Immigration

[zleppelin]

Oh yeah, and another product of multiculture in Britain is videos such as thing - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9083681522527526242&q=Sheikh+terra

A Jihadi music video called "Dirty Kuffar". Just watch it and tell me something hasn't gone wrong in British society.

Cool music, disturbing message.

 

[Gunner]

Oh yeah, and another product of multiculture in Britain is videos such as thing - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9083681522527526242&q=Sheikh+terra

A Jihadi music video called "Dirty Kuffar". Just watch it and tell me something hasn't gone wrong in British society.

That's hilariously retarded.

 

[Nemesis6]

Cool music, disturbing message.

My thoughts exactly...

 

[JNightshade]

Ok, I have one question for you - What is your opinion of organizations like Al-Muhajiroun, MPAC, and all those Islamist groups you have over there? These guys are the same ones endorsing the RESPECT nutjobs and other utter loony leftist communists, yet people do not see their agenda, and they're allowed to come with such classic remarks as:

"You will take over USA! You will take over UK! You will take over Europe! You will defeat them all! You will get victory!! You will take over Egypt! We trust in Allah!"

Or the nice guy Abu Hamza - "...What makes Allah happy? Allah is HAPPY when a kuffar get killed."

Or another guy - "Islam?s superior than the Jews, than the Christian, than the Buddhists, than the Hindus. Who ever seeks any other thing apart for Islam will never be accepted. And the Christian or Kuffar, you may think to yourself. No, No, No, they are innocent. No Kuffar is innocent."

"Multicultural" Britain has allowed this in the name of tolerance and whatnot. That is ridiculous.

You have no allegiance to your country, neither do they. But their allegiance does not belong to mankind. It belongs Allah.

In America, we have this little thing called freedom of speech. What it means is that while you may not agree with something- hell, you might think it's the vilest thing you've ever heard- you have no right to silence whomever is saying it. Personally, that's one of the few things about my country I do like.

My point is, yes, the shit you're quoting really is horrific. But (at least in my experience) that sort of thing isn't representative of the Muslim population whatsoever.

Furthermore, as vile as that stuff is, I firmly believe everyone has a right to an opinion, no matter how pathetic it is. Simply "shutting them down" as you suggest would only make them into martyrs, drive these sentiments underground, and fuel the flames of their hatred. You want to change their minds?

Try talking to them about it.

 

[Raziaar]

Most freedom of speech laws around the world prohibit certain types of freedom of speech that involves incitement of violence.

 

[JNightshade]

I don't care. What I'm trying to say here is that rather than condemning them on a videogame forum, why don't you actually talk to them about it?

 

[zleppelin]

Maybe he doesn't care that much =)

 

[delusional]

And as we Americans know, "most" Hispanics wave their flags on your face, play loud salsa music and don't bother to learn English. And as Hispanics know, "most" White Americans live in trailer parkers, watch NASCAR, wear mullets, drive an old pick up truck and would love to appear on the Jerry Springer show.

Have you been to southern california? Have you ever lived in a Hispanic populated area, cuz if you did i'd bet you'd get sick of the salsa music very soon

 

[repiV]

WTF? I haven't been able to access the site for days, from either my home or work PC. It just timed out. Yet you guys have been posting here in the meantime. Oh well, on to business...

But who is to be put to blame the most? Them, for coming over here, or us, for not paying attention enough and letting it escalate to this?

It's kinda like a game of tug of war, if you will. They will take as much as you let them have, and they will drag more than that out of you. Currently, we're giving them everything on a platter plus a number of things only the most arrogant, self-absorbed wanker would EVER ask for as an immigrant to a foreign country.
Ultimately, the buck stops with moronic politicians and far-left spheres of influence. They are only causing problems BECAUSE we allow them to. On the other hand, they are still at fault for causing the problems. Frankly, I don't want Muslims - as a cultural group - here. They add nothing to our society and take away a lot. Under Islamic law, a woman who has been raped is stoned for adultery unless four male witnesses can support her testimony. Nice. Why did we bother having the civil rights movement, if this is, according to Solaris, a "British" thing?
I'm inclined to believe that integration is essentially impossible for the vast majority of Muslims, at least ones from the Middle East and Pakistan. But we're not helping the situation.

It certainly was when I went. Awful place. Hated it.

Which parts did you visit? London is bigger than many small countries...

Here in the US we have a lot of Mexican and Hispanic immigrants, many of whom are illegal. Where do most of the current immigrants in the UK come from?

South Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Eastern Europe.

Repiv: vote far right if you're unhappy.

If I have to vote far right to vote for the voice of reason, we really ARE screwed...

I'm going to make two points here, which kind of contradict each other.


One:

Muslims are British, kebab Houses, Mosques, Asian people, Muslims, Chinese People, Asian Areas, White Areas, Churches, are all British things.

As far as I am concerned, as soon as someone becomes a citizen of this country, they become British. Whatever customs and culture they have becomes part of British culture. This white middle class suburban place you dream about is not Brittan, repriV. Britain is multiculturalism, it is partly a Muslim country. English is not the only language of these lands, whilst it is the most spoken, Urdu, is a British Language too, used by British people.

You have no right to say what customs or traditions other Britians should follow. No British citizen has anymore rights than another, and no British citizen is anymore British than another.

No, Muslims are not British. Neither are kebab houses, mosques, Asian people (unless you're referring to the Kumars at Number 42), or Chinese people. Just because these things exist here does not make them British. Is McDonalds British? Is Microsoft British? What about MTV? No? No.
What you are concerned with is irrelevant. Just because the incompetent government and "liberal elite" decided that we should be a multicultural society without any of us asking for it, does not make multiculturalism "Britishness".
One only has to read the comments from users on multiculturalism on the BBC - the world's most popular left-leaning mouthpiece - to know that noone except kooks actually want multiculturalism, and that includes quite a few foreigners. It's been forced upon us, and that is probably the main reason we have the largest overseas population in the world except for India and China.
As for the concept of Britain being partly a Muslim country? I think I threw up in my mouth a little.

Two:

**** being British, ****ing patriotism, **** all that. We are all people of one world, I owe no allegiance to any country, I owe my allegiance to mankind.
If someone lives there lives differently to me, I will not tell them to change, as long as they don't infringe on my way of live and vice versa.

You do owe your allegiance to a country, and that country is Britain. You'll find that out very quickly if the draft is reinstated or you are ever tried for treason. You can throw around your "kum-bay-aahh my lord..." fantasies around all you like, but if you'd ever lived abroad, you'd realise how British...or, more accurately, English, you actually are.

I'm sure the white, traditionalist, God Save the Queen brigade will disagree, but as they live in a democracy, all other participants in that democracy are equal, under society and under the law.

That is how it is, should be, and should remain.

You are aware that non-citizens do not have a say in how our country is run, aren't you?
Also, you don't have to be white in order to have a problem with this insane idea of "multiculturalism". My best friend hates Muslims a lot more than I do, is considerably more conservative than myself and wants to see immigration much more strictly controlled than it is. By the way, she's Sri Lankan and she's only been over here for 8 years. She got her citizenship a year ago.

Also...interesting that you decide to defer to democracy, since if this democracy were truely democratic, the concept of multiculturalism would never even have been entertained. Nobody wants it...nobody except you, and a few of your pals. And some stubborn immigrants who want the economic benefits of living here but not the inconvinience of being one of us - people we don't want and who have no voice here anyway.

 

[repiV]

We also have similar problems, I think that in most cases people blind-folded try to overlook social problems, in fear of racism.
If we polarize debates that way, then there can only be racists and leftists, and nothing in between, which i think is one of the bigger problems in Europe.
Open up the debates, let people complain.

Nail on the head. "Racist" and "extremist" are terms thrown around with abandon by lefties whenever they don't want to have their carefully constructed preconceptions of a utopian world challenged by an idea that makes them uncomfortable. It's kind of like a religion, in a way. Certain concepts are "sacred" and not open to question...sound familiar?

 

[repiV]

How do you force people to integrate though?

I mean you can make them take citizenship exams and stuff but that's not everything.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink it.

You can't force anybody to integrate. Well, I suppose you can - in an authoritarian society.
What you can do however is swing the odds in your favour so that a large percentage of immigrants do integrate and the ones that don't have a choice between being outcasts, integrating or going home.
We shouldn't encourage people to stay segregated by printing official documents in 15 different languages and hiring interpreters on the NHS...
Something that might be worth experimenting with is having to take English exams to renew your visa or to be granted permanent residence. If you can't speak it near-fluently, you aren't allowed to remain. Also, perhaps a "cultural attitudes/tolerance" test such as they now use in the Netherlands.
Singapore might be worth looking at for inspiration. That country is far too overbearing and dictatorial in my liking, including on their cultural policies, but they've taken four distinct Asian cultures each with their own language and created an integrated nation out of them. One thing that stands to mind is that they require quotas of each ethnic group to be housed together in the same areas. I would never endorse such overbearing government control over people's place of residence, but the fact is what they do WORKS and we should look at what works.

You have to make being British an attractive thing. Currently, being British is seen as being drunk and aggressive and anti-social. Of course there's a lot of positive British traits too, but they're not being seen due to the negative factors.

If that's their perception, they shouldn't come here. In fact, they shouldn't be allowed the right to work or live here if that's their attitude.

Societies problems go further than just the immigrants.

Well, quite evidently. I think most of this country's current social problems are caused by the same general factor though - the liberal mindset which grants everyone obscene amounts of rights, absolves them of any of their responsibilities, calls discipline abuse, loathes success, treats hostiles with kid gloves and is afraid to stand up to bullshit. It's a mentality of weakness which breeds weak people and people with no sense of responsibility who only give a shit about themsleves and bleed the system of everything they can (chavs, for example).
I also think that, despite claiming to be all about "the working man", socialists are some of the most selfish people on the planet. It's all about the supposed righteousness and correctness and intellectual superiority of their ideas...I doubt Solaris really gives two shits about John the warehouse worker from Hull...he just feels all indignant when he sees the perceived "injustice".
Evident is this attitude when they whine about how outrageous the bonuses paid to Goldman Sachs employees are. God forbid the working man should be paid a percentage the revenue they generate for the company. Imagine that?! Not to mention that Goldman Sachs employees work 70-100 hour weeks, take about two weeks holiday a year and have no life.
Just like "nice guys" can be some of the most selfish people on the planet. Like leeches, existing off the scraps of appreciation from others and always trying to win approval to satisfy their insecurities.

I do agree that if you are coming here with the view that you hate British society, you shouldn't be allowed to be a part of it though. The only problem though is how do you examine this?

You could start by letting in a trickle of immigrants instead of a flood. That makes it much more manageable.

 

[NeptuneUK]

Im not posting much here yet. Im behind Repiv 100%
Common sense tbh
Immigration doesn't cause all the problems in Britian, no need to scapegoat. But immigrants are fueling problems like:

Water shortages
Housing shortages
Forming of ethnic 'ghettos' (some parts of Britian are completely alien to British culture) where the local ethnic population show hostility towards British people.
Overpopulation (We're too small!)
Loss of national identity ('British' culture is being rejected due to fear of insulting ethnic minorities)
Bullshit in the news (don't get me started)

 

[repiV]

Im not posting here yet. Im behind Repiv 100%
common sense tbh

Common sense? Ain't that common.

 

[NeptuneUK]

Common sense? Ain't that common.

No shit, man.

 

[Dr. Breen]

Repiv, every sentence that you have so eloquently stated I totally agree with. This is my first post and I'm new to the forums. I was in the forum lobby browsing the topics when I came across the Politics section and I saw the thread about immigration.

It might seem a little odd and out of proper protocol when I come out of the clear blue sky telling you that I agree with your political views, especially on a gaming forum, but seriously-you've said it perfectly.

I just hope I won't get flamed on my future posts by a person with an opposing political perspective. Or because I'm just a little noob. Kind of weird how my first post is in the politics section...

 

[NeptuneUK]

Repiv, every sentence that you have so eloquently stated I totally agree with. This is my first post and I'm new to the forums. I was in the forum lobby browsing the topics when I came across the Politics section and I saw the thread about immigration.

It might seem a little odd and out of proper protocol when I come out of the clear blue sky telling you that I agree with your political views, especially on a gaming forum, but seriously-you've said it perfectly.

I just hope I won't get flamed on my future posts by a person with an opposing political perspective. Or because I'm just a little noob. Kind of weird how my first post is in the politics section...

Nept00n shall protect you! (we'll both be flamed like noobs)
Im the oldest noob on the forum! (2004)

 

[Tyguy]

My concern is the crime increase due to illegal immigrants.....and the fact that the majority of illegal immigrants are in some way criminals

 

[Rim-Fire]

I'm all for legal immigration but I find it annoying when people say that illegal immigrants should be rewarded or just handed legal status. They're criminals.

 

[Solaris]

I'm all for legal immigration but I find it annoying when people say that illegal immigrants should be rewarded or just handed legal status. They're criminals.

They are less fortunate people than you, trying to make a better life for themselves and their children.

 

[Tyguy]

They are less fortunate people than you, trying to make a better life for themselves and their children.

Thats true for some of them

 

[Rim-Fire]

They are less fortunate people than you, trying to make a better life for themselves and their children.

That that gives them the right not to respect the laws of their new country?

It's kinda like a game of tug of war, if you will. They will take as much as you let them have, and they will drag more than that out of you. Currently, we're giving them everything on a platter plus a number of things only the most arrogant, self-absorbed wanker would EVER ask for as an immigrant to a foreign country.

I think the problem is you and others (and quite possibly 'they') think of people in terms of them and us. If they have immigrated and are British or whatever citizens then they should have the same rights as you, no one should hand them anything that you would get handed under the same circumstances. What do 'they' get handed on a silver plater? Low paying jobs? Dirty neighbourhoods. Great, if only I was so lucky . Do not think of them as foreigners, if they are British citizens, they are British, as British as you (But not me obviously ) and should get the same bloody rights.

Ultimately, the buck stops with moronic politicians and far-left spheres of influence. They are only causing problems BECAUSE we allow them to. On the other hand, they are still at fault for causing the problems. Frankly, I don't want Muslims - as a cultural group - here. They add nothing to our society and take away a lot. Under Islamic law, a woman who has been raped is stoned for adultery unless four male witnesses can support her testimony. Nice. Why did we bother having the civil rights movement, if this is, according to Solaris, a "British" thing?
I'm inclined to believe that integration is essentially impossible for the vast majority of Muslims, at least ones from the Middle East and Pakistan. But we're not helping the situation.

Under Christian law, a woman who has been rapped in an urban area is put to death regardless of any testimony, as is someone who disobeys their father, wears clothes that have two different types of fabrics or happens to be in the same town as a heithen preacher. Should Christians be there?

No, Muslims are not British. Neither are kebab houses, mosques, Asian people (unless you're referring to the Kumars at Number 42), or Chinese people. Just because these things exist here does not make them British. Is McDonalds British? Is Microsoft British? What about MTV? No? No.

Are you saying there are no Muslims who are citizens of Britian? Islam is a religion, your beliefs have no effect on your citizenship. You say Chinese people are not British, this is obvious but your problem is you take this as a cultural thing or as a heratige. Someone who is a citizen of China is Chinese. Someone who is a citizen of Great Britain is British. It doesn't mater if their parents where from China, if you are a citizen of Britian and not of China then you are British, you are not Chinese. Your family tree doesn't mater. If you traced your family back enough generations you would come from nowhere near Britian.

What you are concerned with is irrelevant. Just because the incompetent government and "liberal elite" decided that we should be a multicultural society without any of us asking for it, does not make multiculturalism "Britishness".
One only has to read the comments from users on multiculturalism on the BBC - the world's most popular left-leaning mouthpiece - to know that noone except kooks actually want multiculturalism, and that includes quite a few foreigners. It's been forced upon us, and that is probably the main reason we have the largest overseas population in the world except for India and China.
As for the concept of Britain being partly a Muslim country? I think I threw up in my mouth a little.

Who are you to say what is British culture? The idea of the Christmas tree, something in so many British homes at the moment came form Germany. Indian food is one of the most popular foods in Britain and many 'Indian' recipies where invented in Britain. Christianity? That came from the Middle East. Your culture is almost entirly made up of other cultures from around the world. That's where culture comes from.

You do owe your allegiance to a country, and that country is Britain. You'll find that out very quickly if the draft is reinstated or you are ever tried for treason. You can throw around your "kum-bay-aahh my lord..." fantasies around all you like, but if you'd ever lived abroad, you'd realise how British...or, more accurately, English, you actually are.

Anyone who is a citizen of Great Britain is as British as you. There are British people, and there are non-British people, there are no degrees of Britishness. It doesn't matter if your great-great-great-great-great grandand was British. That boy 'round the corner who's parents don't speak a word of English is as British as you. Citizenship is the only real measurement of this, all others are illusions and fabrications. There is no genetic sequence for Britishness, there is nothing special in your blood or anything else.

You are aware that non-citizens do not have a say in how our country is run, aren't you?
Also, you don't have to be white in order to have a problem with this insane idea of "multiculturalism". My best friend hates Muslims a lot more than I do, is considerably more conservative than myself and wants to see immigration much more strictly controlled than it is. By the way, she's Sri Lankan and she's only been over here for 8 years. She got her citizenship a year ago.

And she is she is just as British as you mate.

Also...interesting that you decide to defer to democracy, since if this democracy were truely democratic, the concept of multiculturalism would never even have been entertained. Nobody wants it...nobody except you, and a few of your pals. And some stubborn immigrants who want the economic benefits of living here but not the inconvinience of being one of us - people we don't want and who have no voice here anyway.

There are 3 types of people:

1. Those who want multiculturism
2. Those who don't want multiculturism
3. Those who understand multiculturism

(I do not mean that litterally, just making a point)

 

[Angry Lawyer]

They are less fortunate people than you, trying to make a better life for themselves and their children.

The whole point that there's a distinction between illegal and legal immigrants is that only those really deserving get in.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[JNightshade]

The whole point that there's a distinction between illegal and legal immigrants is that only those really deserving get in.

-Angry Lawyer

Problem is, in America, that's not necessarily the case. The process takes forever, and it's full of red tape and bureaucracy. Of course, this only goes for people who don't look like us :/

 

[Angry Lawyer]

I'm a Brit, though, so America doesn't count :shh:

-Angry Lawyer

 

[JNightshade]

It never does :shh:

 

[Rim-Fire]

Problem is, in America, that's not necessarily the case. The process takes forever, and it's full of red tape and bureaucracy. Of course, this only goes for people who don't look like us :/

So letting people ignore the system is the solution? No, the laws should be fixed, not ignored.

 

[JNightshade]

So letting people ignore the system is the solution? No, the laws should be fixed, not ignored.

I never said that! I fully oppose illegal immigration- it puts the immigrants in a really impossible position, where big companies can pay them a dollar an hour, and if they tell anyone, they get sent back to their homeland. Don't put words in my mouth D:

 

[Solaris]

I would make all illegal immigrants legal, and open the borders throughout the world and nationalize all industry to create jobs.

 

[kirovman]

The original odd couple:

Nick Griffin and Solaris.



In a Laurel and Hardy kind of way:

"Why, you bumbling fool! Why'd you go and open all the borders to all them immigrants!"

*laurel and hardy theme tune*

 

[Ome_Vince]

I'd love to see Solaris in a couple of years when he wakes up from lala-land.

 

[repiV]

Repiv, every sentence that you have so eloquently stated I totally agree with. This is my first post and I'm new to the forums. I was in the forum lobby browsing the topics when I came across the Politics section and I saw the thread about immigration.

It might seem a little odd and out of proper protocol when I come out of the clear blue sky telling you that I agree with your political views, especially on a gaming forum, but seriously-you've said it perfectly.

I just hope I won't get flamed on my future posts by a person with an opposing political perspective. Or because I'm just a little noob. Kind of weird how my first post is in the politics section...

Hey, thanks. Good to meet you, please stick around.

They are less fortunate people than you, trying to make a better life for themselves and their children.

Oh boo-****ing-hoo. So are a number of drug dealers, hitmen and gangsters. Cry me a river.
I'm not even going to bother explaining to you why completely open borders would be utterly moronic not to mention an incalculably enormous security risk, because if you don't have the sense to understand that despite having had your arse handed to you on similar topics Christ knows how many times, the only way you're going to come out of your senseless stupor is by living in the real world a little.
Reason means nothing to you. No matter how many times your woefully misguided and illogical ideas are proven farcical, you just find new justifications for them, or go silent on the topic and then reiterate the same views and justifications later on. As you've done in this topic, by ignoring my earlier replies to you.

I think the problem is you and others (and quite possibly 'they') think of people in terms of them and us. If they have immigrated and are British or whatever citizens then they should have the same rights as you, no one should hand them anything that you would get handed under the same circumstances. What do 'they' get handed on a silver plater? Low paying jobs? Dirty neighbourhoods. Great, if only I was so lucky . Do not think of them as foreigners, if they are British citizens, they are British, as British as you (But not me obviously ) and should get the same bloody rights.

What are you talking about? They do have the same rights. They are also granted the rights to practice cultural imperialism on our soil, to pervert the course of our nation, preferential treatment ie. positive discrimination/affirmative action. It's also far too easy to attain British citizenship.
And noone who was raised abroad will ever be "as British as me". British identity and British citizenship are completely different things. My best friend's mother barely speaks a word of English and treats her in a manner considered abhorrent by our standards. She's not allowed to stay out late or go out often (despite being 19), she's not allowed to have any male friends, the only boyfriend she's allowed is one from the same culture picked out for her by her parents, who she is expected to marry, and so on and so forth...
She got kicked out of the house for a week because her brother saw her with me, a white boy (that's a double no-no) and told her mum.
Yet she's a British citizen. She's certainly not British in any way that I recognise. The only good thing she ever brought to this country is her daughter, my friend.

Under Christian law, a woman who has been rapped in an urban area is put to death regardless of any testimony, as is someone who disobeys their father, wears clothes that have two different types of fabrics or happens to be in the same town as a heithen preacher. Should Christians be there?

What Christian law is that? Last time I checked, there is no Christian legal system. There is, however, an Islamic legal system, Sharia, which is widely used in the Muslim world. Islam isn't just a religion, it's an all-encompassing way of being that cannot tolerate or abide diversity.

Are you saying there are no Muslims who are citizens of Britian? Islam is a religion, your beliefs have no effect on your citizenship. You say Chinese people are not British, this is obvious but your problem is you take this as a cultural thing or as a heratige. Someone who is a citizen of China is Chinese. Someone who is a citizen of Great Britain is British. It doesn't mater if their parents where from China, if you are a citizen of Britian and not of China then you are British, you are not Chinese. Your family tree doesn't mater. If you traced your family back enough generations you would come from nowhere near Britian.

Like I said, British identity and British citizenship are two very different things.
My ancestry is completely irrelevant. It's about culture, not genetics.

Who are you to say what is British culture? The idea of the Christmas tree, something in so many British homes at the moment came form Germany. Indian food is one of the most popular foods in Britain and many 'Indian' recipies where invented in Britain. Christianity? That came from the Middle East. Your culture is almost entirly made up of other cultures from around the world. That's where culture comes from.

So what? These things are all widely accepted and followed by the population of Britain. They are things that define us as a people, and yes, despite the relentless battle waged by socialists upon our cultural integrity, national identities still very much exist. Mosques, veils and women as second class citizens are NOT things that define Britain, and I would fight to the death to keep it that way if it came to that. And if things don't start changing, it will eventually come to that.

Anyone who is a citizen of Great Britain is as British as you. There are British people, and there are non-British people, there are no degrees of Britishness. It doesn't matter if your great-great-great-great-great grandand was British. That boy 'round the corner who's parents don't speak a word of English is as British as you. Citizenship is the only real measurement of this, all others are illusions and fabrications. There is no genetic sequence for Britishness, there is nothing special in your blood or anything else.

Citizenship is not a measure of British cultural identity at all. Especially when your beliefs and behaviour are not a factor in granting citizenship. It's a status allowing you full democratic membership and consular representation of the country in question. If I held citizenship in Britain, Australia and Spain, would I be British, Australian and Spanish? No, of course not.

And she is she is just as British as you mate.

Of course she isn't. In fact, she would dispute that a lot more than I would. But in this case, that isn't a bad thing.

There are 3 types of people:

1. Those who want multiculturism
2. Those who don't want multiculturism
3. Those who understand multiculturism

(I do not mean that litterally, just making a point)

[/quote]

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make.

I'd love to see Solaris in a couple of years when he wakes up from lala-land.

Me too.

 

[Tyguy]

My lawn looks great, so plus one for illegal immigrants



however, im paying for it in the long run

 

[Zeus]

Problem is, in America, that's not necessarily the case. The process takes forever, and it's full of red tape and bureaucracy. Of course, this only goes for people who don't look like us :/

Who is this "us" you are referring to?

 

[Tyguy]

Who is this "us" you are referring to?

7 foot tall brown haired death machines, with khakis

 

[SpotEnemyBoats]

I'm all for legal immigration but I find it annoying when people say that illegal immigrants should be rewarded or just handed legal status. They're criminals.

I agree, They're is a difference between the two. There is quite a few illegal immigrants that try to sneak illegal substances that are against the law. Also about illegal immigrants is that they take the money they get from their job & they sent it back to their country....THATS AMERICAN MONEY!!!!! WTF? It stays here.

I am all for legal immigration but I am completely against illegal immigrant, its a crime & criminals should be dealt with. If I had my way, I would sent all illegal immigrants to guantanomo bay, cuba.

 

[depth9000]

I agree, They're is a difference between the two. There is quite a few illegal immigrants that try to sneak illegal substances that are against the law. Also about illegal immigrants is that they take the money they get from their job & they sent it back to their country....THATS AMERICAN MONEY!!!!! WTF? It stays here.

I am all for legal immigration but I am completely against illegal immigrant, its a crime & criminals should be dealt with. If I had my way, I would sent all illegal immigrants to guantanomo bay, cuba.

Let's not forget that the immigrants that came in the Mayflower were not technically "illegal' immigrants. They were actually granted legal residence and then citizenship by the Native Americans.

 

[depth9000]

I agree, They're is a difference between the two. There is quite a few illegal immigrants that try to sneak illegal substances that are against the law.

Source? I bet there are more LEGAL immigrants who try to do that, since their "legal" status allows to enter and leave the country more easily.

Also about illegal immigrants is that they take the money they get from their job & they sent it back to their country....THATS AMERICAN MONEY!!!!! WTF? It stays here.

Legal immigrants don't do that? And ALL illegal immigrants do that? Once you EARN something you can do with it as you please. If you want to put that money in a Swiss bank account that is your problem. If you want use that money to buy overpriced souveniers in China, that's your problem. There is no law that prohibits doing that. You are obviously no law or economics professor so don't be stupid.

I am all for legal immigration but I am completely against illegal immigrant, its a crime & criminals should be dealt with. If I had my way, I would sent all illegal immigrants to guantanomo bay, cuba.

AKA the type of person who goes around labeling every single person on the street who doesn't look like him an "illegal" immigrant.

 

[Razor]

I would make all illegal immigrants legal, and open the borders throughout the world and nationalize all industry to create jobs.

And then watch the world collapse into anarchy and destruction. Humans are not at a point in evolution to be able to live with no borders, i think you live in a dream world full of fairies. What happens in your borderless world when groups of people who all have the same religion, class, group, and live in the same geographical area start wanting more, seeing that they outnumber there neighbours, start moving in, or at the least blocking other people who are not of their religion, class, or whatever from coming into their part of their world - borders are drawn, the world is divided again and anarchy ensues.

As for my responce to the original comments, i think immigration is a good thing as long as it's controlled. People should be allowed to come to England and everything should be speeded up so that normal people from other places and come into England and enjoy a life that British people have been allowed to enjoy. However, anyone failing the immigration test should be exported immediately and not allowed to re-enter, more stringent checks must also be put on the borders. But a lot of British communities have been inundated with eastern europeans, the problems they cause are things such as crime and poverty in areas where there none - this doesn't mean all eastern europeans are to blame, but just a handful and these handful of people should be dealt with.

 

[depth9000]

Yeah, Solaris must live in a fantasy world if he truly thinks a society like the UK could function with open borders. I mean, wouldn't it be nice if we could all just live in peace and learned to love one another?

It ain't gonna happen. Grow up.

 

[Nemesis6]

U.K is a prime example of a country that should have had its borders closed a long, long, long time ago. A country in which a majority of Muslim immigrants have become more radicalized than they would ever be in their native countries. The cause of this? The multi-culturalism that Mr. Blair talks about. No, that's not right. The problem is not multi-culturalism, but the insane amount of tolerance that comes with it, and the way that tolerance is taken advantage of.

For example, Abu Hamza. Look at how long it took Britain to lock this nutjob up. That is multi-culturalism gone wrong. However, I could imagine why: If the U.K arrests terror suspects, 'radical' Muslims go crazy. Now imagine what they'd do if they went after the guy who made these 'radical' Muslims in the first place... That's right, time to go on a rampage again.

Open borders... Ouch. The only time the Western world will be ready for open borders is when we pick ourselves up from the gutter of dhimmitude and realize that we've shot ourselves in the foot by having thing big "Oh but we can just ignore their calls for us to die.... You know, even though they live in our own countries all whilst saying this."