuals to pay attention to anything else in there atleast the first time I play it
 
(sorry for the irrevelant post... but then again everything has been for the last couple days.. either that or redundant)

Fenric Love your new avatar.
thats Charlie Sheen isnt it?
nice
although I still opt for Edward Norton as Gordon :D
 
What I hated about Max Payne 1 is that even thought the action was awesome with the fights and the story was good, it became so repetetive to just jump around and kill....But Half-Life...man...ou never knew what was going to arrive to you...and all those freaky headcrabs waiting for you in the vent...man...even in broad day light I was shitting my pants...haha

So you think physics is gonna be the game....hey...if Max Payne 2 is boring once u get used to the physics then it might not be all that awesome game around. ANd playing a half done game is like eating a cake with no topping....your missing the sweetest part of it !:bounce:
 
Originally posted by P4boy
After all the movies, screenshots and beta leak I am not as hyped as i was a few months back. Once you've played around with the physics and seen Max Payne in action you kinda know already what to expect.

I guess its the beta that has really tarnished it cause some of the semi finished levels look uninteresting - please no more sewer levels, they suck already. Hopefully the finished thing will be totally different and have loads of atmosphere.
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I think this basically sums up why a lot of people wanted nothing to do with the so called beta or source code. You risk ruining the game for yourself because of basing opinion on things which aren't done.

Imagine your favorite sandwich. Now take away everything but the bread....not as exciting as waiting for the real thing is it?

Will HL2 suck or rock? well....we won't know until we actually play the real game. Same goes for Doom3.
 
I don't think it gonna suck, in contrast, will be the rockest sp game ever.
 
Originally posted by Mr. Redundant
(sorry for the irrevelant post... but then again everything has been for the last couple days.. either that or redundant)

Fenric Love your new avatar.
thats Charlie Sheen isnt it?
nice
although I still opt for Edward Norton as Gordon :D
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hehe cheers, yep thats the one, while we were all going through who should play who in that other thread, and someone else has Walken so I thought meh why not :) its better than the shitty 5 second drawing I had before :D

Oh and I say Sheen is better than Norton :p hehe, I'd have to laugh if Norton vs Sheen split the entire community lol


Edit: oh yeah and I should add I got the idea from Rec's avatars he'd done, thought it would be kinda cool if the style looked similar :)
 
go sheen! down with norton! let's make a vs. thread!!

edit: i just think its funny to note that people like fenric are hydras within a month of joining and it's taken me this long...i think the influx of excited new members is awesome.
 
The only thing I can say re. the stolen files is that it's not possible to base your opinion on the set of maps that are not connected into any kind of storyline, and it's a storyline that made HL a hit and will make HL2 a star. It's like watching the movie from the end backwards, and in the middle you can obviously say, hey, I've seen the end, what's the point to watch the beginnning, this movie sucks! Oh, well, it sucks because you haven't seen the beginnning (is there 3 n's in the midddle? :)) and haven't got the atmosphere.

Just my 2 cents...
 
or mulhulland drive, where half the movie isn't real but you don't know which half?
 
Originally posted by Typhon
go sheen! down with norton! let's make a vs. thread!!

edit: i just think its funny to note that people like fenric are hydras within a month of joining and it's taken me this long...i think the influx of excited new members is awesome.
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lol a sheen vs norton thread. How many posts do you think it would get before it was closed? :D Shame there can't be like multiple polls per thread, could have one for each character and who would be the best choice to play them

And the crazy thing is I did it without realising, one minute I was a headcrab the next an ant lion and then suddenly a hydra. I thought at first the forum was broke or something.. and did it without spamming too, there's a comment or suggestion or something equally amazing in every post I've made *chuckles* ok well maybe not amazing but not pointless either :)
 
Originally posted by P4boy
Anybody else think that the single player of HL2 is going to disappoint? After all the movies, screenshots and beta leak I am not as hyped as i was a few months back. Once you've played around with the physics and seen Max Payne in action you kinda know already what to expect.

I guess its the beta that has really tarnished it cause some of the semi finished levels look uninteresting - please no more sewer levels, they suck already. Hopefully the finished thing will be totally different and have loads of atmosphere.
Having played Max Payne I think HL2 will have to go some to beat it in single player - especially the gritty storyline.

No doubt Multiplayer will rock. But I can't see HL2 competiting with Doom3's atmospheric engine. Comparing the alpha Doom3 to the beta HL2 and for me Doom3 is miles ahead...
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Well yeah it's going to be dissapointing... for you, since you foolishly spoiled the game by looking at all the in game maps from the beta (and since you looked at the maps I'm guessing you looked at all the weapons too). Should of done like me and kept your ass in the E3 demos. Remember, curiosity kills the cat.
 
The Beta is not old...it's OOOOOOOLLLLLDDDDDD!!!!... We're talking old as in models being version 8 (should be version 37). And old as in maps that were finished in time for E3 recordings (done almost a year before E3 I have heard), being nothing but a white box with some buildings in. Don't bother downloading illegal betas, you'll just tarnish your image of the game before it's even out.
 
Comparing Max Payne 2 (inferior sequal to a very average game) to Half Life 2 eh?? :)

mmmmm I wonder which one is gonna be better??
 
Quite the opposite of the original poster, the few tantalizing bits of beta media I've seen have made me even more hungry for this game. I see a screenshot, and I think, "If an incomplete beta build looks that good, just imagine what the finished game will look like!" And after getting a taste of Havok physics in Max Payne 2, I can't wait to see how Valve implemented it into their game with even more interactive levels and the juicy manipulator weapon!

In short, I would be stunned if Valve delivered a mediocre single player experience. In fact, I find the idea so ludicrious that I can't even entertain it.
 
Originally posted by Typhon
go sheen! down with norton! let's make a vs. thread!!

edit: i just think its funny to note that people like fenric are hydras within a month of joining and it's taken me this long...i think the influx of excited new members is awesome.
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Being a Hydra requires something like 520 posts... and I would bet that anyone that could do that in 20 days or less is posting 90% useless crap.

It's good to try to stay active, but avoid spamming as much as humanly possible.

I should be coming up on Strider (760) any day now... but I wouldn't be suprised if fenric made it to Combine (880) before I made it to Strider.
 
congradulations on ruining your hl2 experience with playing the beta. you got what you deserve
 
I heard something stupid like the beta runs in OpenGL by default (i think xbit labs said it) and some of the levels don't have proper boarders (infact you can see that in some of the screen shots).

On that info alone I would say that this build is about as new as the Doom3 alpah build and even less of a indication of the final product.
 
Yeah, let's think a STOLEN, even partially stolen leak that's OLD, with OUTDATED models and MISSING maps represents the final version.

Great going retard! :cheers:

Altough some people call the beta already the coolest game they've ever played, imagine what the whole version is.

I can't see much going wrong with the team that made HL, with more new people, the first team now has more experience (consider this: HL was the first game EVER for many employees) they have tons more cash to spend , they've had 5 years (compared to 1-2 years for HL, because they scrapped most of the game one year before it released because they didn't like it and redid most of the game in 1 year) to make the game, there were tons of stuff Gabe wanted but couldn't do in HL so idea's plenty. What exactly could go wrong?
 
The menu says OpenGL, DirectX, or Software but the engine uses DirectX no matter what you select... because the menu is probably just a quick edit of HL's menu.

... do you people even read this forum?
 
Originally posted by Mountain Man ... "If an incomplete beta build looks that good, just imagine what the finished game will look like!"[/B]
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Once again people, there is NO BETA. Heck, I wouldn't even classify the STOLEN code as an alpha. It's an early developmental build that was stolen. A BETA is a "near complete" build. What some of you have downloaded is NOT a beta.
 
As everyone pointed out, don't look to an unfinished, stolen build to show you how HL2 is going to deliver.

IMO, comparing MP2 to HL2 story wise is kinda dumb. That's like comparing MP1 to HL1, completely different story lines, but both are still great. Keep in mind, even with the stolen build, those who have played it still don't know the storyline, and the bits that you have found out don't exactly tie together in a known way.

And as for the physics, saying after playing around with the physics and seeing them in action in MP2 that it's just not the same anticipation level for HL2?

There's NO point in MP2 where the physics play a role in the game whatsoever, it's just eye candy (tbh, it kinda pissed me off that that's all that the physics were). I'd like anyone to point out a part in the game where the physics effected anything gameplay wise (other than a few explosions here, some falling rooves there..)

HL2 has more to do with an interactive environment (different ways to kill enemies, manipulator to chuck objects at enemies, blocking bullets with objects, physics puzzles.. etc), MP2 didn't. And I also agree with whoever said after shot-dodging for the umpteenth time in MP/2 that it got a little monotonous.

I loved MP2, but I'm still looking forward to HL2 just as much, if not more then I ever was (especially after seeing how Havok 2 works, and looking even more forward to VALVe's modified Havok 2).

HL2 has great potential, and I'm expecting it to deliver.
 
Originally posted by OCybrManO
I should be coming up on Strider (760) any day now... but I wouldn't be suprised if fenric made it to Combine (880) before I made it to Strider.
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Nevermind... I was closer than I thought.
 
Originally posted by Warbie
Comparing Max Payne 2 (inferior sequal to a very average game) to Half Life 2 eh?? :)

mmmmm I wonder which one is gonna be better??
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Are you saying MP2 is an inferior sequel to MP1? Or that MP2 is inferior sequel wise compared to HL2?

Because, if you've played MP1 recently, then play MP2, or MP2 then MP1, you'll see how MP2 is infinitely times greater than MP1 :)
 
Bah - the new bullet time in Max Payne 2 is a travesty :/

Gone are the uber slow motion fights :( no longer can u see the bullets flying through the air and thudding into the bad guys (the bullet dodge is still at the 'right' speed tho)

Everything else has been improved in MP2 but, seeing as bullet time is what MP is all about, this matters little.
 
If you want the old bullet time, add -developerkeys to your command line... then use "End" to slow the game down and "Home" to speed it up.

You can use F11 to see what speed it is currently running at... and some other information.

... and on that note I am going to go play some MP2 at 20% or 30% of normal speed.
 
Originally posted by Warbie
Bah - the new bullet time in Max Payne 2 is a travesty :/

Gone are the uber slow motion fights :( no longer can u see the bullets flying through the air and thudding into the bad guys (the bullet dodge is still at the 'right' speed tho)

Everything else has been improved in MP2 but, seeing as bullet time is what MP is all about, this matters little.
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Try using developerkeys (-developerkeys in your MP2 shortcut), and hold down End, it'll slow the game down like bullettime, and you can have really cool firefights (the attention to detail is absolutely amazing when you slow it down to nearly a halt), or down to the point of pause and go into freecam mode (F3)..

You can get REALLY cool screenshots that way, replaying the game is fun with developerkeys (Also can switch models using page up/down, play through the game as Mona Sax naked ;) not that I'd ever do that..) :)

Edit: Too bad I went into such detail, OCybrManO beat me to it =( Oh well, mine had different detail
 
Originally posted by OCybrManO
The menu says OpenGL, DirectX, or Software but the engine uses DirectX no matter what you select... because the menu is probably just a quick edit of HL's menu.

... do you people even read this forum?
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Quite alot of people have said that it runs in OpenGL by default but as I don't have the pre-release i can't use ATi smartshader or something along those lines to make sure.
 
Originally posted by mrchimp
Quite alot of people have said that it runs in OpenGL by default but as I don't have the pre-release i can't use ATi smartshader or something along those lines to make sure.
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It runs in DirectX, rest assured (I even tested smartshader under DX). Not like you'd be getting DX9 effects in OpenGL, anyway. I've also heard that if you turn on the Show DX Logo option on nVidia cards, it boots up with the DX logo
 
I played the alpha (beta is a compliment), and I thought it was brilliant. If the rest of the game is consistently as good as the finished parts of the alpha, then HL2 single-player will be pure ecstacy in my opinion.

And I'm glad that it ran fairly well on my current PC. My new computer should run the finished product like a dream :)
 
To say that hl2's single player will suck would be idiocy in the highest form.
Half life 1 had a mediocre enough multiplayer, we'd seen it before, what made it so good were the incredible quality and quantity of mods available for it. The hl1 single player, in my opinion is still unrivaled by any other game. To say its successor won't be amazing, might just be a little shortsighted...
 
Originally posted by Typhon
I have always said the secret to happiness is low expectations.

so yes....it's going to be really bad...
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and how true is that!

Typhon i mentioned the expectations thing once before but as like most HL2 threads.. the post got lost in there somewhere..

truth is.. the game has been overhyped for a while now and if ur one of those "live and die" by HL2's release date, its safe to say ur in for a huge disappointment..

take the release date and the game itself with a grain of salt.. when it comes out, if u think of the improvements they have made from HL1 over to number 2, than u shouldn't be disappointed.. but sticking on the hype machine bandwagon saying "i already know what to expect because how Max Payne 2 turned out to be" are both recipes for a disappoint.. *shrug* of huge magitudes..

Originally posted by Mr. Redundant
thats Charlie Sheen isnt it?
nice
although I still opt for Edward Norton as Gordon :D
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yup, Charlie Sheen and yes i think Edward Norton would be a better Gordon Freeman :)
 
Almost forgot:
If you want to slow MP2 down to something below 10% (for example, 1%) type "maxpayne_gamemode->gm_changeglobalgamespeed(.01,0);" into the console.
... or change ".01" to whatever you want the speed to be.

Is there an alias or bind system in MP2?
 
Originally posted by Ahnteis
Once again people, there is NO BETA. Heck, I wouldn't even classify the STOLEN code as an alpha. It's an early developmental build that was stolen. A BETA is a "near complete" build. What some of you have downloaded is NOT a beta.
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I know, but most people know the stolen release as "the beta". It's just easier and more sensible to go with the crowd on this one.
 
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