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as a game its brillinat but the metaphor completly fails, its an argument from Apocalypse the situation is ridiculous and cant be used to criticize capitalism/egoism. ken Levine is just like all those other pretentious baby boomer leftists.No. You're wrong.
No. You're wrong.
No, you're wrong.
totally but theres something else going on with gman and some members of the resistance,it relates to the way a group of people like in democrazy use force to oppress/steal from individuals especially strong ones. ( that seems to be whats going on ) i agree with what your saying theres just more going on. ill try to think about this more and put a little more effort into communicating this theory or w/e you'd call it.You're very predictable, Barnz. I could smell your odor from a mile away. Your abhorrence of Bioshock is well-known around these parts, but to say the game is a complete failure would be considered an asinine remark by almost all those who have played it. Also, if you had seen capital's post after mine, he was referring not to Bioshock's quality, but to the metaphor he was trying to get across. Quit trying to spread your pessimistic views.
Anyways, I agree with riomhaire. Half-Life 2 is mainly about independence from a foreign entity. Sound familiar? Yeah, it shows a resemblance to the Revolutionary War in which America fought for its independence from Great Britain. Gordon Freeman could be seen as a George Washington, Kleiner as a Franklin, etc. The ideas of individualism and collectivism and all that nonsense are really just background themes. Come on, it's about freedom from an oppressive government, the Combine!
totally but theres something else going on with gman and some members of the resistance,it relates to the way a group of people like in democrazy use force to oppress/steal from individuals especially strong ones. ( that seems to be whats going on ) i agree with what your saying theres just more going on. ill try to think about this more and put a little more effort into communicating this theory or w/e you'd call it.
look at 0:50That sounds more like a dictatorial government rather than a democratic one. The G-Man seems to be the ruler behind the curtains, waiting for the right moment to usurp the throne when his little pawn, Freeman, has defeated the Combine. With Breen supposedly out of the picture and the Combine in a moment of disarray, I think it's safe to say that the G-Man will soon make the move that he's been waiting for for a long time. Or, perhaps, the G-Man himself is being used by someone even higher in this hidden hierarchy and that a more sinister being will take hold of the reins. Who could it be? Why am I being so melodramatic? We'll find out soon enough...
look at 0:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9OtSalMKF4
ok so my point was that there is a parrelel between the combine's conflict with earth, and the other side which is g-man and whoever is hiring him. Because they want to use freeman, the individual. liek thethe way a authoritarian government (pure)democracy being one initiates force (use g-man to use you) on a individual for there own benefit. think about the name Combine its a reference to a egalitarianism that is present in authoritarian governments. You are a hero to the resistance but you do wonder what g man has to do with any of it. the only people who show awareness/unawareness of g-man is vorts and eli and then Alyx, so there obviously purely good guys.
curious g man quotes.
"That's why I must now extract from you some small repayment owed for your own survival."
"have recommended your services to my... employers, and they have authorized me to offer you a job."
You've done so well, in fact, that I've received some interesting offers for your services."
oh yeah breen is sort of a tool of the combine.There seems to be a slight misunderstanding with government types. Authoritarianism is closely linked to a dictatorial society, while democracy is related to egalitarianism. The Combine are authoritarian in nature, but Breen does his best to make them appear as if they care about the people. He uses his way with words and a few complicated metaphors to confuse the citizens into believing that the Combine are trying to enforce egalitarianism.
Breen is pretty much a dictator without power.
oh yeah breen is sort of a tool of the combine.
your misunderstanding.
democracy is rule of the majority in vote you could look at as mob rule. what would this mean for a free man in the the minority? egalitarianism in government is always tyrannical and not rights respecting because its by nature takes away rights. combine is taking all these different species and making enslaving and making them into cyborg things.
and on the other had g-man is forcing you you to be the "right man in the wrong place" for some other group of people with power.
it can be simplified as:
there is two bad guys.
it was unnecessary to relate this to democracy.
I think you're missing the fine line between democracy and ochlocracy. The majority determines the vote in a democracy, but the mob determines the vote in an ochlocracy. An ochlocracy could be run by a gang, posse, or some other criminal organization. The two types of government are not necessarily the same, but you seem to believe otherwise.
well all government is authoritarian, unless natural rights of man are protected equally. Theres no difference between the ochlocracy and democracy, its just semantics imo.
but its sorta irelevant
its more about freedom your right. but still combine is sort collectivist/egalitarian/w.e
when I said collectivism and individualism i meant freeman v. a group wanting to enslave,and make apart of a collective. That's a clear part of the story is it not. maybe i used the wrong words
i have nuanced ideas of these words and maybe there not good for communicating what i'm thinkin'
vortigaunt quotes
"you have brought us grief and jubilation beyond measure"-about combine?
for once the lesser master lay defeated, but we knew the greater must fall in time" about combine?
"your bright face obscures your darker mask." -this ones weird
"we cannot forget whose cords you cut. forgiveness is not ours to bestoy"
"Something secret steers us both. We shall not name it."
"how often we slipped our yoke, only to find it choking us again" - also strange
"We have endured these chafing bonds for eons, yet a single moment of further servitude seems intolerable! "
"unity of purpose the shattering of common shackles a single road we tread."
"Our life is worthless unless spent on freedom."
this one shows how legitimate my theory of the allegory is
"how many are there in you? whose hopes and dreams do you encompass"
is this a reference to the player(s) or Gordans controllers? but then Theres this one
"Could you but see the eyes inside your own the minds in your mind, you would see how much we share" "we are you and you are us"
the Vorts are truly your mutual friends that's clear.
but i'm suspicous of barney, and kleiner that first scene of the game in the torture room is weird. "gordan freeman.. Great Scott! I expected more warning...so, barney what do you intend?"
After a guy was completely gone after the black mesa incident for 10 years i would be more surprised then that.
thanks for the clarification on those quotes.
I've over thought this obviously. iv'e been drinking 5 hour energy and then posting here.
i misunderstood the meaning of a mutual friend. I thought it meant to have a mutual relationship.
other interesting things in the story i'd like help understandin:
-gman says at one point: make sure alyx goes safley to white forest as a payment for your survival
as if hes keeping you alive.
-g-man having "employers" abides by certain "restrictions"
i guess that's a part of the mystery.