Intelligent Design Legit or No

[>>FrEnZy<<]

If God turned up on my doorstep, I'd punch the **** in the face and slam the door.

Why do you say this? is it because you believe god is responsible for the misfortunes that have been wraught upon the people? People are the only ones that can be held responsible for the cruetly and misfortune that happen to other people. For example, people live in poverty not because of god, but because of greedy people. God is a means of unifying people under a system of values that works to create harmony between all people, no matter who they are.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

killing god is bad, because god is a being of perfection, a being that we idolise and strive to abide by.

You speak for yourself.

Why do you say this? is it because you believe god is responsible for the misfortunes that have been wraught upon the people?

No, I say it because I believe that if God exists, he/she is a ****. Simple, really.

People are the only ones that can be held responsible for the cruetly and misfortune that happen to other people. For example, people live in poverty not because of god, but because of greedy people.

Here's a tip - don't decide what you think someone means, and then argue against it. It just ends up with you looking like you're talking to yourself.

God is a means of unifying people under a system of values that works to create harmony between all people, no matter who they are.

So I guess we just imagined all those religious wars then?
Anyway, Organised Religion is a means of controlling people under a system of values that works to prevent free thought.

 

[kirovman]

I also like how they also say God is perfect, yet they say he has emotions like anger and jealousy.

Also systems like the Church and Monarchy enforced religion over the years. Corrupt human-lead insitituions.

 

[Absinthe]

The doctrine of science, like all other doctrines, is simply a way of seeing things. It is a way in seeing things that allows man to observe reality as effectively as possible and invent according to these observations...

In other words, Man in the attempt to assume power for himself so that he may take on the role of god, has killed god.

Great. How's that a religion?

In all honesty, Frenzy, I think you just like to spout out gloom/doom pseudointellectual BS in an attempt to sound deep. A lot of your words are shallow nonsense.

 

[OCybrManO]

spout out . . . pseudointellectual BS in an attempt to sound deep

That's like half of the people on the forum...

 

[Absinthe]

Ah, true. But this is just nuts. "Man has replaced God because science is the religion of human creation and although we are not omnipotent we are kinda close to it UND GOTT IST TOT lalelulelo..."

That's the talk of a crazy person, or somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about.

 

[kirovman]

It's also the talk of someone who has very little understanding of science.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

And the difference between religion and philosophy.

Oups.

Here's a tip - don't decide what you think someone means, and then argue against it. It just ends up with you looking like you're talking to yourself.

In other words, a F's making straw men.

 

[>>FrEnZy<<]

In all honesty, Frenzy, I think you just like to spout out gloom/doom pseudointellectual BS in an attempt to sound deep. A lot of your words are shallow nonsense.

I am deep, BIATCH.

 

[>>FrEnZy<<]

No, I say it because I believe that if God exists, he/she is a ****. Simple, really.

And Im asking Why? and asking is it because you think god is responsbile for the bad things that are happening to humanity. Why do you need to get so touchy for? Your a moderator, be moderate.

So I guess we just imagined all those religious wars then?
Anyway, Organised Religion is a means of controlling people under a system of values that works to prevent free thought.

Those wars were lead by people. Im saying, that god is a unified system of values held by alot of people. Whether that may be Buhddism, Christianity or Western Culture. Besides, every form of organisation with power has always been a means of controlling people. People NEED to be control, and controlling their thoughts is the most effective way of doing that. Without control there is chaos.

 

[Absinthe]

God and his Word may be perfect, but it is ultimately humans that are responsible for its dissemination and implementation. That's all that matters when you get down to the bottom of it. The actual existence of such a god is pretty much an irrelevance.

 

[>>FrEnZy<<]

I agree, but i would say that The existance of god's word influences the way in which humans disseminate and impletment, hence the relevancy of his existance.

 

[Kyorisu]

Killing god sounds like a fine idea to me.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

And Im asking Why? and asking is it because you think god is responsbile for the bad things that are happening to humanity. Why do you need to get so touchy for? Your a moderator, be moderate.

You think that's getting touchy? Trust me, you've never seen me being "touchy". Also, a moderator isn't here to be "moderate" - I suggest you find a better definition.

Those wars were lead by people. Im saying, that god is a unified system of values held by alot of people. Whether that may be Buhddism, Christianity or Western Culture. Besides, every form of organisation with power has always been a means of controlling people. People NEED to be control, and controlling their thoughts is the most effective way of doing that. Without control there is chaos.

Now there's a viewpoint at odds with everything else you've said.

 

[digitalfire]

If evolution is true, there is no concept whatsoever of right and wrong. Hey, if its okay for animals to eat each other, why can't I eat you? And why should I let some person who evolved from a rock tell me it's "wrong" to rob a bank? I should be able to make any choice I want, right? How can people even use the words "right" and "wrong" when they do not have any basis of truth? It's truly scary to think of what this world is coming to.

"If you tell a lie long enough, loud enough, and often enough, the people will believe it." -Adolph Hitler

 

[Icarusintel]

I don't think I was intelligently designed... unless something went wrong when I got to the production phase

 

[Raziaar]

If evolution is true, there is no concept whatsoever of right and wrong. Hey, if its okay for animals to eat each other, why can't I eat you? And why should I let some person who evolved from a rock tell me it's "wrong" to rob a bank? I should be able to make any choice I want, right? How can people even use the words "right" and "wrong" when they do not have any basis of truth? It's truly scary to think of what this world is coming to.

"If you tell a lie long enough, loud enough, and often enough, the people will believe it." -Adolph Hitler

Alot of people already think that way. Too many people.

 

[Razor]

It is a theory that has the right to be taught in public as long as it is taught in Religious Education classes and not science classes, unless, their is concrete scientific proof to base Intelligent Design on.

 

[CptStern]

which there isnt ...ID shouldnt be taught in a religious education class ...maybe a christian education class but not a general religious education class

 

[CptStern]

If evolution is true, there is no concept whatsoever of right and wrong. Hey, if its okay for animals to eat each other, why can't I eat you? And why should I let some person who evolved from a rock tell me it's "wrong" to rob a bank? I should be able to make any choice I want, right? How can people even use the words "right" and "wrong" when they do not have any basis of truth? It's truly scary to think of what this world is coming to.

"If you tell a lie long enough, loud enough, and often enough, the people will believe it." -Adolph Hitler

I whole heartedly reject that notion as both grossly inaccurate and insulting to people of other religious faiths. As if the bible is the only means of learning morality :upstare: I dont need a passage in book to tell me that murdering someone is wrong ...btw how do you feel about capital punishment?

 

[Mechagodzilla]

"If you tell a lie long enough, loud enough, and often enough, the people will believe it." -Adolph Hitler

BING BING BING!!
WE HAVE A WINNER.

Comparing all of science to the extermination of jews? Brilliant, stupid!
Of course, that quote is much more about FAITH and how people can be fooled into rejecting rationality and logic (aka science) by creating BELIEF SYSTEMS for them.

:x dur. :x

I love how the only thing stopping digitalfire from murdering us is the idea that he might go to hell if he does.
I find that infintely scary, that there are people out there who act 'moral' for purely self-serving reasons (getting heaven's toy surprise).


On one hand we've got a 2000+ year old book that may/may not have been written by a crazy man.
On the other, we've got the collective rational thoughts of human history.
Guess which one's the lie?

Apparently if you tell the truth "long enough, loud enough, and often enough" some people will do anything to believe you are wrong.
Including comparing you to hitler, I guess.

 

[CptStern]

"I love how the only thing stopping digitalfire from murdering us is the idea that he might go to hell if he does."


...... :| .....:sniper:

 

[Absinthe]

If evolution is true, there is no concept whatsoever of right and wrong. Hey, if its okay for animals to eat each other, why can't I eat you? And why should I let some person who evolved from a rock tell me it's "wrong" to rob a bank? I should be able to make any choice I want, right? How can people even use the words "right" and "wrong" when they do not have any basis of truth? It's truly scary to think of what this world is coming to.

Oh my! Reasoning and empathy are of course no longer valid if evolution is true! If our arbitrary sense of right and wrong is but a human creation, then obviously we shall turn into amoral anarchists that kill at random and rape our daughters in spite of our own human emotions and natural inclinations.

How ridiculous. If the only thing keeping you moral is God's will, then I assert that I'm a far better man than you.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Godwin's Law strikes again!

 

[Flyingdebris]

all that evolution states is that over long periods of time tiny changes within a species eventually become greater changes and eventually result in new species. These changes will either benefit the species and it will become sucessful or they may be a detriment and cause the species to be unsucessful.

This has absolutely nothing to do with morality.

Just because humans and apes more than likely share a common ancestor has nothing to do with me being kind, courteous, moral, and civil with other humans.

 

[Kmack]

thats priceless

 

[Stigmata]

If evolution is true, there is no concept whatsoever of right and wrong. Hey, if its okay for animals to eat each other, why can't I eat you? And why should I let some person who evolved from a rock tell me it's "wrong" to rob a bank? I should be able to make any choice I want, right? How can people even use the words "right" and "wrong" when they do not have any basis of truth? It's truly scary to think of what this world is coming to.

I'm sorry, but that's quite possibly one of the worst leaps of logic I've ever read.

 

[Ennui]

I am going to agree with Stigmata on this one.

 

[Reaktor4]

If evolution is true, there is no concept whatsoever of right and wrong. Hey, if its okay for animals to eat each other, why can't I eat you? And why should I let some person who evolved from a rock tell me it's "wrong" to rob a bank? I should be able to make any choice I want, right? How can people even use the words "right" and "wrong" when they do not have any basis of truth? It's truly scary to think of what this world is coming to.

you are nuts.

 

[kirovman]

Agreed with the above few posts.

Crazy. We don't need higher powers in order to have ethics or moral values or humanity. It's all instinct and natural. Successful species don't tend to eat their own kind. We don't tend to fight, murder, steal in normal life (well not the more educated of us anyway) since we know that pain hurts and quite a lot of us have feeling of empathy.

Which is why we look down on such people as thieves, murderers etc.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Right that's it. Animals eat eachother all the time. Thus, I am going to eat you! :v

 

[Stigmata]

Agreed with the above few posts.

Crazy. We don't need higher powers in order to have ethics or moral values or humanity. It's all instinct and natural. Successful species don't tend to eat their own kind. We don't tend to fight, murder, steal in normal life (well not the more educated of us anyway) since we know that pain hurts and quite a lot of us have feeling of empathy.

Which is why we look down on such people as thieves, murderers etc.

Exactly.

Now if only we can get Mechagodzilla to explain this, using a hilarious metaphor that may/may not involve ghosts and a game of American football... :E

 

[Absinthe]

Now if only we can get Mechagodzilla to explain this, using a hilarious metaphor that may/may not involve ghosts and a game of American football... :E

Aye, Mecha deserves some kind of award for his talents in such areas.

 

[NeptuneUK]

i dont understand, all we hear is religious people bitching that scientists are being ignorant to their theories (beleifs...) theores wtf!?!? i think that there's a pink unicorn on the moon. is that a theory??... anyway they bitch about science being ignorant to their beleifs yet they completely ignore the scientific facts replacing ancient religious beleifs (which are usually thousands of years old) scientists havent completely ignored ID theory though, they know what it is and what it states and have evaluated it as being a non-factual beleif which breaks many existing laws of science. ancient religious beleifs were just created by the respected leaders of their time time to try and explain to people why everything exists using knowlegde only comprehendable to their minds. for example it would be very difficult to explain to an ancient person the concept of atoms or even that the world is spherical!
of course as we have progressed through time we have also progressed with knowledge and we no longer have the need to beleive outragous stories to help us understand the world around us, hence creationism, or whatever they call it nowadays has been rendered obsolete. we need to move on as a race and begin discarding obvious false information and replacing it with facts (which we know and can prove) or theories based on factual observations.
anyway religion is needed, it is an import source of morals and philosophy for many people and should be regarded in that way. the problem nowadays is that people are still treating religious texts as a source of factual information and ignoring the important moral and philosophical content in which religion should be based upon.
kthxbyelolwtfbbq!?!?!

 

[Stigmata]

religion is needed, it is an import source of morals and philosophy for many people and should be regarded in that way.

Just like this lovely gem?

I agree with all that you said, up until this. I'm sure morals were around long before the Bible was "created by God" i.e. written by a bunch of crackpots to impose their morals on the masses. Besides, as that link proves, the Bible is more a source of hatred and bigotry than morality.

 

[NeptuneUK]

^ this is also true

 

[kirovman]

Religion is fine, until you get people using it for power/influence, which is what has been happening with Monarchy, the Church, terrorism and indeed with the United States government.

 

[Milkman]

Its quite obvious to me that there is no backing to it. It is an attempt by creationists to "compromise" with evolution on their terms.

 

[Jintor]

If i was intelligently designed... why am i so screwed?

 

[NeptuneUK]

If i was intelligently designed... why am i so screwed?

makes good entertainment for god's reality show