Iran racial badges propaganda exposed

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the story is a lie

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/themix/36610/

it was started by the national post ..a right wing National Post from information given by Amir Taheri who isnt even a journalist. He works for a PR firm Benador Associates

"Benador Associates is a public relations firm that was founded by Eleana Benador, the former director of Daniel Pipe's Middle East Forum, a hard-line think thank whose members have urged for wider U.S. intervention in the Middle East. Benador's list of experts reads like a who's who of heavy hitters in the neoconservative advocacy world. Clients include Frank Gaffney, Richard Perle, Michael Ledeen, and James Woolsey."

in other words a paid shill for the bush admin masquerading as a journalist

incidentily Benador Associates members include Richard Perle and James Woolsey ..both members of PNAC

the only jewish MP in Iran spoke out against that bit of propaganda

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19196947-1702,00.html
 
Thats shocking.
Im appalled people led the press get away with this sorta stuff.
 
heh they circumvented any sort of media accountability by publishing the story in a canadian newspaper (National Post)
 
Kick them in the balls I say. Only way to stop this debautchery.
 
nah they just retracted the story ..as did the newyork times

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/717935.html


thankfully most canadians recognise the National Post as a right-wing mouth piece and take what they say with a grain of salt ...however I was surprised about how easy it was for most westerners to believe iran would do that
 
...however I was surprised about how easy it was for most westerners to believe iran would do that
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You were?
Why?
Im quite sure I dont need to tell you that this is the way it works if you want to demonise a nation/person/race/creed/religion...etc.
Little propaganda pieces like this are among the first signs of conflict preparation (like evil dafodills in a sense).
The positive side of this is that the retraction has had some media exposure, so its not all doom and gloom.
 
Mr Motammed said he had been present in parliament when a bill to promote "an Iranian and Islamic style of dress for women" was voted.
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They're still a bunch of fruitcakes though.
 
SAJ said:
You were?
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ok that's a lie ...but the alternative would be that I confess that I think the majority of westerners are stupid ...but that's not very nice

SAJ said:
Im quite sure I dont need to tell you that this is the way it works if you want to demonise a nation/person/race/creed/religion...etc.
Little propaganda pieces like this are among the first signs of conflict preparation (like evil dafodills in a sense).
The positive side of this is that the retraction has had some media exposure, so its not all doom and gloom.
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ya sure, it makes it easier to kill them if you dehumanise them. However I didnt expect them to come up with such a blatant lie ..especially one that could be easily verified ..plus it originated in canada ..while the National Post is right wing, it's not Fox"news"
 
Iran is a sick and twisted country, so I wouldn't actually be too suprised if it was true. But, thankfully, it's not.
 
actually I know someone who went there for 2 months on a work contract ..he said people were very friendly (then again they knew he was canadian :) ) He also said that few people are very religious ..most are like you and me, more concerned about mundane every day things than spirituality ..of course that doesnt go for everyone ...anyways you cant say that Iranians are "sick" no more than you can say all americans are war mongers
 
CptStern said:
actually I know someone who went there for 2 months on a work contract ..he said people were very friendly (then again they knew he was canadian :) ) He also said that few people are very religious ..most are like you and me, more concerned about mundane every day things than spirituality ..of course that doesnt go for everyone ...anyways you cant say that Iranians are "sick" no more than you can say all americans are war mongers
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He said Iran, not Iranians. And if what you say it's true he is right.
If most are not religious and yet they let the mullah's be the highest authority, then the country is most likely a semi dicatorship, which is quite ****ed up.
 
I never once said that the Iranian people is sick. I'm sure they're all very nice, but most of them have been brainwashed by religion. In Iran women are being tortured for having sex outside marrige, Homosexuality is punished by death and men have the right to rape their wives. I would call that pretty twisted, wouldn't you?

That being said, invading their country and killing their children won't help much.
 
ya but dont cofuse the religion with the government ..islamic law dictates that homosexuiality is a sin, they've just interpreted it to mean "punishable by death" ..even then it's after 4 convictions ...still I'm not defending or condoning their rules ..however that does not give us the right to interfere because were that the case the list of nations that need intervention would be long indeed

oh and it's really not that common that people are put to death for being gay ..in fact Iran recently made it legal for transgender people to have a transgender operation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_Iran
 
Isn't the current US administration trying to criminalise homosexuality?

Pot, meet kettle.
 
Stern, how can you possibly not condemn their rules and laws? I think that something will have to be done, not just Iran, but countries like Saudi Arabia or Sudan as well. If you are born as a woman or homosexual in any of these countries you are doomed to a life of misery and oppression, and I think it's our obligation to stop it. Obviously not by invasion, that will just do more harm that good, but through other means, such as sanctions and the support for democratic groups within the country.

The past few years some small steps were made towards liberation, but with the new presedent in place it's looking dark. The mullas must allow a presidental candidate before he can run, so the religion have huge power in their politics.
 
I've already stated I dont condone such behaviour ..however it is not our place to step in whenever we dont agree with something ..that just gives them the right to do the same
 
Oh, I mistook condone for condemn... sorry.

While you're right that no one has the right to act world police, we're not talking about a small matter that we disagree over, we're talking about the lives of millions of women and others within the borders of these fundamentalist countries. As I said, invasion is not the way, but I think that we make a mistake if we don't act one way or another to put an end to this.
 
yes but where do we draw the line? should we sanction South Dakota because they dont allow single people and gays to adopt? or how about countries that have capital punishment? it's a barbaric practice that shouldnt be practiced in this day and age ..my point is that what's ok for some isnt ok for others ...I'm sure there's amny people the world wide who would rather see gays dead ...but you cant start rounding them up because you become no better than them

I hate quoting jesus but

"let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
 
Yes, the ever lasting question of where the line should be drawn. I actually don't know, but I recognize that there's difference between not letting gays to adopt and to stone them to death. But as you said, what makes our values right and their wrong?
 
well guess stoning someone to death is universally wrong ...but it wasnt always like that


believe me I'd like for the entire world to be invaded, religious intolerance wiped off the earth and everyone given a fair opportunity to live in peace/happiness ...unforetunately it's just not going to happen
 
And if it did, it would go bad very, very quickly.

Road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that.
 
for sure ...you'd probably have to do away with a big percentage of the world's population


again I'm not saying we should do that
 
Sulkdodds said:
And if it did, it would go bad very, very quickly.

Road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that.
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You should sticky that statement.
 
In Iran women are being tortured for having sex outside marrige, Homosexuality is punished by death and men have the right to rape their wives.
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Half right , right , wrong.

In Iran sex outside of marriage(for men and women) can be punishable by beatings and/or imprisonment. Adultery can carry the death penalty , but it is unusual as under sharia law the act must have two witnesses(not that that little fact of law has stopped some very keen judges, mind you).

Homosexuality has resulted in judicial killings (ie executions) and is technically punishable by stoning to death. Interestingly, you can apply for what amounts to a homosexuality licence in Iran, as it is recognised as an untreatable mental illness. Once you have your licence , you can do what you want provided it is discreet and with other "ill" persons.
The authorities attitudes throw up some bizarre situations regarding human sexuality, for example ; homosexuality is not recognised(as a non deviant condition) but transexuality is. The rsult is a disproportionate number of Iranians seek gender reassignment, when presumably they are in fact gay.


Im going to have to quote that last one again
and men have the right to rape their wives
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What the hell are you drinking ?!
No , Iranian men do not have the right to rape their wives. The rights to sex inside of marriage are usually a two way arrangement, detailed by a prenuptial agreement which is almost universal in most of Iran.

I would suggest, mr Monkey, that you do a little research and alot more thinking before you go around spouting ignorance in the guise of facts. You obviously have the time and the resources to furnish yourself with information, so their is little or no excuse.

Its a good example of how easy it is to plant a propaganda montage in the minds of people,(like the fake story from the original post) when they cant even be bothered to think for themselves.
 
mmmm yeah i read about this the other day
again, dont believe everything you read/hear
 
SAJ said:
Im going to have to quote that last one again What the hell are you drinking ?!
No , Iranian men do not have the right to rape their wives. The rights to sex inside of marriage are usually a two way arrangement, detailed by a prenuptial agreement which is almost universal in most of Iran.

I would suggest, mr Monkey, that you do a little research and alot more thinking before you go around spouting ignorance in the guise of facts. You obviously have the time and the resources to furnish yourself with information, so their is little or no excuse.

Its a good example of how easy it is to plant a propaganda montage in the minds of people,(like the fake story from the original post) when they cant even be bothered to think for themselves.
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The wives have no right to deny their men sex. If a man wants sex, he'll get sex.
 
While Iran is obviously the target of a rather large smear campaign right now, I don't actually find that implausible since it was only in the early 90s that marital rape was actually recognised as a crime here.
 
The wives have no right to deny their men sex. If a man wants sex, he'll get sex.
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Reliable source please, Mr Monkey.
 
kirovman said:
Isn't the current US administration trying to criminalise homosexuality?
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No

He did want to amend the constitution so they couldn't get married though. Had to get something else instead. I can't remember the name but the thing was shot down pretty quick anyway.
 
Sainku said:
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not entirely true:


According to the Associated Press, sodomy laws remained on the books in 13 states as of the middle of 2003. "Sodomy" was illegal for everyone -- gay and straight -- in Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia. In addition, four contiguous states, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas, criminalized certain forms of private, consensual sexual behavior between persons of the same gender, but permited them if performed by a man and woman

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_laws.htm

although the US supreme court has deemed some of these laws unconstitutional ..some are still in existence

http://www.religioustolerance.org/homscotus.htm
 
We have lots of silly laws on books that aren't enforced. For instance in this state it is illegal to shoot off a policemans tie, or carry an ice cream cone in your pocket. And it isn't the current US administration who made those sodomy laws. So it was entirely true :p
 
ya they're never enforced


religioustolerance.org said:
Police in Texas found two gay men engaging in private sexual activity in the apartment of one of the men. They were arrested and charged with a misdemeanor for what the law calls "deviate sexual intercourse."
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_laws4.htm

it was so silly that the supreme court had to intervene in order to declare it unconstitutional
 
Texas doesn't count, that isn't fair! It didn't hold up anyway even if they did have to go to the supreme court.

I know there is more than one case where this has happend. But it isn't like the entire country is dedicated to putting homosexuals in jail. For the most part it is accepted.
 
yes but it had to go to the supreme court ...regardless of the outcome nothing changes the fact that their rights were violated ..that's just one case
 
An interesting piece of background info on this story...
Will Elena Benador Start World War III?
Bob Fertik
May 23, 2006

Joseph Cannon rightly calls our attention to Elena Benador, the woman who played a crucial role in brainwashing millions of Americans into supporting the invasion of Iraq - and is trying to do the same in Iran. Here's what the Jim Lobe wrote about her in 2003:

When historians look back on the United States war in Iraq, they will almost certainly be struck by how a small group of mainly neo-conservative analysts and activists outside the administration were able to shape the US media debate in ways that made the drive to war so much easier than it might have been... But historians would be negligent if they ignored the day-to-day work of one person who, as much as anyone outside the administration, made their media ubiquity possible. Meet Elena Benador, the Peruvian-born publicist for [Richard] Perle, [James] Woolsey, Michael Ledeen, Frank Gaffney and a dozen other prominent neo-conservatives whose hawkish opinions proved very hard to avoid for anyone who watched news talk shows or read the op-ed pages of major newspapers over the past 20 months.

Now Benador's clients are working just as hard to get the U.S. to invade Iran. One of her clients is Amir Taheri, who is a "commentator for CNN." (CNN does not publish a list of commentators, which is extremely suspicious. What are they hiding?) Taheri became infamous this week for writing a bogus story claiming Iran just passed a law requiring Jews to wear yellow stripes.
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source; http://www.democrats.com/node/9012

Its not proof of anything per se , but it does show the link between a demonstrably false news story and people with the motive to put it there.
 
hehe they were the same people making the rounds during the build up to the iraq war

found this interesting:

Source Watch said:
A number of Iraq hawks, including Perle and Woolsey, are clients of Eleana Benador, whose PR firm, Benador Associates, doubles as an "international speakers bureau." Other Benador clients, many of whom have a prior history of advancing aggressive military policies and promoting dirty wars, include:

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conservative Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer, who criticized the New York Times in August for reporting that prominent Republicans were dissenting from Bush's Iraq war plans
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dissident Iraqi nuclear scientist Dr. Khidir Hamza
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Alexander Haig, former US Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan
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Michael Ledeen, another AEI fellow and a prominent figure in the Reagan administration's Iran/Contra scandal who helped broker the covert arms deal between the US and Iran

In an October 14 article for WorkingForChange.com, Bill Berkowitz reported that Benador's "high-powered media relations" company gets her clients "maximum exposure on cable's talking-head television programs and [places] their op-ed pieces in a number of the nation's major newspapers." Benador and her clients have assumed a prominent role in shaping the public debate over US Middle East policy.
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incidentily Benedor associates services about 34 high profile neo-conservatives, some are also members of PNAC
 
The Monkey said:
Iran is a sick and twisted country, so I wouldn't actually be too suprised if it was true. But, thankfully, it's not.
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Go to hell.
 
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