I just can't wrap my head around it

Krynn72 said:
Now the arduous task of figuring out if Krynn from universe A is the evil Krynn, or if I'm the evil one.
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Thread title should be "I just can't warp my head around it."
 
Remus said:
This

Also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory

Relevant ideas from M-Theory:

-time existed before the big bang
-the universe is not unique, but one of many. A multiverse, comprised of an infinity of universes of various shapes and sizes, and possibly with varying laws of physics.
-the universe was created by chance. The theory is that at the exit point of a black hole, mater expands, into a big bang, and a whole new universe is born. The funnel of a black hole essentially being like an umbilical cord.
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I've heard other black hole theories mentioning that black holes aren't really holes at all, but a super dense dead star much more powerful than even a neutron star with a gravitational field so great that even light cannot escape, thus distorting the space time continuum in it's immediate perimeter, (because it's super dense spherical matter, not a hole) making it appear to actually be no larger than a marble if observed in person.

That is if it wasn't a ball of matter, then you would inevitably pass through the event horizon where you'd get swallowed into oblivion and then into the next universe as suggested or if it was just a ball of matter, you'd just get utterly smashed to smithereens on a sub-atomic level by the immense gravity upon contact. (gravity so great it can keep billions of star clusters and systems in it's orbit) Either theory would suck pretty bad if observed and experienced in person.

Also, ITT Samon is a troll. :arms:
 
Isn't there a theory that a black hole pulls in matter, and from the remnants a new star, or planet, or other celestial body is formed?
 
Guys, I have a theorypothesis.

Time doesn't exist - ego does.

[edit] Also, @McGoo: That wouldn't work, because the forces that repel atoms from one another aren't strong enough at large enough distances to force a black hole to repel itself out of its own event horizon. Black holes are more likely the centers of galaxies and other celestial nebulae, slowly accumulating mass since whichever point they were created after the Big Bang/other catalytic moment.
 
Stigmata said:
Guys, I have a theorypothesis.

Time doesn't exist - ego does.

[edit] Also, @McGoo: That wouldn't work, because the forces that repel atoms from one another aren't strong enough at large enough distances to force a black hole to repel itself out of its own event horizon. Black holes are more likely the centers of galaxies and other celestial nebulae, slowly accumulating mass since whichever point they were created after the Big Bang/other catalytic moment.
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Pretty much, yeah. Also, galaxies are formed in the first place because of a black hole's gravity. It's gravity is too great to form a celestial body like a planet or a single star, rather it gathers celestial bodies from outside the boundaries if it's gravity well over a period of billions of years. It's the same principle to how a single star captures stuff in it's gravity field to form a system, but on a much larger scale. All the celestial bodies in our galaxy are orbiting that one black hole. (or a super concentrated, super dense ball of mass)

Furthermore, it is said that they are formed when a powerful star such as a blue giant collapses when it can no longer sustain it's mass within it's own gravity field due to burning up all it's fuel so fast in a short period of time. (short period of time anyways for a star of such magnitude)
 
I find its make much more sense logically to suggest a higher creator, rather than just a massively complex universe appearing out nothing suddenly, its like saying you are just driving down the road and then suddenly an elephant appears in the middle of the road, in layman's terms.

The universe is a physical presence and therefore had to have a physical catalyst, where it be blackholes, gravity and what have you, they all had to come from somewhere, forces of nature cannot just magic into existence by themselves. And ok if there is a multiverse, where the hell did all those other universe's come from? If the universe is infinite (which anyway has be proven against) then why can't god be infinite? Actually it makes more sense to suggest that god is infinite, rather than the universe, because god is supernatural, physical laws don't apply.

The idea of ANYTHING appears from nothing, never mind something like the universe, I find absurd quite frankly. Take it how you will.
 
Lets just assume we're living in a 100% believable computer simulation on some alien's laptop; a single universe surrounded by noclip brushes and a 'space' sky map, all designed this way by that same being.

That, my friends, is our true almighty God!
 
Colonel Kernel said:
Lets just assume we're living in a 100% believable computer simulation on some alien's laptop; a single universe surrounded by noclip brushes and a 'space' sky map, all designed this way by that same being.
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Mmmm, no. Let's not.
 
Shift said:
The idea of ANYTHING appears from nothing, never mind something like the universe, I find absurd quite frankly. Take it how you will.
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Anything apart from God, apparently :rolleyes:
 
God is infinite and is a supernatural being, the universe isn't.
 
Shift said:
I find its make much more sense logically to suggest a higher creator, rather than just a massively complex universe appearing out nothing suddenly, its like saying you are just driving down the road and then suddenly an elephant appears in the middle of the road, in layman's terms.
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NO NO NO. An infinitely simple universe appeared from the big bang then rapidly developed over time into the massively complex Universe we observe today. So a more accurate analogy would be, a subatomic particle suddenly appearing in the middle of the road.

Also what Ejit said.
 
Shift said:
God is infinite and is a supernatural being, the universe isn't.
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Says who? Which "holy book" written by primitive men? Because they aren't exactly reliable evidence. Do you have any real evidence to back up such a claim?
 
Eejit said:
Says who? Which "holy book" written by primitive men? Because they aren't exactly reliable evidence. Do you have any real evidence to back up such a claim?
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We're talking to a brick wall... but here goes anyway.

Shift... if a god exists outside of space-time (multiverse) and is not subject to logic or the laws of physics, it would not only make he/she/it's existence impossible to prove, but it would also make the descriptions in any religious text irrelevant. According to this, god could be anything from a bearded old man, to a flying pink unicorn, or the spaghetti monster.
 
I think you mean Invisible Pink Unicorn, but yeah.
 
Eejit said:
Anything apart from God, apparently :rolleyes:
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God has this pretty big thing about emphasising how Perfect He is. If God divulged to His simpleton "Herp derp I can only perceive the physical realm" creations the exact details of who created Him, it could open the way to finding an imperfection of God.

A weakness of God.

There's enough corrupted souls as it is, not to mention the apparently building battle that'll eventually break between God and Lucifer. I doubt God would want them trying to actively exploit His weakness and overthrow/kill Him before that all happens.

idkjustmentalmasturbation
 
Clearly His weakness is Apples.
 
Trying to conceptualise 'god' with some kind of personification is like trying lick your own elbow.
Even if you think you have succeeded you still seem retarded to me.
 
Druckles said:
You can't dismiss its ability to fly, just because you don't believe
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Yeah! I say it flies! Why do I believe the flying pink unicorn exists? Because the holy book says so, and everything written in the book is the absolute truth because it's the word of the flying pink unicorn.
 
Well obviously it can fly, but it's main characteristics are being paradoxically both invisible and pink.
"Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of great spiritual power. We know this because they are capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them."
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Krynn72 said:
What if there never was nothing, and there is no such thing as a non-existent universe.


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I think you need to smoke DMT, Krynn.
 
Shift said:
I find its make much more sense logically to suggest a higher creator, rather than just a massively complex universe appearing out nothing suddenly, its like saying you are just driving down the road and then suddenly an elephant appears in the middle of the road, in layman's terms.
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You can't call something out for being improbable and say that it needs something vastly more improbable to create it. You are shooting down your own argument here and no, saying this new vastly improbable thing happens to be magic doesn't make it less stupid.
Shift said:
The universe is a physical presence and therefore had to have a physical catalyst, where it be blackholes, gravity and what have you, they all had to come from somewhere, forces of nature cannot just magic into existence by themselves.
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You say that but then go onto invoke the biggest most magic man possible.

We can observe things coming from nothing in the form of quantum fluctuations in a vacuum, particles will pop in an out of existence but the net energy of the fluctuation remains zero. It is possible for the universe to arise from nothing if the net energy is zero, no magic needed.
Shift said:
And ok if there is a multiverse, where the hell did all those other universe's come from? If the universe is infinite (which anyway has be proven against) then why can't god be infinite? Actually it makes more sense to suggest that god is infinite, rather than the universe, because god is supernatural, physical laws don't apply.
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1. Find problem.
2. Fail to solve problem.
3. Make up a god.
4. Give the god magical properties that solve problem.
5. Post on halflife2.net
Shift said:
The idea of ANYTHING appears from nothing, never mind something like the universe, I find absurd quite frankly. Take it how you will.
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Things do come from nothing, this has been demonstrated and isn't debatable so you are quite frankly wrong.
 
Multiverse theory is the dumbest pile of shit ever invented by the internet. You say that there are other universes in existence just like our own, only we can't see them, or interact with them. So how do they exist again?

It is exactly the same as saying that you have 3 dicks and then quietly mentioning that they can't be seen or touched or interact with the universe in any way. That means they don't exist.

You all need to go back to grade school philosophy and try to come up with a definition for existence.

The multiverse is "out there" just like your other 2 penises.
 
Here's a better way to put it: The only thing defining existence is perception. What you don't experience, either directly or indirectly does not exist. If you don't feel some effect from it, then it has no bearing or impact on you. Hence, it is exactly the same as something which does not exist.

Pretty much the entire universe is interdependent as we know it. Everything has cause and effect and spacial interactions. That means that pretty much the entire universe through space and time comes to bear on your life. That also means that you are as complex as the universe. Your experience is the perception of the universe. To know yourself completely is to know everything. Religions call it Zen or Nirvana, and it is a pretty simple and self apparent concept. Also, a second implication is that to understand yourself completely is to lose your identity, because if you see the entire universe within you is the same as expanding your identity to include everything. Hence, you cease to exist.

Many have tried for lifetimes to achieve such a state, trying to simplify their existence and perceptions to get at one single core concept.

Imagine someone with no memory, no senses, no inputs at all. Their identity is their universe. Everything that they perceive (which may be nothing) is from within themselves. This person is in essence a non-entity... (sorry meant to write more but got distracted, gotta go)

I don't think Zen is actually possible, because that would mean a mathematical system which contains within itself all of the information of itself, meaning an infinite amount of redundant information.

I know it sounds hocus pocus, but it's all very logical.
 
Dan, I don't think the multiverse theory was invented by the internet. It was invented by scientists, I believe as a result of string theory (I could be wrong on the string theory part). And if we're lucky the LHC will actually prove these other universes.

Also, Hawking never said there was no God. He simply said that you don't need one to have a universe.

I think this awesome lecture talks about what Stigma said earlier in the thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
 
Dan said:
I know it sounds hocus pocus, but it's all very logical.
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I love how you call multiverse theory a pile of shit, then you come with this Zen crap and call it logical. Well played sir well played.

You're the classic example of: "I don't understand this theory therefore it's stupid".
 
Remus said:
I love how you call multiverse theory a pile of shit, then you come with this Zen crap and call it logical. Well played sir well played.

You're the classic example of: "I don't understand this theory therefore it's stupid".
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Okay, so what is our universe? Define it. I would say that it's everything that exists. I think most people use the same definition. So what exists? Anything that is in our universe? Whoops, that's circular. So what exists? Anything that interacts with something already in our universe. Okay, so what is a parallel universe? It is a completely separate set of interactions that do not interact with our universe. If it did interact with our universe, then they would both be part of the same universe. So does a parallel universe exist? No, it is in the same realm as pink unicorns. The things that do not exist.
 
Dan said:
Okay, so what is our universe? Define it. I would say that it's everything that exists. I think most people use the same definition. So what exists? Anything that is in our universe? Whoops, that's circular. So what exists? Anything that interacts with something already in our universe. Okay, so what is a parallel universe? It is a completely separate set of interactions that do not interact with our universe. If it did interact with our universe, then they would both be part of the same universe. So does a parallel universe exist? No, it is in the same realm as pink unicorns. The things that do not exist.
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You seem hung up on the word universe. Originally when we came up with that word we thought the universe was very small (relatively speaking) and that there was only one encompassing everything we see.

Since that time the word hasn't changed but our understanding has. We can't see electrons or atoms. But we can safely infer they exist. The same can be said about parallel universes. If we smash 2 atoms at immense energy and parts of that atom disappear we can then safely infer multiple universes do in fact exist as those parts had to go somewhere. We might not be able to see it, but we'll know it's there. And I don't know about you, but I think that's pretty damn cool and mind blowing.
 
No Limit said:
You seem hung up on the word universe. Originally when we came up with that word we thought the universe was very small (relatively speaking) and that there was only one encompassing everything we see.

Since that time the word hasn't changed but our understanding has. We can't see electrons or atoms. But we can safely infer they exist. The same can be said about parallel universes. If we smash 2 atoms at immense energy and parts of that atom disappear we can then safely infer multiple universes do in fact exist as those parts had to go somewhere. We might not be able to see it, but we'll know it's there. And I don't know about you, but I think that's pretty damn cool and mind blowing.
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I have never thought the universe was very small. I have always understood it to mean everything. If the atoms go someplace where they no longer interact in any way with anything else in this universe, then they have in essence disappeared. They went to the same place you go when you die. You can call it nothing, you can call it a magical land of happiness, or you can call it hell. But it is all the same because it doesn't affect the universe in any way. It doesn't matter. To postulate a separate universe for those atoms is the same as postulating asomething out of nothing. I can describe an infinite number of self contained universes that also do not exist.

And for the record, I do consider that electrons and atoms are part of our universe. I do not consider them to exist in a separate universe, and I don't think anyone else does either. If you think that electrons and atoms exist in a separate or parallel universe just because we don't see them, then your definition of the word universe is very far removed from mine. Do bacteria get their own universe?
 
No theory is too crazy, I mean, the idea of space itself is as crazy as it gets...
 
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