Incoming Source - Public Apology

Praz

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First off, I owe everyone, fan or foe, an apology. Over the course of making Incoming Source I have received numerous complaints about our Halo related material. I take full responsibility for that.

I’m not going to lie, I do love the game Halo. So when I first started Incoming originally over 5 years ago (see our pictures), there is an exact replica of Master Chief (Spartan Armor). There is also an exact replica of the Warthog. So our Halo related material wasn’t just born overnight, it’s been in the game for quite some time. When Incoming came back and used the Source engine those ideas just came with. We modified our models of the science fiction marines but we still wanted to have the Master Chief armor vibe to it. Well it vibed a bit too much. So much that people thought that we were stealing. That wasn’t the case at all. To us the model was unique, it was our child, so to speak. To others we were stealing a Master Chief. We apologize, that wasn’t our intentions.

As for the Warthog model, I will not lie and I wish I had something to back this on but all I have is my word. We had received permission from Bungie Studios 5 years ago to use the Warthog and Spartan Armor. The deal was if we were a non-profit organization we could use the exact models. Well, five years down the road we assumed the deal was still on. But people start pointing and saying things such as “Why do they have the Warthog?” So I personally e-mailed Bungie again another five times with no reply. So I assumed the deal was still on. And considering nobody had come after me or the game I thought we were in the green. I wish I could have made everyone feel more comfortable about this model but I didn’t have the original email and Bungie never replied back. So the team decision was to scrap it.

As for our arrogance, as everyone has claimed that we have been, was not to offend anyone or hurt anyone. To us our work was great, our work was very important. The team was very supportive of itself. When we received some amazing concepts from our talented 2D artists we were gunning to get it modeled and skinned. And when it was done we were amazed and had expressions such as “Wow!” to see it in full 3D glory. “We have our first player model!” and other comments of the sort. We didn’t stop to think how other people would view it and we didn’t take into careful consideration the flames we might receive for our Warthog model. We just assumed everyone would love the models as much as we had. And when they didn’t, I’m not going to lie, it sucked and it hurt as we were working very hard for the public. Not because we cannot take criticism, but because we had people basically screaming in our faces “You Halo rip-offs! Doesn’t even look good! Hope your mod dies and you crash and burn”.

Yeah, you can only hear that for so long before you just can’t hear it anymore. So we sort of got in the mind set of “well, it’s a free mod, free everything and if they want to complain they don’t have to play.” So yes, we stopped listening to what we call the halo flame. To us we weren’t Halo as we had known the single player story as among other things and w e weren’t going to let people tell us we were. In a way I suppose, we came off as extremely arrogant and stuck up. We are hear to apologize for that as well. But when all you hear is repeated flame day in and day out, you get sick of it and start putting up walls so you can’t hear it anymore. But I apologize for any rude comments and arrogance that’s been presented by our team.

On a lighter note and hopefully good news to everyone. We are scrapping all Halo related models. These which include our Human model which is being completely re-done. Our “Warthog” which is now the “Gladiator” has gone through massive changes and looks awesome while still holding on to the soul of the dearly departed Warthog.

This is Incoming-source’s Official apology. For the bad comments, for the arrogance and for the poor decision of not thinking through the material.

All we really want is to make a game that is enjoyable for everyone. It’s free and we want to make it feel like you are playing a high quality game. I just ask for people to understand how we feel as well. Yes we know you either hate us or love us. Yet for us, we love our work. We are proud of our work. Supportive criticism is always welcome, but we have heard enough flame and are making those necessary changes. We are sorry.
 
Good apology even if you avoided responsibility with the arrogance and blamed it on the fans. It's admirable that you'd do this.

Now, in the next few weeks/months, demonstrate those are not just words but actions.
 
I think this is a tad ridiculous. The fact that you think there needs to be a full apology for what amounts to a couple of models shows more than anything that you're still arrogant. Neither I, nor anyone else, really cares wether or not you use Halo-derived content. We may have ridiculed the lack of creativity, but its not some sort of personal crusade that people are waging. If you really feel so hurt about it, take it out of the mod and move on, and for God's sake don't clog up the forum with another Incoming: Source thread. Its annoying enough that the release of two new pieces of concept art warrants a new thread every week.

Also, if people were paying for this, then maybe they'd have a point. But this is mod-making, not professional development, and you're really not accountable to anyone. You really don't have to whip up a drama storm about it.
 
Pajari said:
I think this is a tad ridiculous. The fact that you think there needs to be a full apology for what amounts to a couple of models shows more than anything that you're still arrogant. Neither I, nor anyone else, really cares wether or not you use Halo-derived content. We may have ridiculed the lack of creativity, but its not some sort of personal crusade that people are waging. If you really feel so hurt about it, take it out of the mod and move on, and for God's sake don't clog up the forum with another Incoming: Source thread. Its annoying enough that the release of two new pieces of concept art warrants a new thread every week.

Also, if people were paying for this, then maybe they'd have a point. But this is mod-making, not professional development, and you're really not accountable to anyone. You really don't have to whip up a drama storm about it.
Speak for yourself. He is responding to a recent thread in which I was being quite aggressive.

But Praz, dude, that's exactly all I wanted from you. Thanks :)

Good luck with your mod in the future. The team is most certainly very skilled and I look forward to see what kind of stuff you can come up with. :)

Oh, and all that stuff in your newer thread is constructive critisism.
 
Well at least Erestheux took it the right way, the rest of you people...I just don't understand...honestly :O
 
Darksabre said:
Well at least Erestheux took it the right way, the rest of you people...I just don't understand...honestly :O
Oh man, no story this time? :p <3

And Pi, I think "The rest" should be read as Pajaaraararblah.
 
i dont know y you apologiezed people bitch alot! dont give in lol but it takes a real man to admit when his wrong :p
 
man, I cant believe how worked up over the haloesque content people got, personally I couldnt care less,,,,,

gameplay guys... gameplay...
 
is this mod even finished yet?

Personally, I don't care if it looks a little like Halo. If its a good game, Who gives a crap. Just love it!
 
Enough apologising... more media.

If people are asses enough to really get pissy about Halo content, thats their fault. Ignore...

I guarantee those same people will turn around and love a remake or homage to another game, by using some of it's content (i.e. GoldenEye Source)

Hippocrates.
 
WhiteZero said:
Enough apologising... more media.

If people are asses enough to really get pissy about Halo content, thats their fault. Ignore...

I guarantee those same people will turn around and love a remake or homage to another game, by using some of it's content (i.e. GoldenEye Source)

Hippocrates.
That wasn't the point, there is a difference between denying that you are copying something and being open about it. There is also the issue of permission, which is always necessary, whether you are trying to cover it up or not.

I am really striving to understand why people are defending something that a mod team did when the mod team just stopped doing it and apologized for it.
 
Erestheux said:
That wasn't the point, there is a difference between denying that you are copying something and being open about it. There is also the issue of permission, which is always necessary, whether you are trying to cover it up or not.

I am really striving to understand why people are defending something that a mod team did when the mod team just stopped doing it and apologized for it.
Oh I know that wasnt the main point of this, I was just making a general comment.
:D
 
Erestheux said:
Oh man, no story this time? :p <3

And Pi, I think "The rest" should be read as Pajaaraararblah.

No story :(

Yeah I meant the rest as in "The people that were annoyed by Praz' arrogance yadda yadda and now are pissed that he is apologised" group :). You guys can never be satisified :D
 
Darksabre said:
No story :(

Yeah I meant the rest as in "The people that were annoyed by Praz' arrogance yadda yadda and now are pissed that he is apologised" group :). You guys can never be satisified :D
I am! Ohh pllleaaase with the story? Pweeze? :cat:
 
Erestheux said:
I am! Ohh pllleaaase with the story? Pweeze? :cat:

When a point must be made, and an argument must be extended...then the stories shall come, until then...:).
 
I didnt go to the website, before i posted last, So I didnt know its still in progress.
 
Personally the effort that has gone into this mod is second to none and i feel bad that their publi relations effort backfired mainly because of some vocal senior members in this community and i am ashamed of them
i can't wait for this work to be finished - i only hope that those who sought to hammer this mod with their 'experience' will learn from it
 
The apology was a wise decision from a PR standpoint. It's not about those who already know what it's all about and "don't really care anyway". It's for the many forum-goers here at HL2.net that will no doubt have got the impression that Incoming: Source is a POS and not worth looking at. I think the leopard should be given the chance to change its spots, as I:S have shown that they've taken on the public opinion vis-a-vis their less-inspired content, and are making great strides to replace it.

I'm happy to wait for what the I:S dev team come up with in its place, they're certainly capable of great things.
 
yeah, haven't seen a thread like this in a long time.
keep up the great work team, er.. team work.
 
Although I'd have preferred a fuller apology for some of the things that I remember from further back which I won't mention here but you probably don't remember, it does take a lot of guts to stand up and apologise. Incoming: Source has been moved back into my "Doing alright" books.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Thx Praz, now scrap the dinosaurs.
 
sinkoman said:
You never cease to amaze me my nublet friend.
Nublet? :O

Me and some other guys always use that word at our Natural Selection server :p
 
I may have come in late in this, but seems like you guys are on the right track, though whether you were before or not, I can't tell. Good luck.
 
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