Homefront

Looks interesting but probably not groundbreaking or particularly balanced. But it looks like it might have some additional awesomeness factor, so I'll wait for more info.
 
Vegeta897 said:
Don't let shitty games ruin your view of military shooters. And lol at calling these 'realism' games. Play Arma 2 with us and you'll see what you've been missing.

If you think the cause of what makes these games shitty and boring is the weapon selection or environments, then you've clearly been brainwashed by mainstream games to the fact that gameplay is what really matters, and Arma 2 offers something unique.
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Vegeta: Trusted forum member? OR ADBOT SLEEPER CELL?
 
Vegeta897 said:
Don't let shitty games ruin your view of military shooters. And lol at calling these 'realism' games. Play Arma 2 with us and you'll see what you've been missing.

If you think the cause of what makes these games shitty and boring is the weapon selection or environments, then you've clearly been brainwashed by mainstream games to the fact that gameplay is what really matters, and Arma 2 offers something unique.
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I know they're not trying to be 100% realistic but they are trying to emulate real world scenerios with a) the environment and b) their weapon choices.

It all looks the same. All these games you're some shmoe that's part of the military, in the saaame environment, typically somewhere in the middle east and the same boring military weapons. There's just not enough differentiation. All the enemies are just other military men too. Yea the gameplay might be pretty cool but what's the point when you don't have a cool story/environment to emphasize it?

HL2 was great because it's something completely out there. The weapons are simple yet different and effective. The gameplay is pretty good too, not too complex but still good enough to be very entertaining aka the gravity gun. The enemies are also different too. The zombies aren't your typical zombies you see in other games, there are different combine soliders and then you have a really immersive storyline with engaging and mysterious characters like Dr. Breene, Alyx, G-Man etc.

All these boring military games are ALL the same no matter what way you look at it. We need more FPS that follow the HL2 formula.
 
AKIRA said:
I know they're not trying to be 100% realistic but they are trying to emulate real world scenerios with a) the environment and b) their weapon choices.

It all looks the same. All these games you're some shmoe that's part of the military, in the saaame environment, typically somewhere in the middle east and the same boring military weapons. There's just not enough differentiation. All the enemies are just other military men too. Yea the gameplay might be pretty cool but what's the point when you don't have a cool story/environment to emphasize it?
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Again, you've really gotten too focused on trivial aspects of games, probably because the gameplay of what you've played isn't enough to keep your attention.

Arma 2's gameplay isn't just "pretty cool", it's the main focus of the game. It sets it miles apart from any other military shooter. This is what proves that things like setting, weapons, enemies, really have little bearing on what kind of a game something is. They're just arbitrary.

All I ask is that you don't write off all military games just because you're bored of the mainstream ones, and that you give a game like Arma 2 a chance to show you what you seem to have forgotten about.
 
In principle you are correct, the gameplay should be more important than the setting/story/weapon selection.

However...

I can't speak for AKIRA but I for one prefer semi realistic arcade shooters. So no, I don't think I'll give Arma a shot, since I absolutely despise genuine realistic shooters. For me the problem really is the setting/story/weapons and not the same old gameplay, which I don't have a problem with.

More sci-fi/fantasy arcade FPS for me ktnxbye.
 
Vegeta897 said:
Again, you've really gotten too focused on trivial aspects of games, probably because the gameplay of what you've played isn't enough to keep your attention.

Arma 2's gameplay isn't just "pretty cool", it's the main focus of the game. It sets it miles apart from any other military shooter. This is what proves that things like setting, weapons, enemies, really have little bearing on what kind of a game something is. They're just arbitrary.

All I ask is that you don't write off all military games just because you're bored of the mainstream ones, and that you give a game like Arma 2 a chance to show you what you seem to have forgotten about.
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I'll give any game a try and i'll most likely enjoy it. But setting/weaponry and storyline make me remember a game and always wanting it to continue. I've played the mainstream ones and they ARE fun but that's about it really. It's like a 1 night stand, it's fun for a little bit but after that you don't remember their names or really anything about them.

A game like HL2 is something that's really fun, immersive and is something that will leave you wanting more. It's unique. Setting, storyline, enemies etc are a huge part of a good game.

These military games no matter which way you look at it, are all set on the same premise. The only thing that can be called unique about them is the gameplay but like I said before, it's not all about gameplay. Who cares about how good the gameplay is when everything else is pretty much the same?
 
AKIRA said:
Who cares about how good the gameplay is when everything else is pretty much the same?
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Are you joking? It makes the game completely different. Hence the word "gameplay", it's how the game is played. Two games that play completely differently are different, no matter what mask you put over them. Nobody would compare Arma 2 and CoD, even though they are basically the same setting. They not only have different gameplay but also Arma 2 offers such variety and open endedness that it's not even in the same league as mainstream military shooters. It's what makes it a mil sim instead of just another 'realistic shooter'
 
I'm out, this is turning into another HL2.net ragefest.
 
Yeah but veggie Arma 2 just becomes gun porn. I mean I know you have a fetish for pre-pubescent girls holding assault rifles with glistening oiled stocks or whatever but not all of us do.
 
FrostedxB said:
I turned the HL2.net chat into a ragefest because of this.

Can we discuss Homefront in the Homefront thread now please?
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No, because this is HL2.net, the place where good taste is decided by committee.
 
Eejit said:
Yeah but veggie Arma 2 just becomes gun porn. I mean I know you have a fetish for pre-pubescent girls holding assault rifles with glistening oiled stocks or whatever but not all of us do.
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Freak.
 
Vegeta897 said:
Are you joking? It makes the game completely different. Hence the word "gameplay", it's how the game is played. Two games that play completely differently are different, no matter what mask you put over them. Nobody would compare Arma 2 and CoD, even though they are basically the same setting. They not only have different gameplay but also Arma 2 offers such variety and open endedness that it's not even in the same league as mainstream military shooters. It's what makes it a mil sim instead of just another 'realistic shooter'
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You're not understanding my point. YES the game in question IS indeed fun and exciting but because of the swarm of games that are pretty much the exact same in setting/story/guns/enemies etc it's nothing to really make it stand out. I'm sorry but gameplay ISN'T the be-all end-all of games, at least to me it isn't.

Ok, so let's try to break it down. What does a FPS consist of:

1. Gameplay
2. Story
3. Setting
4. Enemy
5. Weaponry

(feel free to add in whatever I may be missing, but I think this list is suffice).

So according to you, this Arma game has the 4/5 elements of a FPS that is shared with MANY OTHER MILITARY TYPE FPS'. There's no differention in 4/5 areas EXCEPT for gameplay. That, to me, doesn't make it all that different if only 1 element out of 5 or more is different than the hundreds of other FPS' out there that have the same exact elements as Arma or similar.

Do you understand where I'm getting at now?
 
Remus said:
No. That it's uninteresting/boring because many other games use a similar setting.
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Well it's a good thing that the selling point isn't the setting then; it's the gameplay.
 
ríomhaire said:
Well it's a good thing that the selling point isn't the setting then; it's the gameplay.
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Yes, and it's a shame that that particular kind of gameplay doesn't do anything for me.
 
ríomhaire said:
Well boo-hoo.
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Why not incorporate good gameplay with other unique aspects of a FPS? Why does it always have to follow the same formula as the other thousand military FPS' out there?
 
Because "realistic military stuff" and "sim" usually don't sell well unless they're together in the same game.
 
Well I was going to not say anything more after Frosted's request but I have to give this a big old

Eejit said:
Yeah but veggie Arma 2 just becomes gun porn. I mean I know you have a fetish for pre-pubescent girls holding assault rifles with glistening oiled stocks or whatever but not all of us do.
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wat
 
Hey guys, this thread is for Homefront so can we PLEASE discuss Homefront. Okay.

Things to say about Homefront: Looks like it could be okay, I guess, but well, actually, no that seem's pretty unlikely.

Welp.

I'm really just mad because I totally made a good joke a while back and no one took the time to make me valued for it.
 
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