how money was spent on katrina relief

[Solaris]

I'm completely behind Nolimit.

Why would the OP hold such absurd opinions if he wasn't a closet racist.

 

[No Limit]

I also have a very hard time calling that racist. As LLama said, the op didn't come out and say, "because they're black, they spent the money sent to them on alcohol, drugs and hookers". There was no mention of race, at all.

However, he did make a rather ludicrous claim to which he backed up with a steaming pile of bullshit. Until there's a source, it's pretty simple...the op's not racist, he's just another moron.

Don't take this the wrong way but you guys really are naive.

If I say all people on the lower side of Brooklyn spend all the money they receive from their welfare babies on drugs, hookers, and strippers without any backup what so ever is that not a racist statement? I mean afterall I didn't say anything about race.

Come on, is this really that hard to understand? I respect how innocent you guys are, but racism really is fairly widespread throughout this country.

 

[Llama]

Easy now, that quote might hunt you later on in life.



Its unbelievably naive to think that.

:cheese:

Do you honestly beleive that these FALSE (proven false) accusations happen when this kind of disaster happens in white areas? The simple answer is no. You don't hear this shit when this type of disaster happens in manhattan or in malibu. So if you honestly don't think that when someone makes up shit about how people in black areas spend their relief money on hookers, strippers, and drugs has nothing to do with race you sir are extremely naive. Of course he isn't going to say flat out that he thinks black people do this, but when you look at what he said his position is pretty damn clear.

Proof?

All i'm saying is that you can't just accuse people of saying certain things. Personally, I think he probably was, but I can't just lay into him because of what I think.

Hell, you haven't actually proven anything, or refuted the point I made.

Just because I agree someone is logically incorrect just not mean I think they're stupid. Don't call me naive when you have no idea about me

 

[15357]

Actually, claiming that the OP is racist is racist in itself, because you are actually giving into those streotypes. Nobody said that black people spend all their money on illegal whatnot, but you just did.



Or my brain is jsut fried. It could be that. I ned slefp nolrw.as.sa. dcxn m,

 

[Lt. Drebin]

I'm completely behind Nolimit.

Why would the OP hold such absurd opinions if he wasn't a closet racist.

Should be more worried about getting a thread based upon a completly moronic statement closed rather than worrying about whether the op, whom no one knows, is a racist. It's absurd.

The only determination I can make, without sources, is that he's a fool and made it up based on what he may have heard concerning the actions of a FEW. Again, without a source, who the eff knows.

 

[CptStern]

well there is implied racism ...mostly due to the history of these sort of katrina stories ..you know how like during the flood, blacks carrying stolen goods were referred to as "looters" while whites doing the exact same thing were called "survivors"

if you breakdown the story it's easier to see implied racism ..tragedy strikes a predominatly black area ..media reports blacks suffered the most, media reports aid sent to those affected most by katrina = most of the people receiving aid/affected by Katrina are black ...

racist attitudes believed by some people: blacks are criminals (stealing) blacks are lazy (buying expensive tvs) blacks are morally reprehensible (strippers) ..but abovbe all else blacks embody the Sambo archtype: too childish and stupid to fend for themselves therefore it is the white's man's burden to help the blacks ...and this is how they repay us ...it's a very common theme ..I remember there were similiar reports around the aftermath of the LA riots ..tons of blacks from all over the world went to LA to help rebuild ..the media focused on violence (Reginald deney etc) and looting in the aftermath

now did the OP imply racism? perhaps not directly but the implication is there, it's just a matter of whether you'd like to apply it or not ..I wouldnt be surprised if it was in the back of the OP's mind when he created this thread

 

[Icarusintel]

well there is implied racism ...mostly due to the history of these sort of katrina stories ..you know how like during the flood, blacks carrying stolen goods were referred to as "looters" while whites doing the exact same thing were called "survivors"

now did the OP imply racism? perhaps not directly but the implication is there, it's just a matter of whether you'd like to apply it or not ..I wouldnt be surprised if it was in the back of the OP's mind when he created this thread

That is an entirely fair assessment of the situation. And the racism was pretty blatant when Katrina happened. I remember hearing things from several people that were openly racist about the situation.

The implied racism is there. Now if only the OP would come back to discuss the issue more.

 

[CptStern]

I suspect he wont be back ..too much trouble to support his claims

 

[No Limit]

The implied racism is there. Now if only the OP would come back to discuss the issue more.

And if I'm wrong I will apologize to him. I just have a really hard time believing those stereotypes had nothing to do with race.

 

[Solaris]

And if I'm wrong I will apologize to him. I just have a really hard time believing those stereotypes had nothing to do with race.

Definitely.

 

[Steve]

I'm from Baton Rouge, so I've seen first-hand a great deal of people doing exactly what the OP posted. Black AND white.

I really don't see any racism in the words of the OP's post, implied or otherwise. Now, he might very well be a racist, but doesn't seem like it to me.

 

[No Limit]

I'm from Baton Rouge, so I've seen first-hand a great deal of people doing exactly what the OP posted. Black AND white.

Really? And exactly how much money did those people originally get?

 

[Steve]

Really? And exactly how much money did those people originally get?

1) I've already said the majority of katrina victims I've known/seen did NOT do what the OP posted.

2) You know I don't know that.

3) How exactly is that relevant? Squandering money is squandering money. If it's 2,000 or 200,000, It's money given to them to help them get back on their feet.

 

[No Limit]

1) I've already said the majority of katrina victims I've known/seen did NOT do what the OP posted.

Where? I could be missing something.

2) You know I don't know that.

3) How exactly is that relevant? Squandering money is squandering money. If it's 2,000 or 200,000, It's money given to them to help them get back on their feet.

I don't know that you don't know that. Its perfectly relevent because you A) eighter know about that person's situation, so you should have an idea of what they lost and what kind of money they get for it which would entitle you to claim that person is throwing their relief money away, or B) you know nothing about the person and you are making huge assumptions about them based on nothing but speculation, in which case you should not be posting about it on a board claiming it a fact.

Seeing someone drunk at a bar or at a strip club doesn't mean they are throwing all their money away. If I was in a situation like that where I used to have a perfectly decent house in a perfectly decent neighborhood only to lose that house and not get enough money to rebuild in that same area since real state prices jumped through the roof you would probably see me getting pretty wasted once in a while. Doesn't mean I am throwing my relief money away.

 

[Steve]

Where? I could be missing something.


I don't know that you don't know that. Its perfectly relevent because you A) eighter know about that person's situation, so you should have an idea of what they lost and what kind of money they get for it which would entitle you to claim that person is throwing their relief money away, or B) you know nothing about the person and you are making huge assumptions about them based on nothing but speculation, in which case you should not be posting about it on a board claiming it a fact.

Seeing someone drunk at a bar or at a strip club doesn't mean they are throwing all their money away. If I was in a situation like that where I used to have a perfectly decent house in a perfectly decent neighborhood only to lose that house and not get enough money to rebuild in that same area since real state prices jumped through the roof you would probably see me getting pretty wasted once in a while. Doesn't mean I am throwing my relief money away.

The answer to your first question is on the first page of the thread.

Now, you seem to be assuming that I "just saw" someone at a strip club or a bar whom I knew to be from New Orleans and "assumed" they were using their relief money frivilously. You assume wrong.

No, I've stood in line at grocery stores and retail stores, and I've seen people use their hurricane katrina foodstamp/relief debit cards for large amounts of alcohol, dirt bikes (these were actually a bunch of 25 to 30-year-olds who lived in my apartment complex, and I knew it wasn't a christmas present for a child, because there wasn't a child among them, and all the did was ride the noisy little thing around the parking lot at 3 am), 200 dollar shoes, ...well, I don't think I really need to go on.

 

[No Limit]

The answer to your first question is on the first page of the thread.

Didn't see it, my bad. I could have sworn I went back all the way.

Now, you seem to be assuming that I "just saw" someone at a strip club or a bar whom I knew to be from New Orleans and "assumed" they were using their relief money frivilously. You assume wrong.

I didn't really assume anything, I asked you to clarify.

No, I've stood in line at grocery stores and retail stores, and I've seen people use their hurricane katrina foodstamp/relief debit cards for large amounts of alcohol, dirt bikes (these were actually a bunch of 25 to 30-year-olds who lived in my apartment complex, and I knew it wasn't a christmas present for a child, because there wasn't a child among them, and all the did was ride the noisy little thing around the parking lot at 3 am), 200 dollar shoes, ...well, I don't think I really need to go on.

And I have no clue if what they were doing was right or not and I don't think you do eighter, and I dont mean for you to take any offense from that, I'm just trying to state a fact. From what I read these debit cards were worth $2,000. It doesn't really prove anything. They might of already spent their own money on rebuilding and used the cards for personal reasons. Or maybe they actually were scamming the system. Like with any government relief program there is going to be abuse, which after reading the posts from you on this we pretty much agree on that. The problem I have with the OP is that its pretty clear he is using stereotypes to say that almost all victims abused the system and we should not have helped them then and we should not help them in the future. It is totally wrong and I still stand behind my statement that it is racist.

 

[Steve]

Well, if believing that makes you feel better, then I'm happy for you.

In my opinion, it's quite unsympathetic and very anti-welfare(the latternot altogether a bad thing, if you ask me). But not racist.

Oh well. Agree to disagree?

 

[No Limit]

Oh well. Agree to disagree?

Of course. And like I said, if I'm wrong I will apologize to him, but for some reason he is no where to be found.

 

[Steve]

Maybe he went to bed early.

 

[No Limit]

Could be, but that would mean he's quite the sleeper, been sleeping for well over 24 hours now.

 

[Steve]

That was the essence of the joke, yes.

 

[Jintor]

I lol'd. Two pages of Nemsis and No Limit arguing over whether the OP was a racist, and one page of Steve and No Limit arguing over something that was settled amicably. A rarity!

 

[Nemesis6]

I really don't see it as an argument. The hammer of truth is not an argument! :cheese:

 

[Solaris]

The answer to your first question is on the first page of the thread.

Now, you seem to be assuming that I "just saw" someone at a strip club or a bar whom I knew to be from New Orleans and "assumed" they were using their relief money frivilously. You assume wrong.

No, I've stood in line at grocery stores and retail stores, and I've seen people use their hurricane katrina foodstamp/relief debit cards for large amounts of alcohol, dirt bikes (these were actually a bunch of 25 to 30-year-olds who lived in my apartment complex, and I knew it wasn't a christmas present for a child, because there wasn't a child among them, and all the did was ride the noisy little thing around the parking lot at 3 am), 200 dollar shoes, ...well, I don't think I really need to go on.

So? Their lives were ruined, family members perhaps killed, houses destroyed if they want to buy a dirtbike over food, then so be it.

 

[HL2addict]

here are a few sources backing up my claims, if you must.
sources:
http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1097

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13924780/

http://www.dhs.gov/xprepresp/programs/gc_1157649340100.shtm

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2007/treasury.html
Response to Hurricane Katrina
The Treasury Department assisted victims of Hurricane Katrina in a number of ways. The IRS granted tax filing and payment relief to all affected taxpayers, provided nearly 5,000 IRS employees to help the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) register hurricane victims on a dedicated toll-free disaster phone line, and provided a special information section on the IRS website. The Financial Management Service also responded by issuing 1.3 million FEMA disaster assistance payments valued at $2.6 billion, establishing a debit card program that issued 11,374 FEMA Assistance Cards valued at $22.7 million to evacuees in three Texas cities, and by providing guidance and relief to financial institutions in cashing Treasury checks for hurricane victims.

http://www.gborocollege.edu/athletics/sports/Mbasketball/mb2005-06/montrell_story.html
They were taken to a nearby bridge that was on higher ground. Montrell was dumbfounded by what he saw: people looting alcohol, electronics and other “luxury” items. Those possessions were the furthest thing from my mind, he said. These folks didn't have a home for a stereo or a television. They needed water and food.