if it wasn't for England..... (about Catholic Chruch)

That's all true enough. But doesn't that whole idea of believing something without reason lend itself very well to abuses? Doesn't it lend itself very well to causing problems?

Of course it does. And it can lead to believing things without proof over things that do.
But as long as people don't try to enforce those beliefs on others or legislate based on them that's fine with me, because there are always going to be people who'll believe whatever they like regardless of evidence, and we aren't going to change that any time soon.
 
I guess? :p

I wasn't really arguing with that. I'm just not enamoured of organisations and systems that formalise varieties of "believing regardless of evidence" into entire creeds. And it's worth realising that the oppression of those creeds upon others is a fundamental function of their precepts.

But we seem to be repeating ourselves.
 
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