Inglourious Basterds trailer.

[Kadayi]

And I think you'll find when you're behind enemy lines you can't take POWs.

Says who exactly? The big book of war rules? Behind enemy lines anything goes? :dozey:

 

[Eejit]

The book of how about you use a bit of common sense? :dozey:

 

[Kadayi]

The book of how about you use a bit of common sense? :dozey:

So it's common sense to kill and torture non combatants then according to you? :dozey:

 

[Sheepo]

It's common sense that you can't take POW behind enemy lines.

 

[Kadayi]

It's common sense that you can't take POW behind enemy lines.

Repetition does not equal a point of justification. :dozey:

If someone surrenders to you behind enemy lines, you're perfectly ok with them being disfigured, tortured and beaten to death because 'hey, we can't take them along for the ride, so what else are we going to do with them?' It's completely justifiable because what else would you do? Maybe tie/lock them up or turn them loose somewhere remote perhaps? Oh noes can't do that ..remember what happened in work of fiction SPR ...

 

[Sheepo]

I'm just telling you what he was trying to say, it looked like you didn't understand.

 

[Kadayi]

I'm just telling you what he was trying to say, it looked like you didn't understand.

I understood it, I just found it a laughable defence, of what is shaping up to be a terrible movie. Still feel free to enjoy your Jewish torture porn when it hits the big screens, it matters not to me. :dozey:

 

[Eejit]

Your ass must be pretty roomy for you to pull so much out of it.
If something is featured in a film at all it's being glorified right? I guess showing Amon G?th shooting random Jewish prisoners in Schindler's List is glamorising and justifying it.

All you know is that this film shows soldiers behind enemy lines killing enemy soldiers brutally as part of a psychological war of intimidation. Instead of taking them into custody and delivering them through hostile territory instead of a POW camp. Which would be so believeable.
You have also decided that this will be shown in a wholly positive light.
Which is a really sensible assumption, cause QT never has ANY moral ambiguous protagonists. :dozey:

It must be nice to be able to pass absolute judgement on a film before its release and without seeing it. But you know if the film shows bad things, it must be a bad film. Silence of the Lambs was a terrible film, wasn't it? Or Reservoir Dogs. It showed torture too, therefore it's terrible torture porn and without any merit.

 

[Bad^Hat]

:dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey:

:dozey:

 

[DEATH eVADER]

go tarrantino!

Its from Tarantino? :bounce:

 

[Kadayi]

If something is featured in a film at all it's being glorified right? I guess showing Amon G?th shooting random Jewish prisoners in Schindler's List is glamorising and justifying it.

You do realise that Schindlers list was based around real events that occurred based on peoples recollections. Where as IB is something QT came up whilst jacking off to the Dirty Dozen. :dozey:

 

[Eejit]

No, really!?
Well that just completely changes everything! You're quite right to get your panties in a twist if the story you object to is made up rather than true. Imagine the cheek of someone inventing a story you object to!

 

[Kadayi]

Imagine the cheek of someone inventing a story you object to!

If it dehumanises people and possesses no artistic merit whatsoever, I'll object about as much as I want, regardless of it's origins. From what I've seen and heard, unfortunately IB looks like it falls firmly into that category. As I said earlier you're welcome to **** yourself silly over it (you're clearly moist enough), so I don't see what your major malfunction is when it comes to me expressing my opinion. QT made some good films back in the day, but since Jackie Brown it's all gone downhill and this will be another nail in the coffin to what was a promising career.

 

[Bad^Hat]

Sorry, glorified violence?

Read thread/movie title. Argument nullified.

 

[Kadayi]

Sorry, glorified violence?

Read thread/movie title. Argument nullified.

*ignored.

 

[Eejit]

If it dehumanises people and possesses no artistic merit whatsoever, I'll object about as much as I want, regardless of it's origins. From what I've seen and heard, unfortunately IB looks like it falls firmly into that category. As I said earlier you're welcome to **** yourself silly over it (you're clearly moist enough), so I don't see what your major malfunction is when it comes to me expressing my opinion. QT made some good films back in the day, but since Jackie Brown it's all gone downhill and this will be another nail in the coffin to what was a promising career.

If. If. If. If. You're basing that on what? It's not an Eli Roth film, it's a QT film. There's no reason to assume it'll effectively be Hostel 3.

Just because I'm defending something from a completely mental baseless attack doesn't mean I'm a fanboy, though I guess you seem deluded enough about this to find that inconceivable. I might as well be asking whether Grandaddy Hans got killed by le resistance or something, you're so butthurt about the concept.

 

[Kadayi]

@Eejit

You probably think you're pretty clever going there, but the reality is my grandfather died fighting to liberate France during the early days of the D day invasion (he was part of the Canadian war effort). More than anyone here I could be shouting about how 'it's only a film, etc etc,' and enjoying a bit of vicarious German killing, but the plain truth of the matter I see no merit in the kind of film QT is making here, or the trivialising of a period of history for the sake of a couple of hours of violent titillation, regardless as to whom is getting the rough end of the stick. IB isn't going to be SPR or The Thin Red Line.

There is nothing baseless about my concerns either. I'm making a judgement call based on the trailer, what I've heard from other sources and the direction QTs been doing with his other films (Death proof was appalling, and Kill Bill little better). Fact is, I'm not seeing whatever eventually hits the cinema screens as something I'd probably pay money to see, which is more the pity because QT certainly had the talent to be one of modern cinemas greatest directors, but instead has wasted the last 10 years of his life making disposable derivative shlock.

 

[Direwolf]

Man, my grandparents also served during that war, and I still think you're full of it. Making broad philosophical, artistic, and moralistic conclusions without having seen a film isn't valid criticism. It's just inviting an argument.

 

[Kadayi]

Man, my grandparents also served during that war, and I still think you're full of it. Making broad philosophical, artistic, and moralistic conclusions without having seen a film isn't valid criticism. It's just inviting an argument.

That you're attempting to compare served Vs dead is frankly both insulting and laughable, especially as an attempt to launch a personal attack. Eejit has had all day to respond (he's been on the boards) but had the good grace to not to go there. Why you feel the need to pick up a dropped baton is utterly incomprehensible tbh. If you look hard enough there's plenty of information out there about the film, and more than enough to make some judgement calls on. Albeit I seem to be the only one raising an eyebrow to this on this forum, on others I visit I'm not alone in thinking this film has bad idea written all over it, for a number of reasons.

 

[Eejit]

Yeah it's perfectly fine to make your final judgement on a film based on a teaser trailer less than 2 minutes long, and anyone disagreeing with you is clearly against human rights and advocates torture.

I didn't bother responding before because it's obvious you have a completely closed mind on the subject, and everyone else has more sense.

Also I wasn't actually launching a personal attack, just trying to demonstrate how your accusations of people who disagree with you being in favour of torture and execution come off to the rest of us. Guess you failed to grasp that too.

 

[Kadayi]

Yeah it's perfectly fine to make your final judgement on a film based on a teaser trailer less than 2 minutes long, and anyone disagreeing with you is clearly against human rights and advocates torture.

Well tbh, reading the script helped (it's out there and has been for months). Also I'm pretty sure I've not accused anyone who disagrees with me being a fan of torture porn. I'm just saying that I hope you enjoy it, because that's what it looks like you'll be getting.

Also I wasn't actually launching a personal attack, just trying to demonstrate how your accusations of people who disagree with you being in favour of torture and execution come off to the rest of us. Guess you failed to grasp that too.

Did I quote you or did I quote Direwolf? Because I'm pretty sure I quoted him if you look.

 

[2Fast4U]

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000233/

Scoot down to the producer section.

Since when an executive producer is the maker of a movie? They probably gave him the title so they can put his name on posters.

 

[Direwolf]

For the record, that was not intended as a personal attack, but as an attack against what I think is a ridiculous argument. But Kadayi is correct in that I've given my two cents, and I'll leave it at that.

(Also I really don't think the comparison between someone serving in a war and dying in a war is "laughable," but I'll leave thoughts on that to better men. What could I possibly say that someone like Kipling hasn't said better?")

 

[Kadayi]

Since when an executive producer is the maker of a movie? They probably gave him the title so they can put his name on posters.

Since when does someone produce a movie without knowing what it's about or approving its content?

 

[Eejit]

Knowing its content != Deciding its content.

 

[Kadayi]

Knowing its content != Deciding its content.

Films are rarely if ever either the singular vision of a screenwriter or a director alone, more often than not and for better and worse they are shaped by producers and studios.

Also you can find PDFs of the script here:-

http://www.cineobscure.com/inglorious-bastards-script-sold-to-miramax/

I'm sure you'll love it, but personally I couldn't find anything redeeming in it. Enjoy. :dozey:

 

[Eejit]

Except for when a producer signs on to a film a friend of his is writing and directing perhaps :dozey:

I'm not going to read that. Films aren't books, there's a lot more to them than the script and I don't want to spoil a potentially decent film just because you have decided it must suck.

 

[Lucid]

It's
just
a
****ing
movie.

 

[Direwolf]

It's
just
a
****ing
movie.

I'm demanding you cut out this "sanity" and "perspective" bologna immediately. This is the internet, they have no place here.

 

[Unfocused]

Looking forward to this.

Still feel free to enjoy your Jewish torture porn when it hits the big screens, it matters not to me. :dozey:

Doesn't look like it matters not to you.

How much of the script did you read?

 

[Kadayi]

Except for when a producer signs on to a film a friend of his is writing and directing perhaps :dozey:

Whose in the land of the 'If if ifs' now then? Spend much time hanging out with QT & Eli? You think someone as motormouth as like QT doesn't get involved in the films he produces? :dozey:

I'm not going to read that. Films aren't books, there's a lot more to them than the script and I don't want to spoil a potentially decent film just because you have decided it must suck.

It's not a book, it's a screen play, there's a big difference. It's sets out every scene, every character, the entire narrative flow of the scene, the dialogue and specific beats the writer wants to put emphasis on, as well as certain camera instructions (close ups, panning shots etc). It's the bible to a films production. Also I'm not saying it would suck, I just don't think that as a picture it possesses any redeeming qualities based on what I've read. Seriously give it a read and see what you think.

How much of the script did you read?

All of it.

Spoiler

Standout parts being the beating to death of the German captive by the 'Bear Jew' (Eli Roths finest hour no doubt) while the rest of the basterd cheers on. The bastards killing a bunch of caged dogs (not attack dogs as one might envisage either), and the brutal strangulation of a woman. Oh and lots and lots of '****ings' and the odd '****' thrown in for good measure, as well as the 'heroes' proving themselves to baseless on pretty much every level, even to those who are helping them.

 

[Officer Combine]

The scene of the guy running with a gun as big as him did it for me. I must see this film.

 

[Direwolf]

In all honesty if I read the script for Pulp Fiction (or any other Tarantino movie that I've liked) I would probably just be perplexed and kind of curious what his drug of choice is.

 

[Kadayi]

In all honesty if I read the script for Pulp Fiction (or any other Tarantino movie that I've liked) I would probably just be perplexed and kind of curious what his drug of choice is.

You can buy them (I've a few old QT scripts). They are actually quite interesting to read because QT does a lot of flashback/counterpoint work during his dialogue delivery (remember the kemode scene in RD..all in the script). IB seems well constructed in terms of the cinematic cues in the script (I wouldn't expect anything less from QT tbh), but story itself is utter garbage, and none of the 'hero' characters are remotely likeable to the extent that you kind of feel sorry for the supposed 'villains' that they are having to deal with such intractable people.

 

[Thunderclap]

I have seen the trailer and just read all of this thread, and posting this feels a lot like stepping into quicksand. I feel rather sorry for Kadayi, as it is pretty much him against everyone else in here, although by and large the discourse has been civil. I must admit that this trailer left me rather disgusted.

I will emphasize that I have not read the script, and am basing this entirely on the trailer. Thus, I will point out that my conclusions might be proven entirely wrong before you do it for me.

People can compare this to the butchery in many other action films. However, what stood out to me (and perhaps not to others) was that the emphasis seemed not to be on action and more on torture and brutality. Action films appeal to the audience's sense of excitement. Yes, I admit some of my favorite films have body counts in the hundreds, but it does not dwell on it. The focus is on making you thrilled and exhilirated with crazy car chases, gun fights, and improbably large explosions. Here, and this is going completely on the trailer, there seems to be an unhealthy emphasis on sadistic violence, which appeals to the audience's sense of...well, I'd rather not imagine.

If you disagree with me, feel free to tell me I'm completely wrong, but give at least a passing explanation. And, in response to one of the earliest posts, I found the notion that "it's Nazis, so it's okay" rather repulsive. These appear to be German infantry grunts, and characterizing them as all complicit in Nazi Germany's crimes against humanity is simply wrong. If the titular basterds turn out be fighting something along the lines of SS execution squads liquidating those they deem untermenschen, well, then, I might be able to ease off.

 

[Kadayi]

I have seen the trailer and just read all of this thread, and posting this feels a lot like stepping into quicksand. I feel rather sorry for Kadayi, as it is pretty much him against everyone else in here, although by and large the discourse has been civil. I must admit that this trailer left me rather disgusted.

I will emphasize that I have not read the script, and am basing this entirely on the trailer. Thus, I will point out that my conclusions might be proven entirely wrong before you do it for me.

People can compare this to the butchery in many other action films. However, what stood out to me (and perhaps not to others) was that the emphasis seemed not to be on action and more on torture and brutality. Action films appeal to the audience's sense of excitement. Yes, I admit some of my favorite films have body counts in the hundreds, but it does not dwell on it. The focus is on making you thrilled and exhilirated with crazy car chases, gun fights, and improbably large explosions. Here, and this is going completely on the trailer, there seems to be an unhealthy emphasis on sadistic violence, which appeals to the audience's sense of...well, I'd rather not imagine.

If you disagree with me, feel free to tell me I'm completely wrong, but give at least a passing explanation. And, in response to one of the earliest posts, I found the notion that "it's Nazis, so it's okay" rather repulsive. These appear to be German infantry grunts, and characterizing them as all complicit in Nazi Germany's crimes against humanity is simply wrong. If the titular basterds turn out be fighting something along the lines of SS execution squads liquidating those they deem untermenschen, well, then, I might be able to ease off.

Glad to know I'm not alone. No one I know whose seen the trailer seems particularly taken with it. One strictly for the Hostel/Saw crowd who are in it for the blood lust.

 

[Thunderclap]

I am not averse to having a WWII film that does not attempt to force a message along the lines of "War is Hell" or something similar that can understandably be seen as heavy-handed. If someone wants to make a film where heroic, square-jawed American GIs are blowing away dastardly Nazis go ahead. That scene with the one American running down the hall blazing away with the machine gun did look totally sweet, but the sadistic streak that is clearly evident in other scenes rather sickens me. One may argue that its mere presence is not glorifying it, but why put it there at all then?

Maybe Tarantino's setting us up for a huge bait-and-switch and this will turn out be some kind of a deconstruction of your Hollywood war film, but somehow I doubt it.

 

[Kadayi]

If it's anything like the script I read, it's no action movie. Adrenalin junkies looking for WW2 asswhoopings in a John Woo style will be deeply disappointed I'm afraid.

 

[2Fast4U]

If it's anything like the script I read, it's no action movie. Adrenalin junkies looking for WW2 asswhoopings in a John Woo style will be deeply disappointed I'm afraid.

That is very good news.

 

[mastag]