How has religion affected you?

[Raziaar]

sigh ....once again you jump in throw your 2 cents without reading what came before ..how am I insulting people you know in that particular sentence? how am I, in any way, singling out any one person? ..really Erestheux either join in on the debate or butt out, I dont apprecate these cat calls from the peanut gallery especially when your contribution amounts to little more than "ya! hear hear!"

I don't think the problem he has is you singling people out individually. I think the problem is your vast, all encompassing blanket statements.

 

[Uriel]

we're beating this to death, SPAM IT!

 

[Ome_Vince]

Agree with Raziaar here.
CpStern, the reason why your stepping on so many toes, is because your acting like a freekin fanatic with all kinds of statements which you cant even backup with credible arguments or evidence.
All you seem to be able to do is fish in history, take some random stuff that happened hundreds or thousands of years ago, or quote a few weird passages from the bible and then generalise every religion and or religious person.

In that same context, let me put this statement: all white people are evil and stupid ( i am white myself btw, so im just making a point here ).
Look at history, and take all the mass rapage white man has done to the world.
Now, you see, thats called GENERALISING... = now THATS stupid...

Same goes for religion, and your emotional attitude towards it isnt helping you at all.

If you can even put 1 credible argument here that ALL religious people, or the majority of religious people are stupid, are bad for the world, and/or that believing in a god is tied to your personal IQ, then you'd have alot more respect.
Right now you're just ranting like Mr Adolf used to do.

 

[Jintor]

How can I put this? Religion is probably the ultimate influence on Human Society. Even money, hard as this is to believe, bows to it.

So i guess, Sulkdodd's question of 'How has religion no affected you' is probably more valid, seeing as anything remotely connected with other people is probably tinged with religion. But I'll answer my own question first.

Religion has affected me in that in shaped my moral beliefs. I suppose my first exposure to religion was probably as a child, being taken to temples and shrines and stuff by my parents. (Traditional Chinese religion, with the incense and the praying and the reincarnation mua-hey). Scripture classes in my Primary School probably introduced the Christian and Catholic religions to me.

I note that, when I was younger, the Christian and Catholic religions were the most appealing at the time; they had the money to hire good teachers, and everybody around me was Christian. But I suppose that god isn't really important when you're 5. Or 10.

 

[15357]

I believe that religion is a societal evil, of sorts.


And they tell me that that is a religious belief, of sorts.....

How can I put this? Religion is probably the ultimate influence on Human Society. Even money, hard as this is to believe, bows to it.

So i guess, Sulkdodd's question of 'How has religion no affected you' is probably more valid, seeing as anything remotely connected with other people is probably tinged with religion. But I'll answer my own question first.

Religion has affected me in that in shaped my moral beliefs. I suppose my first exposure to religion was probably as a child, being taken to temples and shrines and stuff by my parents. (Traditional Chinese religion, with the incense and the praying and the reincarnation mua-hey). Scripture classes in my Primary School probably introduced the Christian and Catholic religions to me.

I note that, when I was younger, the Christian and Catholic religions were the most appealing at the time; they had the money to hire good teachers, and everybody around me was Christian. But I suppose that god isn't really important when you're 5. Or 10.

Oh, you too? :E
That made me hate christians in my area, with their biased ways and fanaticism.

And the 'teachers' were all " YOu will go to hell" and shit.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Exactly my point, there are people around that say that! Those are called fanatics!
There are also billions of religious people who dont do that and/or care about such things.
We're focussing everything on Christianity and Islam, how about Hindoeism, Budhism ( i know officially isnt a religion but can be considered one )?

I for one grew up in various countries, and eventually when i was 13 moved back to Holland ( was born there too btw ).
I lived in Islamic countries and Christian countries. My worst esperience was when i was about 10-12 and in Africa was forced to go to a school called : "the new jesus christ people". This was a fanatical Christian school which made us sing gospels all day and told us we shouldnt believe in Santa-Claus because Santa = Satan and presents are overthrowing the nature of Christmas: jesus christ. Looking back at it, that was the most fanatical Christian school ever.
Now, that didnt do much for me at the time, i thought it was normal as i was young.
Then we moved back to Holland and i visited a Christian school and thats where i learned how it should be. We had a Christian school with Muslims, Christians and Atheists on it, and everybody was equal and nobody cared
(this was a Katholic school too).
So you could say i actually KNOW both sides of the story, hence i dispise generalisation.
If you want something to hate, chose : fanatics and people who see the world as Black&white. For those are the ones ( and they can also be found alot in religions ) that create all of these problems...

 

[15357]

Exactly my point, there are people around that say that! Those are called fanatics!
There are also billions of religious people who dont do that and/or care about such things.
We're focussing everything on Christianity and Islam, how about Hindoeism, Budhism ( i know officially isnt a religion but can be considered one )?

I for one grew up in various countries, and eventually when i was 13 moved back to Holland ( was born there too btw ).
I lived in Islamic countries and Christian countries. My worst esperience was when i was about 10-12 and in Africa was forced to go to a school called : "the new jesus christ people". This was a fanatical Christian school which made us sing gospels all day and told us we shouldnt believe in Santa-Claus because Santa = Satan and presents are overthrowing the nature of Christmas: jesus christ. Looking back at it, that was the most fanatical Christian school ever.
Now, that didnt do much for me at the time, i thought it was normal as i was young.
Then we moved back to Holland and i visited a Christian school and thats where i learned how it should be. We had a Christian school with Muslims, Christians and Atheists on it, and everybody was equal and nobody cared
(this was a Katholic school too).
So you could say i actually KNOW both sides of the story, hence i dispise generalisation.
If you want something to hate, chose : fanatics and people who see the world as Black&white. For those are the ones ( and they can also be found alot in religions ) that create all of these problems...

The reason why we focus on Christianity and Islam is because they are the most fanatic-like about their beliefs. Have you ever seen a buddhist suicide-bomb a place or try to convert you?

 

[Ome_Vince]

Ah! But in that case the discussion should be:
-Islam and Christianity should be banned because they are bad.

Right now the discussion is about Religion in general.
If we're only focussing on Christianity and Islam, then lets talk about that.
For then we should note that Christianity and Islam are the biggest religions and perhaps the only religions in a "clash".

The main reason Christians and Islamic people try to convert, is because their religion is focussed on pursuading the "world" of "gods love". Bhudism is focussed around your own inner self. Which is a more admirable principle, and i believe Christianity + Islam should merge into such a state.

 

[3ssence]

Have just been reading through this thread since i posted, and i'm not going to get involved in the majority of the arguments, as it is pointless, each is entitled to their own beliefs and there is no changing that, but having seen this statement:

it's not my fault christians are disproportionately against most social issues

I would 1: like to second the below:

Are they? Or is that just the vocal minority? Because you know, most Christians I meet are not.

Because i can't believe someone could say something that ridiculous....

Edit:

I think the problem is your vast, all encompassing blanket statements.

That pretty much sums it up

 

[jerkasaur]

The main reason Christians and Islamic people try to convert, is because their religion is focussed on pursuading the "world" of "gods love". Bhudism is focussed around your own inner self. Which is a more admirable principle, and i believe Christianity + Islam should merge into such a state.

bhudism is somehow not all right, like don't care about anything in this world, look into yourself, then how the hell are you going to live? you're gonna eat shit and drink piss for a living?
Edit: hey, shit isn't censored, shit!

 

[Bait]

I believe that religion is a societal evil, of sorts.

Buh?????

 

[15357]

Buh?????

Religion is a societal evil.

some people get mad when they hear it but...

 

[jerkasaur]

Religion Ftw!

 

[Uriel]

Oh, you too? :E
That made me hate christians in my area, with their biased ways and fanaticism.

And the 'teachers' were all " YOu will go to hell" and shit.

You'd like Mormons, we believe you're going to Heaven anyway.

EVEN STERN

 

[CptStern]

I dont want to go to heaven ..too many flanderesses


3ssence: try reading the thread from the beginning

Ome_Vince: you're not worth my time

 

[Bait]

Religion is a societal evil.

some people get mad when they hear it but...

I dunno what jaded you in the past, but it must have been pretty serious for you to have come out thinking like this.

 

[Ome_Vince]

I dont want to go to heaven ..too many flanderesses


3ssence: try reading the thread from the beginning

Ome_Vince: you're not worth my time

hehe, well the feeling is more than mutual :stare: . I guess this is your own twisted way of saying; "yes i actually based my accusations on bs, blind hatred and generalisation, but i just want to exit the debate now".
I just hope you stay away from any civilisation as far as possible.
Society doesnt need anymore fanatical maniacs like you. There are plenty around.

 

[Llama]

I suggest both of you stop the arguments completly.


I'm no fan of religion, but I base none of my life around my belief / lack of

 

[CptStern]

:upstare: ..heh more like I dont feel like arguing with someone who doesnt know how to debate ..you used hitler on 3 different occasion (not once effectively) ..that's a mark of a poor debater

raving looney: "maybe it's because you're teh evil fanatic like Hitler"

me: .."well..."

raving looney: "SEEE?!? HE ADMITS LIKING HITLER!!!!!"

 

[Llama]

stupid Godwins Law

 

[Ome_Vince]

:upstare: ..heh more like I dont feel like arguing with someone who doesnt know how to debate ..you used hitler on 3 different occasion (not once effectively) ..that's a mark of a poor debater

raving looney: "maybe it's because you're teh evil fanatic like Hitler"

me: .."well..."

raving looney: "SEEE?!? HE ADMITS LIKING HITLER!!!!!"

hehe, you tell me i am unable to debate?
Thats gotta be the joke of the century coming from your mouth.

Fanatic maniac: "ALL RELIGIONS ARE TEH IDIOTS TEH DIE DIE DIE"
me: "where are you basing this on?"
Fanatic maniac: "ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE STUPID TEH DIE DIE DIE, CRUSADES DIE DIE DIE ALL CHRISTIANS HATE HOMOSEXUALS"

There are about a dozen different people labeling you as mindless ranter.
And i never said you liked Hitler, you fail not only in debating, keeping up a rational debate, but also in reading.
You havent given me a single credible argument, all your argumentation evolves around generalisation and once your cornered you start to act this way and telling me im a poor debater?
I used the Hitler comparison several times to show you you were WRONG.
And you can whine and cry all you want, and try to reverse the situation i dont care. Your argumentation was bs as was your point.

 

[CptStern]

:upstare: revolve not evolve ..and you used argumentation incorrectly

I really dont care to regurgitate your nonsensical ramblings inane innuendos and idiotic fits of kneejerkism in order to find anything resembling a well thought out point ..because it just doesnt exist

 

[Ome_Vince]

ah well who cares, English is not my Nr1 language.
I believe YOU were the one making a point, and I was the one breaking it.
Lets not turn stuff around.
You started with a generalisation which can be put in the same category as any other racial, or discriminating comment. When proven wrong, you get angry.
Its not my fault dude, "think before you speak" is a great virtue you know.
I suggest an admin close this thread..

 

[CptStern]

it's not my fault you jump at insignificant points and ignore the broader picture

I suggest we stay out of it and let other people discuss their beliefs ...that goes for anyone else who has strong opinions on the subject

 

[jerkasaur]

How has religion affected you?

where are you from Jintor?

 

[Ome_Vince]

@CptStern: Your most wise post in this entire thread, with the exception of that first sentance, since your broader picture = generalisation = bs, but o well.

 

[Glirk Dient]

There have been too many atheism vs religion debate threads. We don't need another. We should keep this to how religion has affected us not whether there is any fact to it. Don't need more locked threads!

 

[lister]

i dislike religion, but i don't dislike religious people (other than thinking they're just a bit thick). of course some religious stuff is bad, e.g. the pope telling african countries that are running rampant with aids that condoms don't work.

my great uncles and aunts were all killed in the concentration camps, my grandad escaped and all the remaining family turned their back on religion, not necessarily because of the war but just because they realised how stupid it is. i mean, c'mon, a guy who controlls everything and is everywhere and when you die you go to a lovely place blah blah blah.

im glad u see sense, well done!

Religion in my case has gotten out of hand, ppl blame n e fing that goes wrong, or happens as a miracle lol to do with Jesus, God, watever looking out for us.
I have always said, the ppl who wrote these bibles, how do we not know they were insane! How do we not know they were supposed to be just someone's thoughts, or a dream they had, so they wrote it down, or a story. We don't, simple as that, the sooner ppl open their eyes the better.

 

[Yuri]

sigh ....once again you jump in throw your 2 cents without reading what came before ..how am I insulting people you know in that particular sentence? how am I, in any way, singling out any one person? ..really Erestheux either join in on the debate or butt out, I dont apprecate these cat calls from the peanut gallery especially when your contribution amounts to little more than "ya! hear hear!"

I've read enough of your posts in the history of this goddamn website to know your personal opinion and how you shove it down the throats of everyone who mentions it.

Don't assume that you are the "master of debate" and that I'm some kind of unschooled commenter. I'm not required to post about everything else in this topic every single time I post. That would make no sense whatsoever. And what do you mean "once again"?

I realize that you're too stubborn to agree with me, apologize, or even acknowledge what I'm calling you out on. The truth is, though, that you are prejudiced against religion. But its not just religion, is specifically Christianity.

Raziaar said it perfectly. Making blanketted statements about how Chrisitans are evil, stupid people is what is pissing me off. Just because the majority of a group of people (race, religion, age group, etc.) is usually affilliated with stupid things; it doesn't mean that you can refer to all of them all as stupid. Likewise, if you personally think that a group of people is stupid for their beliefs, keep it to yourself. It's disrespectful, naive, and predjudiced. You mention Christianity in particular, you say things like "fairy tales" and "idiotic stories," and it really takes away from your credibility in a lot of cases. If you were truly tolerant, you would take the time to say "radical Christians," and just avoid mocking the religion itself. I don't care if a group of Christians burnt your children for witchcraft, or if radical Muslims beheaded your friend in war, or if the Vietcong tortured your brother for months. None of these give you the right to insult someone's beliefs.

 

[CptStern]

yet you have no problem with people rediculing mine? drop it Erestheux, in my opinion it's not worth it

 

[Yuri]

yet you have no problem with people rediculing mine? drop it Erestheux, in my opinion it's not worth it

Ridiculing your what, exactly? Your religion? When did I say I have no problem with people ridiculing yours? When did I come to the defense of anyone in any of my posts?

 

[CptStern]

just drop it and let other people express their beliefs before this thread is locked

 

[Yuri]

just drop it and let other people express their beliefs before this thread is locked

Uhh, what? How are my posts any more lock-ensueing than any of your's? I think you're just avoiding responding to me. So okay, whatever.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Uhh, what? How are my posts any more lock-ensueing than any of your's? I think you're just avoiding responding to me. So okay, whatever.

Stern is dropping it...your posts are continuing it. That is why yours are lock-ensuing and his are not. Make a thread in the politics section and I will be more than happy to debate this issue, for now leave it out of this thread.

 

[CptStern]

Uhh, what? How are my posts any more lock-ensueing than any of your's? I think you're just avoiding responding to me. So okay, whatever.

? I'm not suggesting your posts will get this thread locked ..but rather our little dispute will

yes I'm avoiding responding to you ..do you really want me to respond and carry this argument for another 5 pages before we all end up even more pissed off than we are now? because I can be accommodating

 

[Yuri]

Stern is dropping it...your posts are continuing it. That is why yours are lock-ensuing and his are not. Make a thread in the politics section and I will be more than happy to debate this issue, for now leave it out of this thread.

Hah, make a thread on what? "Why Erestheux doesn't like it when Stern addresses Religion." Teehee.

Usually when somebody says something against you and is expecting some kind of rebuttle, whether it is an apology or a "You're wrong", one get's discouraged when they say "Drop it." Its not that person's topic to drop. :|

Hey, but whatever, if Stern doesn't want to respond, fine. I'm stopping now.


Man. People never get me when I press a point. All I want is a simple "Sorry, I'll try to be more sensitive in the future." Or even a "Sorry, not going to happen."

 

[Glirk Dient]

Hah, make a thread on what? "Why Erestheux doesn't like it when Stern addresses Religion." Teehee.

Yep!

 

[CptStern]

Hah, make a thread on what? "Why Erestheux doesn't like it when Stern addresses Religion." Teehee.

Usually when somebody says something against you and is expecting some kind of rebuttle, whether it is an apology or a "You're wrong", one get's discouraged when they say "Drop it." Its not that person's topic to drop. :|

Hey, but whatever, if Stern doesn't want to respond, fine. I'm stopping now.


Man. People never get me when I press a point. All I want is a simple "Sorry, I'll try to be more sensitive in the future." Or even a "Sorry, not going to happen."

"sorry, I'm not ready to make any statements at this time, further correspondence may be forthcoming but the likelihood is slim at best, please direct all further inquiries to the appropriate channels"








:E

 

[madog]

Everyone needs to stop being so critical. You cant judge someone just by their religion. Each person is different based on how they feel about it. Im Catholic but Im a shitload different than other Christians I know, and I'm glad I am. So just try and accept everyone.
Basic rule of life: Dont be a minge (ass/dick/etc..)

 

[Ennui]

yuri and stern cool it please.

i'm atheist and i don't give a shit or judge anyone based on religion unless they judge me for mine first and/or try to push their own religion onto me after i've expressed my disinterest.