I hate bears.

[moppe]

Well, they're nice animals. But if I ever see one outside at my home, I'll shot it.

One of my family friends left hunting 6AM this morning, and is now dead thanks to a bear. He was a experienced hunter, and the accident happened outside the city Jokkmokk. The bear has a gunshotwound from selfdefense so police and bearhounds are flying in from Luleå, to track it down and kill it.

For Swedes:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,548995,00.html
Please, no "Sorry for you loss", I never knew him so well.

 

[f|uke]

Score one for mother nature. If he was a camper, that would be one thing,. but a hunter, well, he played the game and he lost.

 

[CptStern]

oh well ..that's the risk you take being a hunter ...ya win some ya lose some ...personally I prefer playing checkers: you dont die if you lose

 

[moppe]

Score one for mother nature. If he was a camper, that would be one thing,. but a hunter, well, he played the game and he lost.

Yep, he was out hunting moose, or elk, dunno what it's called.
He shot first, and the bear is lurking around his body right now.
I wonder why his dog didn't react?

 

[h00dlum]

yeah i saw that in the paper today..sad about his death but i dont like people who just hunt for "sport"..what the point?

 

[PvtRyan]

1 - 0 for Nature

Sorry, too bad for the guy, but if you go hunting and get killed, you're not getting my sympathy. If you piss off a bear, bear kills you, simpel logic. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

I'm in fact more saddened that this bear is gonna get killed for doing its normal nature stuff, you CANT blame the bear.

 

[moppe]

1 - 0 for Nature

Sorry, too bad for the guy, but if you go hunting and get killed, you're not getting my sympathy. If you piss off a bear, bear kills you, simpel logic. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

I'm in fact more saddened that this bear is gonna get killed for doing its normal nature stuff, you CANT blame the bear.

Hunting moose, and a bear can attack without reason. Just to kill.

 

[moppe]

yeah i saw that in the paper today..sad about his death but i dont like people who just hunt for "sport"..what the point?

I don't know where you live, but at his town people go hunt for moose cause you get gigantic amounts of "free" top-quality meat that will last for the whole winter.

It ain't for sport, and the numbers of moose (elk?) needs to be controlled.

 

[CptStern]

Hunting moose, and a bear can attack without reason. Just to kill.

no, bears rarely attack without provocation (depending which species - grizzlies will attack, but they're rare) I'm assuming it was a black bear? Maybe it was protecting it's young ...anyways moose hunting or pigeon shooting, you play the game you take your chances

It ain't for sport, and the numbers of moose (elk?) needs to be controlled.

you have to ask yourself why the population needs to be controlled? are all the predators gone? (wolves ..as is the case in canada) or is it because the animals have lost their habitat and there's no where else to go? maybe this is natures way of saying there's too many hunters out there and decided population control was in order :E

 

[HunterSeeker]

I'm in fact more saddened that this bear is gonna get killed for doing its normal nature stuff, you CANT blame the bear.

Bears can attack and kill without warning, seemlingly unprovoked.

And the bear will most likely die anyway, it is shot it will probubly catch an infection. Killing it just saves it the suffering.

 

[Neutrino]

Like Stern said, Grizzlies can be quite dangerious, but black bears are actually quite timid and hardly ever injure humans. I know as I've lived around them most of my life. The only real danger from them is a mother and her cubs or a camp ground bear that has gotten to used to people.

I had one stick it's head through our cat door once. Was a slightly surprising sight when I walked into the kitchen. Had to chase the thing away with some pots and pans.

 

[CptStern]

I had one stick it's head through our cat door once. Was a slightly surprising sight when I walked into the kitchen. Had to chase the thing away with some pots and pans.

hehhe if not for the fact it probably scared the crap outta you, I'd say "awwww cute"

 

[moppe]

no, bears rarely attack without provocation (depending which species - grizzlies will attack, but they're rare) I'm assuming it was a black bear? Maybe it was protecting it's young ...anyways moose hunting or pigeon shooting, you play the game you take your chances



you have to ask yourself why the population needs to be controlled? are all the predators gone? (wolves ..as is the case in canada) or is it because the animals have lost their habitat and there's no where else to go? maybe this is natures way of saying there's too many hunters out there and decided population control was in order :E

All natural predators are still here, such as wolf and wolverines. But we have a huge amount of moose, and they kill dozens of people every year in traffic. And to many mooses, means to many wolfs and wolverine. I always go armed when I'm in the woods, this is why.

This was a brownbear.

 

[Neutrino]

hehhe if not for the fact it probably scared the crap outta you, I'd say "awwww cute"

He was kinda cute.

Didn't really scary me so much as just startled me because I thought it was our dog so I walked up to the door thinking I'd let him in.

 

[h00dlum]

I don't know where you live, but at his town people go hunt for moose cause you get gigantic amounts of "free" top-quality meat that will last for the whole winter.

It ain't for sport, and the numbers of moose (elk?) needs to be controlled.

I live in Västmandland, I can understand that hunting is more important in Norrland but here its just a macho thing to do.

 

[moppe]

I live in Västmandland, I can understand that hunting is more important in Norrland but here its just a macho thing to do.

Ah.
Well, I'm guessing that some do it for the machothing, but when I go hunting, one moose will give me the most delicious meat for free in a year.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Wow, some of you are really insensative. Since you don't live in the area, I wouldn't judge the man who is now dead so harshly as I'm quite sure you don't understand the situation. I don't live their either, but I know a man died and I doubt he did anything to 'deserve' it, and its not my place to say anyway.


Edit: I'd also like to add something. How is a human hunting for food any different than a 'natural'(I place those marks there, because are we not 'natural' predators to many, if not now, all animals?) predator doing so? We use guns? We are supposed to be more refined than the animals?

 

[CptStern]

who cries for the bear cubs that are usually orphaned because of bear hunts. What about the other animals that are caught in the traps set for the bears? what about the diminishing habitat of these animals, that's directly responisble for animals coming into populated regions.

Might not be the rule across the pond but here in canada many black bears are hunted for their spleen, gall bladder and other organs to be sold overseas at a huge profit. These hunters are indiscrimate, they'll get just as much money for a female bear as a male ..even if it's a mother or a young adult.

here's an article about the inhumane practices of some bear hunters

Sorry i dont have sympathy for hunters, a man may have died but thousands of animals die needlessly due to hunting. Heck you can even pay to hunt an animal on endangered species list on private game farms, most of these exotic animals are formerly from zoos. Sure there are some hunters who respect the animal they hunt but it's still a sport, not a means of survival

 

[moppe]

who cries for the bear cubs that are usually orphaned because of bear hunts. Might not be the rule across the pond but here in canada many black bears are hunted for their spleen, gall bladder and other organs to be sold overseas at a huge profit. These hunters are indiscrimate, they'll get just as much money for a female bear as a male ..even if it's a mother.

Sorry i dont have sympathy for hunters, a man may have died but thousands of animals die needlessly due to hunting. Heck you can even pay to hunt an animal on endangered species list on private game farms, most of these exotic animals are formerly from zoos. Sure there are some hunters who respect the animal they hunt but it's still a sport, not a means of survival

But now we aren't talking about illegal hunting for the bears intestines, but for keeping the amount of moose down.

 

[CptStern]

yes but culling of animals is not a solution

 

[moppe]

yes but culling of animals is not a solution

Sorry, but what is culling?
If you mean killing, what else is there to do? Export them to germany since they already buy mooseshit on bottles?

 

[CptStern]

culling is thinning of the population because of malnutrition disease over population etc.....

btw sorry for derailing this thread, that wasnt my intention

 

[gh0st]

sucks for him, as a hunter myself (though i hunt for deer and pheasant, with much less dangerous predators around... WA state, you know) i know the danger of going out. even if youre the greatest hunter, have the best gear, etc, you still take a chance every time you hunt - for whatever reason. whether your hunting for sport, food, culling, fun, you enjoy killing things, you could still die.

 

[CptStern]

no animal should ever be killed for "fun" ....your karma is black indeed gh0st

 

[KidRock]

u pansies.. i hunt whale with my bear hands.

 

[CptStern]

u pansies.. i hunt whale with my bear hands.

hmmm didnt realise the trailer park was so close to the ocean :E

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

CptStern thats all very nice but it really doesn't have anything to do with what I was saying...

 

[Neutrino]

Edit: I'd also like to add something. How is a human hunting for food any different than a 'natural'(I place those marks there, because are we not 'natural' predators to many, if not now, all animals?) predator doing so? We use guns? We are supposed to be more refined than the animals?

In the strictest sense of the word "natural" anything we do is indeed a natural act. Even if we destroy the eco system and kill off our own species it would still be natural. So when using the word in that repsect, yes it would be natural for us to hunt animals.

However, it can also be argued that we are no longer part of the natural eco system, which is for most intents true. We no longer fit in anywhere within the system. We have no natural enemies and our breeding is no longer limited by any prey population. Thus using what I would consider the more traditional use of the word, it would not be natural for us to hunt animals as we are no longer part of that ecological system or food chain.

 

[CptStern]

hmmm you mean the part you edited?

"How is a human hunting for food any different than a 'natural'(I place those marks there, because are we not 'natural' predators to many, if not now, all animals?) predator doing so? We use guns? We are supposed to be more refined than the animals?"

well believe it or not I kind of agree ....some hunters (not all) practice humane kills ....far more humane in comparison to how some animals are treated in slaughterhouses. The biggest difference between animals and humans is that animals hunt to survive, we hunt for sport

 

[moppe]

hmmm you mean the part you edited?

"How is a human hunting for food any different than a 'natural'(I place those marks there, because are we not 'natural' predators to many, if not now, all animals?) predator doing so? We use guns? We are supposed to be more refined than the animals?"

well believe it or not I kind of agree ....some hunters (not all) practice humane kills ....far more humane in comparison to how some animals are treated in slaughterhouses. The biggest difference between animals and humans is that animals hunt to survive, we hunt for sport

I have never met anyone that hunts for the fun of the sport.
If I do, I will punch this person.

 

[Neutrino]

I have never met anyone that hunts for the fun of the sport.
If I do, I will punch this person.

Might want to get started now. You have a lot of fishermen to track down.

 

[moppe]

Might want to get started now. You have a lot of fishermen to track down.

True.
I fish for good food, I hunt moose for good food.
I don't piss on their bodies when they're dead.

 

[CptStern]

True.
I fish for good food, I hunt moose for good food.
I don't piss on their bodies when they're dead.

yes but do you kill it with one shot? anything else isnt humane

 

[Neutrino]

yes but do you kill it with one shot? anything else isnt humane

Meh, nvm.

I was going to make a point, but it fell apart on further consideration. I'm too tired to think straight.

 

[moppe]

yes but do you kill it with one shot? anything else isnt humane

Well, of course. Before being a pilot, I was a sniper in the artic rangers. I'm a good shooter, but it isn't the samt thing hunting and using a sniperrifle.

Sometimes I've put it in the neck, but then I'll run after it and kill it as fast as possible. The whole huntingteam helps on hunting it down.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

yes but do you kill it with one shot? anything else isnt humane

It may not always be a possiblity to kill something with one shot. I also look back to the "animal kindgdom" at predators there. Fair play to them, they use what they have about their body but having a large cat tear into my throat would probably not be my choice over a gun. Having said that...both ways are I suspect rather painful.

 

[CptStern]

yes but hunters are taught to never take a shot unless it's a killshot ...here in canada you can have your license revoked, your possessions impounded and get slapped with heavy fines if you're caught with a kill that wasnt humanely killed (obvious bullet holes anywhere outside of the kill region). You're always supposed to shoot for the heart or brain

 

[Neutrino]

It may not always be a possiblity to kill something with one shot. I also look back to the "animal kindgdom" at predators there. Fair play to them, they use what they have about their body but having a large cat tear into my throat would probably not be my choice over a gun. Having said that...both ways are I suspect rather painful.

I'm not absolutely sure but I think big cats crush the vertebrae of the neck making it a pretty quick death.

Heh, I often pondered that when I use to walk home when it was getting dark. We have quite a few cougars in the area.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

yes but hunters are taught to never take a shot unless it's a killshot ...here in canada you can have your license revoked, your possessions impounded and get slapped with heavy fines if you're caught with a kill that wasnt humanely killed (obvious bullet holes anywhere outside of the kill region). You're always supposed to shoot for the heart or brain

yes what I meant though...is that we cannot make a perfect hit all the time...


That also links to my next point which is....niether can the big cat Sometimes due to in-experience, or a simple mistake they grab the wrong point. Other animals also may get it wrong, or simply have "worse" ways of killing. Being poisoned for instance, or suffocated.

 

[Sprafa]

We are the dominant species on Earth. We can wipe it out and move on.