I love the British, you guys have balls

That guy is just a twat, he just stands for causing trouble. Everyone seems to be obcessed with making their own party so they can promote themselves, it does no good for anyone.
 
No Limit said:
Here is Galloway's testimony to American Republicans.

http://www.edwardsdavid.com/BushVideos/msnbc_uk_galloway_blisters_us_on_iraq_050517-01.mp3

If our leaders had these kind of balls this world would be a much better place.
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You need to watch Prime Ministers Questions sometime. People boo and shout all the time.

George Galloway actually had a pretty good defence. I listened to this live on the radio, and they were talking (before hand) about how the British style of politics is more "combatant" and how it's quite polite in America.

And, although he had a good defence, it doesn't mean he's not a complete prat.

EDIT: And I was under the impression that this wasn't a Republican commitee, but it had 7 Repulicans and 6 Democrats.
 
I caught an episode of Question Time on the BBC not too long ago, and the difference in British politics as compared to American politics is quite amazing. They had Tony Blair on as the guest, and the audience, as well as the host, hammered him. People were booing, cheering, heckling, laughing- it was almost surreal for me. He was forced to answer questions. It wouldn't happen in the US. Someone even called him Tony instead of Mr. Prime Minister. I couldn’t see that here.
 
qckbeam said:
I caught an episode of Question Time on the BBC not too long ago, and the difference in British politics as compared to American politics is quite amazing. They had Tony Blair on as the guest, and the audience, as well as the host, hammered him. People were booing, cheering, heckling, laughing- it was almost surreal for me. He was forced to answer questions. It wouldn't happen in the US. Someone even called him Tony instead of Mr. Prime Minister. I couldn’t see that here.
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Well, nobody would ever call him Mr. Prime Minister. Prime Minister is an office, not a title, so he would be known as the Prime Minster, but never Prime Minister Blair. So, whenever we refer to him, we say "Tony Blair" or "Mr Blair".

So whenever you see "Prime Minister Blair" in the news or whatnot, it's wrong.
 
Feath said:
Well, nobody would ever call him Mr. Prime Minister. Prime Minister is an office, not a title, so he would be known as the Prime Minster, but never Prime Minister Blair. So, whenever we refer to him, we say "Tony Blair" or "Mr Blair".

So whenever you see "Prime Minister Blair" in the news or whatnot, it's wrong.
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Ahh, well I didn't know that. Thank you :)
 
No wonder Tony Blair's got a dodgy ticker.

Still, it's all in the name of decent democracy, that's the price he'll have to pay.
 
Feath said:
EDIT: And I was under the impression that this wasn't a Republican commitee, but it had 7 Repulicans and 6 Democrats.
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Yeah, but the Republicans are the ones hammering him. I want to actually watch the whole thing and watch the Republicans squirm.

I listened to this live on the radio, and they were talking (before hand) about how the British style of politics is more "combatant" and how it's quite polite in America.
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Politics here is not polite, it has nothing to do with politeness. What it's about is American politics not having the balls to actually stand up to their opposition. This is especially true with this white house where the president will not have regularly scheduled press confrences, the press room is packed with his supporters, pressure is put on those reporters as they want access to Iraq, those reporters are screened, and the president refuses to anwser simple questions from Democrats in congress. It is an insult to democracy.
 
I agree with the guy who said Galloway is a total twat, and I think he may even be guilty of whatever he's accused of (I hear he really was good pals with Saddam before the crap hit the fan) but I really think we need guys like him - ie, troublemakers and political shitstirrers - in politics.

We also have a long tradition in the UK of making our authority figures answerable to the public, and in the present situation where there is so much spin, sycophantism and propaganda coming out of government, I think it is really really healthy to have someone like Galloway on the far end of the spectrum, balancing things up. I was glad Galloway got voted in for Bethnal Green & Bow over Blair's muppet, and now I want to see him sling some mud during Prime Minister's Questions. Still don't like the guy, but it's all about balance, and people like Galloway help maintain a balance that is on the whole beneficial to all ofus outside politics.

Twats like Kilroy-Silk are another matter, though....
 
Laivasse said:
I agree with the guy who said Galloway is a total twat, and I think he may even be guilty of whatever he's accused of (I hear he really was good pals with Saddam before the crap hit the fan) but I really think we need guys like him - ie, troublemakers and political shitstirrers - in politics.

We also have a long tradition in the UK of making our authority figures answerable to the public, and in the present situation where there is so much spin, sycophantism and propaganda coming out of government, I think it is really really healthy to have someone like Galloway on the far end of the spectrum, balancing things up. I was glad Galloway got voted in for Bethnal Green & Bow over Blair's muppet, and now I want to see him sling some mud during Prime Minister's Questions. Still don't like the guy, but it's all about balance, and people like Galloway help maintain a balance that is on the whole beneficial to all ofus outside politics.

Twats like Kilroy-Silk are another matter, though....
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I agree with you fully. I don't have a lot of respect for the guy in what he has done but you have to admit, the kind of debate he offers is something we desperately need.
 
Well apperantly Coleman and Levin decided to end the hearing as they couldn't handle the pressure. American politics, this is just insulting.
 
qckbeam said:
I caught an episode of Question Time on the BBC not too long ago, and the difference in British politics as compared to American politics is quite amazing. They had Tony Blair on as the guest, and the audience, as well as the host, hammered him. People were booing, cheering, heckling, laughing- it was almost surreal for me. He was forced to answer questions. It wouldn't happen in the US. Someone even called him Tony instead of Mr. Prime Minister. I couldn’t see that here.
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Thats why I always found the debates between presidential candidates hilarious. People made such a big thing over them there... but here you can turn on the Parlimentary channel on Sky TV, and see politicians arguing, laughing, going "arurrrrr" 24 hours a day. The Prime minister regularly gets into debates with the opposition, and it isn't necessarily all prepared beforehand, and who gets to talk is decided on the spot.
 
The problem with most politicians and thier followers is that they are to one sided. Democrats cannot listen to anything the Republicans say. Republicans cannot listen to anything the Democrats say. Thier side is always right, and the other side is always wrong. Nobody thinks to take into account that both sides could be right, and both could be wrong. People jump to conclusions without hearing both sides of the story.
 
Our politics is a hilarious mish-mash of stuff, some of which is more down to tradition than actual law.

One thing confused me - why is George Galloway being interrogated by the Senate? Surely this should be done by an international tribunal or by the Iraqis themselves?
 
Yeah, he's a twat, and if he's guilty he should be punished. I mean, if Saddam made money off of deals with Galloway then Galloway is basically an accessory to all of Saddam's crimes. (Although, I too am confused with it being a US thing as opposed to an international thing.)

But as far as his speech is concerned, he has a point.
 
The BBC's take on the whole thing is that the Galloway tribunal is just one part of a larger campaign by the US govt to discredit all the naysayers regarding the Iraq war.Apparently they're going to try show up German and French parties who were allegedly dealing under the table with Saddam, and they're even going to try and sling some mud at Kofi Anan, all to do with undermining the sanctions.

Which is probably why it isn't an international thing, since it's defined very much by US interests alone.
 
Thing is, France and Russia did do dirty deals...

Anyway.. I like British politics, like someone said, it's so combatent, and I like the idea of random debates.. I'd like to get into politics some day.. :D
 
el Chi said:
Our politics is a hilarious mish-mash of stuff, some of which is more down to tradition than actual law.

One thing confused me - why is George Galloway being interrogated by the Senate? Surely this should be done by an international tribunal or by the Iraqis themselves?
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He's not being tried, this is just a report by a committee.
 
Feath said:
Well, nobody would ever call him Mr. Prime Minister. Prime Minister is an office, not a title, so he would be known as the Prime Minster, but never Prime Minister Blair. So, whenever we refer to him, we say "Tony Blair" or "Mr Blair".

So whenever you see "Prime Minister Blair" in the news or whatnot, it's wrong.
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Journalists always call our prime minister by first name.
 
is that guy even British, i smell a slight middle eastern accent in that?

that is not meant to be racist in any way btw..
 
KoreBolteR said:
is that guy even British, i smell a slight middle eastern accent in that?

that is not meant to be racist in any way btw..
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He is as British as Vindaloo.

And to become British, you need to be born with balls of steel, if not, you're shipped off to Wales :p.


From what he is saying, it sounds like CptStern.
 
KoreBolteR said:
is that guy even British, i smell a slight middle eastern accent in that?

that is not meant to be racist in any way btw..
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Well, he's kinda Middle-Eastern Scottish. He's from Dundee. Which is know by my flatmates as "Scumdee".
 
Razor said:
He is as British as Vindaloo.

And to become British, you need to be born with balls of steel, if not, you're shipped off to Wales :p.


From what he is saying, it sounds like CptStern.
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EH!?! another dig at wales :bonce:

/me turns red with anger

:E j/k
 
One thing I don't understand about US politics is the lack of accountability; I was listening to a senate floor speech by Boxer, who was addressing Condi, and essentially laying the shit down, and Condi was saying, are you calling into question my honestly? Evidently Boxer was, but she chose to simply stick to the facts rather than what the facts meant to keep from offending the addressee.

That, to me, is ****in' dumb. It's like saying, 'I'll keep my profile low because you're in power and you call the shots'. That's not how democracy works.
 
ComradeBadger said:
Thing is, France and Russia did do dirty deals...
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Didn't we all? One day it's fashionable to sell arms to one questionable desot, the next day it's this other guy... It's so hard to keep up!
 
The reason the US sold arms to Iraq was because they were the good guys. That is, until Saddam went Crazy. Was it right to sell them arms? No. Was it worse for France and Russia to make deals with Iraq to keep Saddam in power and the US off his back? Yes.
 
Dag said:
The reason the US sold arms to Iraq was because they were the good guys. That is, until Saddam went Crazy. Was it right to sell them arms? No. Was it worse for France and Russia to make deals with Iraq to keep Saddam in power and the US off his back? Yes.
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Went crazy? Oh, please. Is that the next excuse?
First it's WMD. Next it's Freedom and Democracy. Now it's Saddam's gone crazy.
He was just as crazy when you supported him.

He 'went crazy' during the war with Iran, which led to the US applauding him on.
 
Dag said:
The reason the US sold arms to Iraq was because they were the good guys.
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US foreign policy in a nutshell.

quick EDIT: For those taking my statement literally; stfu.
 
Dag said:
The reason the US sold arms to Iraq was because they were the good guys. That is, until Saddam went Crazy. Was it right to sell them arms? No. Was it worse for France and Russia to make deals with Iraq to keep Saddam in power and the US off his back? Yes.
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Saddam was the a "good guy". He never "went crazy" either; he was incredibly oppressive right from the start. The reason the US funded him was exactly the same as the reason the US funds any country, or any other super power (like Russia) funds someone; because they were of political use at the time.
Iraq was a good way to get at Iran without breaking the rules of limited warfare.


On the issue of Galloway, I have to say I support him in this. I don't neccesarily like him, but he certainly had the guts to stand up the his accusers. Personally, I think a lot of the accusations are designed to discredit him as a way of revenge for his breaking off from the Labour party and being so vocal about his opposition to Tony Blair.
 
el Chi said:
Didn't we all? One day it's fashionable to sell arms to one questionable desot, the next day it's this other guy... It's so hard to keep up!
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Indeed, I'm not denying that, I'm just saying countries do **** all altruistically.

:D
 
No Limit said:
Yeah, but the Republicans are the ones hammering him. I want to actually watch the whole thing and watch the Republicans squirm.
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The guy questioning him was a democrat. Interestingly, The commitee contains the one Republican senator that voted against the Iraq War.
 
Gorgeous George was brilliant today. I'm not a fan of the man, but this was prolly his finest hour. Great opening statement.
 
ComradeBadger said:
Indeed, I'm not denying that, I'm just saying countries do **** all altruistically.

:D
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Well then I shall set up my OWN nation state, that shall be known as Elchistonia! It shall be the sole bastion of good will and kind-heartedness! It shall spread hapiness throughout its verdant hills and be good to its subjects! It shall only ever work out of principle and goodness! It shall be a beacon of hope in the international sea of despair! Its subjects shall be free and happy and hot and naked!
All hail Chi, the glorious leader of this brave new world!​
 
el Chi said:
Well then I shall set up my OWN nation state, that shall be known as Elchistonia! It shall be the sole bastion of good will and kind-heartedness! It shall spread hapiness throughout its verdant hills and be good to its subjects! It shall only ever work out of principle and goodness! It shall be a beacon of hope in the international sea of despair! Its subjects shall be free and happy and hot and naked!
All hail Chi, the glorious leader of this brave new world!​
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Here you go:

www.nationstates.net :thumbs:
 
kirovman said:
If you just goto the www.nationstates.net homepage there should be an option "Create a Nation". After you have made your nation you can opt to join the crowbar gulf region, where we all are.
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Oh, I wanna play.
 
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