If they nuke US, We should nuke their Holy Sites

Lemonking · Jul 23, 2005

diplomacy with terror????

this about the buke the US=we nuke them that what it means
how can even think deplomacy can solve the problems

Gray Fox · Jul 23, 2005

Yes but the rightwingers don't care what the world thinks, Iraq proved that. And they don't care for the lives of innocent people, they proved that to.

Pesmerga · Jul 23, 2005

If someone nukes the US, retallation should never be invoked in the form of other nukes.

Solaris · Jul 23, 2005

If a group of terrorists bombed us, whats the point in us bombing some citys that dont support the terrorists, then wed be just as bad.

Ye I know, we already are :|

DEATH eVADER · Jul 23, 2005

Pesmerga said:
If someone nukes the US, retallation should never be invoked in the form of other nukes.

Who ever doesn't agree with Persmerga needs a good slap in the face

el Chi · Jul 23, 2005

I haven't read the prevailing drift of the thread - although I can guess what it's degraded into - but regarding the first post:
That's the most retarded suggestion I've heard in a very very long time. And from a congressman, of all people. Is it just me, or would you expect someone in that position of pwer to have had the level of education (perhaps sommon sense is too much to ask for) to result in the very simple mental process needed to realise that the "idea" he "threw out there" (he was just brainstorming, people) was an incredibly bad one. An immensely, unfathomably bad idea.
Not only that, but for someone who speaks for a multitude of people, he's basically rounding up terrorists and Muslims into one big, happy, race label! Hooray!
Honest to God, is it not possible to get that guy thrown out of office!? This man is getting paid by the country's money, right?
Bloody hell.

Kangy · Jul 23, 2005

I dunno, it depends. If it was like the Cold War, it made sense to know that should you hit the Big Red Button, they would too. Nukes, however bizarrely, are the first thing that effectively mean that there's a gun pointed to the head of every rival out there, at the same time as having several guns pointed at your own head. In the event that a rival strikes first, fire back with everything you have.

In the event of a terrorist attack, though, fighting fire with fire doesn't work, because often, it's just 20 or so men, acting alone on their own crazy beliefs. Wiping out cities isn't a punishment or deterrant for future atrocities, because they might already be dead, or they may have no tie to the city at all. Heck, with the crazy fueds some have, it might be favourable for the US to nuke a city with a population hostile to your group.

gh0st · Jul 23, 2005

And how should we exactly react when we're nuked? Hold a press conference, form an Islamic understanding tribunal? What a bunch of spineless pussies. Let your ****ing lives be run by a bunch of terrorist scum. If they nuke America and kill hundreds of thousands, millions, tens of millions of people, then **** it. I would totally support wiping out the middle east. Its not worth it at that point to find a way around it. Obliterate them and start the hell over. Why stop at religious sites? Just drop a nuclear bomb in every single Afghan cave, every house, every building. Then carpet bomb them into oblivion and nuke them again for good measure. Completely logical. Dependant upon how many nuclear chemical, biological weapons are used on American soil, we will send X amount of nuclear tipped cruise missiles headed their way.

To the people who think its a bad idea to fight back after we get nuked, what is it you suggest? That we bend over and take a big ol dirty bomb right up the colon? That's bullshit. "Send covert commandos to kill teh terrorists lol". **** that.

Pesmerga · Jul 23, 2005

In a sense I kind of agree with gh0st. But in another sense I know there's millions of innocent lives there.

Can't really say if we should act humanely or effeciently.

gh0st · Jul 23, 2005

They dont give a shit that they may have killed a million innocent people. They dont give a shit that they killed 3000 people a few years ago. When we demolish their motive, what else are they going to do? Destroy the breeding ground of terror.

DEATH eVADER · Jul 24, 2005

el Chi said:
Is it just me, or would you expect someone in that position of pwer to have had the level of education (perhaps sommon sense is too much to ask for) to result in the very simple mental process needed to realise that the "idea" he "threw out there" (he was just brainstorming, people) was an incredibly bad one.

Are you sure his credentials are authentic? The problem is that Al-quaeda know that the US president, Congress and the Senate are irrational, and they are using that to their advantage.

It seems Bin Laden has been reading up on Sun-Tzu's the Art of War
But I recommend Zapp Brannigan's Big book of war

Pesmerga · Jul 24, 2005

DEATH eVADER said:
But I recommend Zapp Brannigan's Big book of war

He's probably my favorite character, next to Zoidberg.

T.H.C.138 · Jul 24, 2005

I agree with both gh0st's and Pesmerga's last posts...

why are we (Americans) the only ones who HAVE to be "Politically Correct"?

why didn't the WORLD stand up for the atrocities performed on the Iraqi olympic team?

the whole UN + rest of world knew about the shit going on in Iraq and nobody cared..

f*cking terrorists...to me they are like spoiled kids who throw tantrums to get their way..beat the little SOB and teach them a bit of fear and respect..

most midlle eastern people can't read the Koran themselves and so rely on some asshole to tell them the "truth" of Islam..

and to all the people from/in the UK,you have my condolences on the way things have been for you all these last few weeks..

terrorist attacks aren't just about America...never have been...look up some history..late 70's early 80's..INTERNATIONAL flights hijacked and blown up..so forgetful this latest generation..

Kangy · Jul 24, 2005

Yes, but how does nuking their holy land punish them? If they are like spoilt children, that's like burning down the whole ****ing nursery school down as punishment because 3 kids decided to throw a tantrum in the middle of the day.

el Chi · Jul 24, 2005

gh0st said:
To the people who think its a bad idea to fight back after we get nuked, what is it you suggest? That we bend over and take a big ol dirty bomb right up the colon? That's bullshit. "Send covert commandos to kill teh terrorists lol". **** that.

You don't have to "bend over and take a big ol dirty bomb right up the colon". Retaliation is understandable, but NOT by using nuclear weapons against holy sites that stand for far more than terrorism.
Put side-by-side the number of Muslims and the number of Islamic fundamentalist terrorists - it's not as if they're a majority, by a long, long way. So then how is attacking a holy site that has meaning to millions upon millions of people justified revenge against the minority?
Even ignoring that - as you appear to be doing - the end result of a retaliation like that is only going to make things worse.

gh0st, I would've thought you'd have enough common sense to work out that what that congressman pointed out was a seriously f*cking stupid idea.

Laivasse · Jul 24, 2005

gh0st said:
And how should we exactly react when we're nuked? Hold a press conference, form an Islamic understanding tribunal? What a bunch of spineless pussies. Let your ****ing lives be run by a bunch of terrorist scum. If they nuke America and kill hundreds of thousands, millions, tens of millions of people, then **** it. I would totally support wiping out the middle east. Its not worth it at that point to find a way around it. Obliterate them and start the hell over. Why stop at religious sites? Just drop a nuclear bomb in every single Afghan cave, every house, every building. Then carpet bomb them into oblivion and nuke them again for good measure. Completely logical. Dependant upon how many nuclear chemical, biological weapons are used on American soil, we will send X amount of nuclear tipped cruise missiles headed their way.

To the people who think its a bad idea to fight back after we get nuked, what is it you suggest? That we bend over and take a big ol dirty bomb right up the colon? That's bullshit. "Send covert commandos to kill teh terrorists lol". **** that.

Don't you even care who you're 'fighting back' against? You're not this stupid.

gh0st · Jul 24, 2005

el Chi said:
You don't have to "bend over and take a big ol dirty bomb right up the colon". Retaliation is understandable, but NOT by using nuclear weapons against holy sites that stand for far more than terrorism.

I never said nuke holy sites. I said nuke the whole middle east. Retaliation baby, isnt it sweet?

Put side-by-side the number of Muslims and the number of Islamic fundamentalist terrorists - it's not as if they're a majority, by a long, long way.

Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims. By removing the middle east from the map, there will be no terrorists. Yep.

So then how is attacking a holy site that has meaning to millions upon millions of people justified revenge against the minority?

We lose a million and its too bad, but when we take a million lives its a damned atrocity.

Even ignoring that - as you appear to be doing - the end result of a retaliation like that is only going to make things worse.

Who will attack us after the middle east has been obliterated? Finland? Zimbabwe?

gh0st, I would've thought you'd have enough common sense to work out that what that congressman pointed out was a seriously f*cking stupid idea.

Well. You're wrong. His idea was a bit weak sauce for me though.

Laivasse said:
Don't you even care who you're 'fighting back' against? You're not this stupid.

Dont they care who they are fighting? The muslim world has done jack and shit about the terrorists festering in their midst. I feel they are equally to blame as the terrorists themselves. They nuke us, we nuke them. Whats unfair about that?

Laivasse · Jul 24, 2005

The guys who bombed London were from England. You gonna nuke us too?

gh0st · Jul 24, 2005

Laivasse said:
The guys who bombed London were from England. You gonna nuke us too?

Yup. :upstare:

seinfeldrules · Jul 24, 2005

Yeah, threaten people with nukes. That's REAL smart diplomacy in action.

It was merely a what if scenario.

Foxtrot · Jul 24, 2005

gh0st said:
Well. You're wrong. His idea was a bit weak sauce for me though.

Agreed, that senetor is obviously not extreme, and is a pussy.

gh0st · Jul 24, 2005

Foxtrot said:
Agreed, that senetor is obviously not extreme, and is a pussy.

yes. what a big, blubbering pussy.

Kangy · Jul 24, 2005

gh0st said:
I never said nuke holy sites. I said nuke the whole middle east. Retaliation baby, isnt it sweet?

Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims.

You really are an ignorant person!

(each word is a link to a non-Islamic terrorist group)

Tr0n · Jul 24, 2005

Ghost is just a dumbass...don't listen to him.

seinfeldrules · Jul 24, 2005

You really are an ignorant person!

(each word is a link to a non-Islamic terrorist group)

Not going to read up on all of them, but are they mainly domestic or international groups?

Ghost is just a dumbass...don't listen to him.

My mommy told me that if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it at all. Must you break into the middle of each thread with a snide comment?

gh0st · Jul 24, 2005

Kangy said:
You really are an ignorant person!

(each word is a link to a non-Islamic terrorist group)

Tr0n · Jul 24, 2005

seinfeldrules said:
Not going to read up on all of them, but are they mainly domestic or international groups?

My mommy told me that if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it at all. Must you break into the middle of each thread with a snide comment?

Well that's your mom, not mine.Also yes I do.

el Chi · Jul 24, 2005

gh0st said:
I never said nuke holy sites. I said nuke the whole middle east. Retaliation baby, isnt it sweet?

Oooooh, the WHOLE Middle East. And here I was thinking you were a f*cking moron! Whoops. Yeah sure, nuclear genocide is a perfect retaliation.

gh0st said:
Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims. By removing the middle east from the map, there will be no terrorists. Yep.

Nope. Not all terrorists are Muslims, but whatever. Also, not all Muslims live in the Middle East. Do you perhaps suggest, just to make sure you got them all, we go through all the countries with Muslim residents and "remove them" in some way? 'cause y'never know...

gh0st said:
We lose a million and its too bad, but when we take a million lives its a damned atrocity.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying.
I was never denying at any point that, should terrorists use a nuclear attack on US soil (not the most prevalent threat) claiming millions of lives, it would NOT be a catastrophe. Of course it wiould be.
However, the Western world can't very well then claim to be better by killing people it knows full well are innocent of any involvement whatsoever in the possible hope that some of the dead will have been involved.

And once again, the only result would be, not to scare terrorism into submission, but to anger those it seeks to intice and help it spread.

gh0st said:
Who will attack us after the middle east has been obliterated? Finland? Zimbabwe?

Possibly the rest of the world, seeing as your zany little plot is essentially genocide.

You amaze me, you really do. But for all the wrong reasons.

seinfeldrules · Jul 24, 2005

Also yes I do.

Well that really helps each topic along

Kangy · Jul 24, 2005

Yes, but that still doesn't justify terrorist being completely, ultimately linked to "Muslim" like you did in your post. Seriously, I refuse to even debate this, if you're so ignorant that you believe the only kind of terrorist out there is a Muslim. Just because there are more insects than mammals, fish, reptiles, birds and others doesn't mean that all animals are insects, does it?

el Chi · Jul 24, 2005

Kangy said:
Just because there are more insects than mammals, fish, reptiles, birds and others doesn't mean that all animals are insects, does it?

When did this happen, and why was I not informed, dammit?

gh0st · Jul 24, 2005

Kangy said:
Yes, but that still doesn't justify terrorist being completely, ultimately linked to "Muslim" like you did in your post. Seriously, I refuse to even debate this, if you're so ignorant that you believe the only kind of terrorist out there is a Muslim. Just because there are more insects than mammals, fish, reptiles, birds and others doesn't mean that all animals are insects, does it?

think i care about local or some japanese terrorist group that has problems with their government? i care about what is a threat to us here and now.

seinfeldrules · Jul 24, 2005

I notice you both live in England. What would your response be if London were nuked and 9/10 of the population were killed (including your family if they live there)?

Kangy · Jul 24, 2005

el Chi said:
When did this happen, and why was I not informed, dammit?

Sorry, The King has his diversity quotas that simply have to be met!

gh0st · Jul 24, 2005

el Chi said:
Oooooh, the WHOLE Middle East. And here I was thinking you were a f*cking moron! Whoops. Yeah sure, nuclear genocide is a perfect retaliation.

Ok, so its not ok for us to retaliate as they attack us. Alright, thanks for clarifying that.

Nope. Not all terrorists are Muslims, but whatever. Also, not all Muslims live in the Middle East. Do you perhaps suggest, just to make sure you got them all, we go through all the countries with Muslim residents and "remove them" in some way? 'cause y'never know...

Good idea, I'll add that to my master plan.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying.
I was never denying at any point that, should terrorists use a nuclear attack on US soil (not the most prevalent threat) claiming millions of lives, it would NOT be a catastrophe. Of course it wiould be.

Ok, so if its such a catastrophe why shouldnt we be able to react? What do you propose instead.

However, the Western world can't very well then claim to be better by killing people it knows full well are innocent of any involvement whatsoever in the possible hope that some of the dead will have been involved.

Yes we can.

And once again, the only result would be, not to scare terrorism into submission, but to anger those it seeks to intice and help it spread.

No. They'd all be dead.

Possibly the rest of the world, seeing as your zany little plot is essentially genocide.

And the terrorists zany little plot isnt genocide? Kill the white heathen westerner! Damn their technology and their freedom!

You amaze me, you really do. But for all the wrong reasons.

Means a lot.

gh0st · Jul 24, 2005

you guys are aware i'm trying to get a rise out of you. im not being serious.

Recoil · Jul 24, 2005

**** you, my girlfriend is a wiking!!!!1111one

Kangy · Jul 24, 2005

seinfeldrules said:
I notice you both live in England. What would your response be if London were nuked and 9/10 of the population were killed (including your family if they live there)?

Honestly? My reaction would be to break down and cry, and probably realise how futile trying to strike back would be. I just couldn't possibly strike back on that scale, and I wouldn't know where the hell to start. I'm not going to fly a damned plane over Syria, and act out the nuke riding scene from Dr.Strangelove out of some insane revenge lust.

Foxtrot · Jul 24, 2005

I actually agree with this, if the US is going down we mind as well nuke the middle east. If their governments don't want to activley get rid of terrorists, than they can die.

gh0st · Jul 24, 2005

Kangy said:
Honestly? My reaction would be to break down and cry, and probably realise how futile trying to strike back would be. I just couldn't possibly strike back on that scale, and I wouldn't know where the hell to start. I'm not going to fly a damned plane over Syria, and act out the nuke riding scene from Dr.Strangelove out of some insane revenge lust.

See, if, instead of crying like a schoolgirl, you just nuked everyone, you'd be way cooler.

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