HL2 too much like HL1

guys technically that was really a preview, i got really confused when people started refering the hands on thing as a review

and i think gamespot is the most trust worthy site of all because of there biased pessimism makes good games have good scores without making them overrated, like i know several games that ign totally overrates, i can't say the same for gamespot
 
Technically, in PC gamer terms it was a preview. In the terms of people using correct english, review is to consider retrospectively, or look back on. Therefore he was reviewing his experience of Half-Life 2 (the little he got to play). :)
 
Um... You could just make HL1 all over again with new graphics and I'd love it. Hell, I play recycled versions of HL everyday. Theyre called mods.

But even so. HL2 is not HL1. Its a completely different game that is set in the same Universe that HL1 was. Thus, I'd assume there would be alot of the same types of weapons. Of course there is now the combine and a whole different enviroment in a different part of the world and thats where the new guns come in.

After that It is impossible for HL2 to be the same as the first one. It has a different story line, different maps, and awsome graphics.

Now if the game mechanics such as how gordan moved around and such felt kind of the same I'd be happy. That was one of my favorite parts of the first one but now I'll get a completely new experience while feeling like im playing in the HL world. Thats awsome!
 
Iconoclast said:
The Gamespot article was great; the first not to feature stupid and sickening ass kissing. I'm glad professionals are starting to publicly point out how much impact the game has lost from the stellar games that have launched in the mean time and Valve's lies over the past year.

And, yes, Half-Life 2 being overly similar to the first one is a problem. I don't want to play Half-Life all over again with prettier graphics. I want a different experience.
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Please point out a single shred of evidence in the GS article which substantiates their cynicism based on their gameplay experience? You can't - let me break it down for you:

Are the weapons the same?

No, there are several familiar ones, several new ones and plenty that are still underwraps. As for those we actually know about - are GS dumb or something, here they are: 1. Manipulator, 2. alien pheromones, 3. the shock-stick, 4. incendiary grenade launcher, 5. OICW, 6. alien machine gun, 7. shock prod. Count them SEVEN different weapons, and we haven't even seen the full list yet.

HL2 is just HL1++ with a buggy

Ok possibly the stupidest accusation ever. Let's forget for a minute we've dealing with a 40-50 hour mega game that we've only seen about 35 minutes of tops... Let's forget that HL1 was a GoTY which set the benchmark for other single player games in having a seamless integration of cinematic style and action sequences.... Putting that aside - the gameplay is obviously not just plus vehicles - what about the new level of NPC interaction (story and combat)? The more dynamic set-pieces and contextual scripting? The huge lift in interactivity in terms of physics? What about the environmental changes and much bigger space - from a limited underground complex to a friggin European city. What about the heavier NPC and story focus? The completely different plot?

If this is 'just' HL1 then I'd like to know why MP2 scored 9.3 and not 'just MP1'. As far as I can tell there is a quantum leap in quality and substance from HL1 to HL2 which you certainly can't say about most sequels.

Valve hasn't attempted to innovate (implied by the article)

Absolute bollocks - we know they've experiemented with limited inventory, special moves, physics tripping, a new HEV etc etc. Well guess what? They actually chose this way because it was the most fun, not because they weren't prepared to experiement or try something different to HL1.

btw - Remind me how Painkiller (1993 gameplay), Far Cry (1998 Gameplay), Battfield Vietnam (copy of bf1942, EOD & Desert Combat), and UT2004 (UT + Tribes) innovate even a fraction of HL2? Did that stop them being good games regardless? No! Are they going to be better games with more longevity than HL2? I serious doubt it.
 
Technically, in PC gamer terms it was a preview. In the terms of people using correct english, review is to consider retrospectively, or look back on. Therefore he was reviewing his experience of Half-Life 2 (the little he got to play).
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considering that most if not all game reviews have a score to show the overall experiance of the reviewer, and the since the play test was a preview with out a score, it was a preview

and wolf i would be pretty pissed myself if even a short glimpse of a game that i've been waiting for forever to come out wasn't as good as i thought it would be
 
Naveed said:
I found Gamespot preview disturbing, clearly they have no faith, or in words of Darth Vader "I fiund their lack of faith disturbing" :|
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is it possible you are being TOO faithful?

what happens if you boot up your copy of halflife 2 in the summer, and it just turns out to be halflife 1 with vehicles and pretty new graphics.... its entiraly possable (any beta players can conferm this?)
 
Man, you seriously need to learn to read...

Reaperman, there is no need to worry, Half-Life 2 will be great :)
I can tell you that right now without any hesitation. :)
 
Reaperman said:
is it possible you are being TOO faithful?

what happens if you boot up your copy of halflife 2 in the summer, and it just turns out to be halflife 1 with vehicles and pretty new graphics.... its entiraly possable (any beta players can conferm this?)
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What if you're hiking in the mountains and you get raped by a Yeti... It's entirely possible.
 
Wonderfully put wolf.

I don't trust Gamespot, they don't seem to be up to much good. This might have something to do with games "going hollywood" now. This review is all game politics and should be disregarded. I won't doubt it if I hear Gamespot giving the only bad review. I personally don't trust game media anymore.
 
Reaperman said:
is it possible you are being TOO faithful?

what happens if you boot up your copy of halflife 2 in the summer, and it just turns out to be halflife 1 with vehicles and pretty new graphics.... its entiraly possable (any beta players can conferm this?)
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[sarcasm]OMG!! JOo MeAn TA tEll ME dAT Teh BATa IssT 1oo% oF tA FOoLL GaME AANd DAt DEy HeVnT aDeded aNYthInG sINCe?!?!11/111EleVEAn??[/sarcasm]
Obviously its true. After all the stolen version reveals everything that is in the game since it is amazingly up to date. :upstare:
 
I'm gonna write to Valve and ask them to sell me the leaked version and not the actual complete game. That way I won't be disappointed by the new coaster I'll have.
 
I also saw some Doom3 previews that were pretty negative (links at planetdoom) and one said Halo2's graphics were better and the other said Halo2's action was better.
I don't see how people can say there was no bias in these previews when the previewer didn't mention all the good stuff (like how you can use the crane to knock over a bridge or kill things with it, or that the mines were roller mines you could launch with your manipulator), had no quotes, had incorrect info and based their articles on their own opinions. Honestly I would like the see the notes the previwer took just to see if he actually took down any information and asked questions.
 
well practically any sort of review/preview will be biased b/c it will be based on the author's opinion, so practically anything you read on the internet, that is not just simple news, will be biased
 
Styloid said:
I also saw some Doom3 previews that were pretty negative (links at planetdoom) and one said Halo2's graphics were better and the other said Halo2's action was better.
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Really? I haven't seen any negative previews of doom 3 from any major website
 
Yeah I have to say that the gamespot preview wasn't amazing. I've never been a massive fan of gamespot, but I've also read in other places how similar the arsenal was, ect. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have some continuity and that they're not completyely separating this from the original (the idea that all of a sudden the HEV suit could only carry 2/3 weapons, for example).
Nevertheles their relatively downbeat attitude does make me wonder... After all - it's the sequel to, as many would call it, The Best Game Ever and as such the idea of it alone does an amazing amount to the excitement around it.
But what if that excitement causes unwarranted hyperbole? We're all expecting nothing less than 95% reviews or whatever and so, even if it turns out to be very above average, if it doesn't live up to such insanely high expectations things are going to be awful. Perhaps this would be unfair, but it'd happen let's face it.
And despite all the hype, it could still be crap. And it's things like these and thing like those whiny little tw*ts who complain and bitch about Valve and spread lies that might potentially be based on half-truths that drag me down and make me worry about the actual quality of the game (alright, the negative previews worry me way more, the whiners just make me sad)
Example:
'Okay, it would be cool to start the player off in the train in the second game as well.'"
Y'see normally, that would make me nostaligiac and smily, but in the context of certain previews it just makes me think: "Oh wow, that's original..." And the way gamespot was so down on the buggy parts - areas which had previously seemd and been flaunted as amazing and original in terms of what HL had been capable of/implemented before. And then I though: "Rollermines, eh? They sound sh*t." Like some strange childish platform game or something. And then the "Oh wow. Loads of the weapons are the same. How 'familiar'. How 'quaint'. What a cop-out, man."
I don't WANT to think this way, you must understand. It's just that I'm worried about the possibility and when these kinds of previews are downbeat I find it hard to ignore, given that they've seen it, and played it and I haven't. Obviousy I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't say they don't like it if they're not impressed. But there've been hints in some of the other previews that were quite positive. It just makes me worry - after all the build-up and confuzzlement it's sometimes difficult to know what or who to take with a pinch of salt.

To be perfectly honest, that was intensely inconclusive as a post and a statement but I don't care. I've said my badly structured bit and now I am somewhat happy.

EDIT: One thing that GAmespy said that made me smile: "What's that I said? Release?!? ... Believe it or not, Half-Life 2 will actually come out..."
To me it sometimes feels like the game's been all build-up.; I can't really imagine myself actually going to buy the f*cking thing and taking it home... Weird.
 
Y'all shouldnt be worried about it. Im looking forward to it as much as the next guy and will be dissapointed if its a bust, but then I'll just play farcry again or look on to Rome: Total War or something like that.

Everyone has there opinions. While 95 out of 100 people may love something the other 5 probably dislike it very much and dont see how these people can be so entralled with a sub par product not worth playing. If everyone else likes it however, chances are you will too. You really think one guys opion in the midst of the many luckey individuals who have played the recent build is warrenting a bad feeling about the game.

Roller Mines do sound kind of stupid but i have yet to see them in the game. The IGN guy didnt dismiss it as a cheap peace of lame fakey trash so i dont think youll have to worry about those. I like youll be meeting them at every corner too.

My prediction for the rating --> 93% Some will say what the hell is this peace of unrevelutionary trash, and others will say "What a great game" and it will be a great game. The true staying power of the game will lye in its moding (just like the first) which allready looks to be off to a pretty good start.
 
sigh.... how the hell can you make a prediction for the rating of a game that isn't even vaguely out...I understand it's just a prediction but that is the first time i have seen any one do that for a game. It's just plain dumb, unless you have more education about the game's mechanics than everyone else then that's just ridiculous...

I predict HL2 will get 96%...that's mine and to be honest i have no goddman idea what i even meant by that, i chose a random high number because i want the game to be good.

My point...We are still very much in the dark about HL2, there have been previews that have been very complimentary and some that have been slightly gritty, stop making be all and end all judgements based on these!
 
of course we'll see similarities. gabes explanation of why they liked the eastern european setting sums it up pretty well: a coming together of the old and new.
 
Rupertvdb said:
sigh.... how the hell can you make a prediction for the rating of a game that isn't even vaguely out...I understand it's just a prediction but that is the first time i have seen any one do that for a game. It's just plain dumb, unless you have more education about the game's mechanics than everyone else then that's just ridiculous...

I predict HL2 will get 96%...that's mine and to be honest i have no goddman idea what i even meant by that, i chose a random high number because i want the game to be good.

My point...We are still very much in the dark about HL2, there have been previews that have been very complimentary and some that have been slightly gritty, stop making be all and end all judgements based on these!
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Well, you can make an educated guess. We here on this forum are generally pretty knowlegable about games, we've seen a lot of games get hyped, previewed, playtested, and then released, and we've seen how they've done.

Sure, we don't know all the ins and outs of this game, but from what we've seen (screenshots, magazine articles, and videos) it has all the makings of a good game, even potentially a great game. There could be some utter crap that we don't see coming, but if the game is as good as we've been lead to believe, I think a score in the mid nineties is a fair prediction.

We're not saying the score will be a 93%, just that it seems that this game is the sort that will recieve that type of score.

sorry to be riding you in all these threads, rupert :)
 
Hey don't get me wrong i am not bashing in any way, (well maybe a little) i don't stand by that objective 'we know how the system works' concept because i have been following games for years and i still cannot hand on heart make predictions about ratings that i would want to stand by.

I can understand a judgement of the mid nineties percentile range (i'm sure i could have said that better) but voicing it kind of frustrates me, it's just overstepping the mark between educated guess and pointless prediction.

On Topic for ne sec, i want HL2 to be exactly the same as HL when it comes to being a groundbreaking mind blowing game, of course it shall bear similarities in things like the arsenals and maybe to some degrees the sounds but i welcome these things as it can give totally new people chance to experience what made HL so fun even down to the wepons and give vets that warm glow of recognition.


P.S. Spiffae - ride away, i like it....wait, what now?
 
I don't think the preview was negative. It was unconvinced. There's a big difference. They basically felt like what they were shown was, aside from the great start, hard to judge because they didn't really get to see or do anything all that new.
 
Apos said:
I don't think the preview was negative. It was unconvinced. There's a big difference. They basically felt like what they were shown was, aside from the great start, hard to judge because they didn't really get to see or do anything all that new.
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I disagree, there was an overwhelming sense of passé to the article’s coverage which seemed set up specifically to challenge HL2’s status as an automatic peremptory next generation BIG title. The problem was none of their allegations upon which their scepticism was based made sense or were substantiated with evidence... Maybe you could call it a lack of convinction but that to me implies more neutrality than GS's preview demonstrated.

Still looks to me more of a case of a graphics whore jaded by the delay and Valve's silence.
 
Well, it's their job to be skeptical. Again, I don't think it was negative per se. It was bitter about not being able to see much, but at the end you felt more like they just hadn't seen enough to say one way or the other rather than that they hated the game.
 
Wolf said:
I disagree, there was an overwhelming sense of passé to the article’s coverage which seemed set up specifically to challenge HL2’s status as an automatic peremptory next generation BIG title. The problem was none of their allegations upon which their scepticism was based made sense or were substantiated with evidence... Maybe you could call it a lack of convinction but that to me implies more neutrality than GS's preview demonstrated.
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I say thank god for the one guy who wants to challenge the notion that HL2 is automatically to be treated with "game of the year" gloves. I have no doubt that if the game is as good as we think it is, then he'll love it as much as the next guy.

I'm personally much more optimisitic about HL2 than the GS writer, but that doesn't mean I think he's wrong. I have seen videos of the beta, and it's surprising how many of the sounds were left from HL1. maybe they are placeholders, but when you see it in motion, and the sounds are the same as the ones you know so well, it's an odd feeling. It's not comforting how you think it might be, it cheapens the feel a little.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying anything about the quality of the game. All i'm saying is that i can understand why the sounds could be an issue for the writer.

Beyond that, I say bring on the E3 presentation(s) :cheers:
 
Well expectations can be a killer if you let them be... But I hardly think placeholders are a good indication of anything. Up until recently Stalker used CS weapons sounds for everthing. All developers do stuff like that until the game is ready...

I still maintain anon got a fraction of the art / map resources...
 
Didn't Valve says that they would be reusing the original sounds whenever they could and there were old elements in the game? They said that they had the original source art, and all they had to do was take higher quality samples and then beef them up a little. I don't think there's anything wrong with that: why should the headcrabs make different sounds in this game than in the last? As long as they are good quality, and the new enemies and elements have new sounds, I think that's pretty cool.
 
Polykarbon said:
Biased rant. Watch them priase Halo 2 for being the newest and best thing--just wait for it. They will.

OMG HALO 2 JUST LIKE HALO 1?!?!?! Why is master chief still using a rifle and pistol and driving the warthog! BS!

It's just like HALO 1 except it has dual pistols and new vehicles! SO BS.

/laugh
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i hate to admit it (being the GS lover i am), but you were absolutely right
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/halo2/preview_6097003.html
 
I think the indifferent attitude is because Greg Kasavin seems more interested in arcade style console games than plot-driven FPS's (some of his top rated games are Metroid Prime, Metal Gear Solid 2 and Ninja Gaiden).
 
Pffft thats ridiculous. Everyone knows Sam Fisher kicks Solid Snake's ass....
Back on topic now: Who cares if they have old stuff from HL1 in HL2? Thats cool, its nostalgic. I'm all for it.
 
Sparta said:
Who cares if they have old stuff from HL1 in HL2? Thats cool, its nostalgic. I'm all for it.
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Also, remember what happened to Deus Ex 2?

The total revamp led to it being a total disappointment with fans, even if it was ok otherwise.
 
Apos said:
Didn't Valve says that they would be reusing the original sounds whenever they could and there were old elements in the game? They said that they had the original source art, and all they had to do was take higher quality samples and then beef them up a little.
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I think you're thinking of the new content being released for CS:CZ - I may be wrong though, and i'd be interested to see where they said that.
 
Aha:
Cliffe said:
As for the audio, we have taken the original sounds and tried to stick as closely as possible to them. So, the weapon sounds in particular will sound very similar yet they have been beefed up as needed, normalized, and de-hissed. That said, the sounds won't sound all that *different* just *better*.

Cliffe
VALVe
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that's about the CS:CZ 1.1 update, from the Steam forums. Here's the link.

http://www.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=78316&perpage=15&pagenumber=2
 
hmm.. after reading the first page.. i have to ask..

whats wrong with HL2 having the previous weapons along with some new ones?
i remember when the "which is ur fav HL weapon" thread was created, almost everyone wanted at least of the weapons be included in HL2 as well as some new weapons..

so um... why are pple not liking the idea now?
i don't mind having tons of different weapons in the game.. i don't see why anyone should have a problem with it..
 
i'm pretty sure i have also heard HL2 is going to have similar treatment but i could just be all muddled again. It would be great if they could, obviously make improvements where possible but to have the zombies making that same squelchy wailing noise would bring back all the old bloody memories.
 
Naveed said:
I found Gamespot preview disturbing, clearly they have no faith, or in words of Darth Vader "I find their lack of faith disturbing" :|
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Indeed. I sense much fear in them.
 
Rupertvdb said:
sigh.... how the hell can you make a prediction for the rating of a game that isn't even vaguely out...I understand it's just a prediction but that is the first time i have seen any one do that for a game. It's just plain dumb, unless you have more education about the game's mechanics than everyone else then that's just ridiculous...

I predict HL2 will get 96%...that's mine and to be honest i have no goddman idea what i even meant by that, i chose a random high number because i want the game to be good.

My point...We are still very much in the dark about HL2, there have been previews that have been very complimentary and some that have been slightly gritty, stop making be all and end all judgements based on these!
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Actually it was allready mentioned that we all expect HL2 to get 95+ ratings. all i was saying was i dont think itll get that, but no need to get your panties in bunch over it, itll still be a great game.
 
a) leave my panties out of this.

b)that wasn't my first post on the topic, i followed up, check it out it'll help make you realise what i was trying to say.

c)the fact you are concerned for its quality doesn't worry me in the slightest, just remember to come back and BEG...thats right BEG for my forgiveness if you are wrong bwahaha :devil:
 
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