Iranian Fast Boats Swarm U.S. Warships In Persian Gulf

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I think the title says it all. Early this morning in the Persian Gulf, five Iranian speed boats intercept three United States warships coming incredibly close (too close in my opinion) to becoming cannon fodder.

It is hard to believe that U.S. Naval commanders allowed these fast moving boats to get so close to our warships. One of which I recognize as a Ticonderoga Class Cruiser, aka... a whole lot of whoop ass.

And before the regular bunch of numb-nuts tries to say this was a fake "Gulf of Tonkin" attempt by the U.S. Military, it's already been confirmed as real by the Iranian military.

I'll bet if they try this again, these guys in their little speed boats will get a heavy dose of CWIS aka Phalanx lead poisoning. (or is it depleted uranium?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzi2X5VG_6c
 
Andrew LB said:
I think the title says it all. Early this morning in the Persian Gulf, five Iranian speed boats intercept three United States warships coming incredibly close (too close in my opinion) to becoming cannon fodder.

It is hard to believe that U.S. Naval commanders allowed these fast moving boats to get so close to our warships. One of which I recognize as a Ticonderoga Class Cruiser, aka... a whole lot of whoop ass.

And before the regular bunch of numb-nuts tries to say this was a fake "Gulf of Tonkin" attempt by the U.S. Military, it's already been confirmed as real by the Iranian military.

I'll bet if they try this again, these guys in their little speed boats will get a heavy dose of CWIS aka Phalanx lead poisoning. (or is it depleted uranium?)
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Iranian state-run TV has broadcast video it says shows a controversial naval stand-off between Revolutionary Guards patrols and US warships. There is no sign of threatening behaviour by the Iranian boats, as alleged by US officials who said their actions were dangerous and provocative.
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I don't get it, even if the Iranians were planning on attacking them, they were in these little dingy's against American warships, they would have got the shit blown out of them.
 
Solaris said:
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I don't get it, even if the Iranians were planning on attacking them, they were in these little dingy's against American warships, they would have got the shit blown out of them.
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They would utilize the most efficient large boss battle strategy. Swift movements against a big opponent... the large opponent is slow to react. Zig zag around his predictable gun swivel motion paths to avoid his shots and move in close for the weak spot.
 
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Anyway, who knows the truth? But I suspect there is little chance that Iranian speedboats tried to offend US naval army. If they decided to attack, why would they leave? It doesn't quite make sense to me. The action in the video was meaningless and stupid.
 
Solaris said:
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I don't get it, even if the Iranians were planning on attacking them, they were in these little dingy's against American warships, they would have got the shit blown out of them.
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I take it you don't recall what happened in 2000 at a port in Yemen....

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Hmm.... a tragic accident vs. an intentional act of war/aggression.

great comparison.... :rolleyes:
 
Andrew LB said:
Hmm.... a tragic accident vs. an intentional act of war/aggression.

great comparison.... :rolleyes:
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of course it's a "tragic accident" to you ..not so for most iranians

An analysis of the events by the International Strategic Studies Association described the deployment of an Aegis cruiser in the zone as irresponsible and felt that the expense of the ship had played a major part in the setting of a low threshold for opening fire.[16] The Vincennes had been nicknamed 'Robocruiser' by crew members and other US Navy ships, both in reference to its AEGIS system, and to the supposed aggressive tendencies of its captain.[2]

On November 6, 2003 the International Court of Justice ruled that "the actions of the United States of America against Iranian oil platforms on 19 October 1987 and 18 April 1988 cannot be justified as measures necessary to protect the essential security interests of the United States of America."[17] However, the case relating to the Airbus downing, "the Aerial Incident of 3 July 1988, (Islamic Republic of Iran v. United States of America)", was dropped 22 February 1996 following settlement and reparations by the United States.[18]

Three years after the incident, Admiral William J. Crowe admitted on American television show Nightline that the Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters when it launched the missiles.[19] This contradicted earlier Navy statements.

According to Commander David R Carlson of the USS Sides, the Vincennes was not under attack by Iranian forces and "the conduct of the Iranian military forces in the month preceeding the incident was pointedly non-threatening." [20]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655#Independent_sources
 
Stern has a new friend to play with!
 
Eejit said:
Stern has a new friend to play with!
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I think the plays over as far as that one goes. US ship in their waters shoots down a commercial Jumbo jet..

Too much Red Meat and too many cowboy films...
 
CptStern said:
of course it's a "tragic accident" to you ..not so for most iranians



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655#Independent_sources
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Ah... a wiki source. Always a great way to prove a point. haha.

The United States Navy does not shoot down commercial airliners on purpose. The incident occurred during a time of heightened tensions because of our involvement with Iraq in the 80's supporting them in their war against Iran. A horrible mistake was made by a naval officer while trying to protect his ship and crew from a perceived threat. /argument.


Btw... weren't we talking about Iranian fast boats swarming a group of 3 warships? Iirc, that was the topic at hand.
 
Kadayi Polokov said:
I think the plays over as far as that one goes. US ship in their waters shoots down a commercial Jumbo jet..

Too much Red Meat and too many cowboy films...
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FYI, the straights of Hormuz and much of the persian gulf have territorial lines which tend to be different almost every other day. If you recall, the location of the British soldiers who were taken hostage was clearly in Iraqi waters by any chart i've looked at yet the lines were drawn quite differently on the charts Iran had.
 
Andrew LB said:
FYI, the straights of Hormuz and much of the persian gulf have territorial lines which tend to be different almost every other day. If you recall, the location of the British soldiers who were taken hostage was clearly in Iraqi waters by any chart i've looked at yet the lines were drawn quite differently on the charts Iran had.
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right ...

Three years after the incident, Admiral William J. Crowe admitted on American television show Nightline that the Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters when it launched the missiles
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Craig, Morales & Oliver, in a slide presentation published in M.I.T.'s Spring 2004 Aeronautics & Astronautics, as the "USS Vincennes Incident," commented that Captain Rogers had "an undeniable and unequivocal tendency towards what I call 'picking a fight.'" On his own initiative, Rogers moved the Vincennes 50 miles northeast to join the USS Montgomery. An angry Captain McKenna ordered Rogers back to Abu Musa, but the Vincennes helicopter pilot, Lt Mark Collier, followed the Iranian speedboats as they retreated north, eventually taking some fire:

"?the Vincennes jumps back into the fray. Heading towards the majority of the speedboats, he is unable to get a clear target. Also, the speedboats are now just slowly milling about in their own territorial waters. Despite clear information to the contrary, Rogers informs command that the gunboats are gathering speed and showing hostile intent and gains approval to fire upon them at 0939. Finally, in another fateful decision, he crosses the 12-mile limit off the coast and enters illegally into Iranian waters."
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I wouldn't bother GI Joe already openly declared he wouldn't be listening to any 'liberal BS' in another thread. Save time and effort, slap an ignore on him and watch his empty troll posts sink to the bottom of the pile. The captain could of been strangling babies and throwing them onto a fire and he's still be a patriot apparently :dozey:
 
wow, a very helpful comment on the subject you had there nurizeko.
 
CptStern said:
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So did the British when Iran grabbed their soldiers. It doesn't mean they actually did.

And as for the good Admiral... I'd hardly put faith in anything he'd say to "Nightline" long after the fact. It's kinda like believing John Kerry's testimony before congress stating that he committed and witnessed war crimes long after the fact in order to push his twisted political views. He was more than shown to be a fraud... and I've heard the same about Admiral Crowe over the years, including my friend who was the U.S. Ambassador at the time to Israel... and was right in the middle of the situation. He later worked as a CIA/NSA consultant and gave me the true facts of the situation that the Admiral faced at the moment of having to fire on the jet. And the facts were that the systems on Vincennes alerted them to an Iranian aircraft coming at a direct path towards the warship and neither had their aircraft designation transponder activated that showed what type of aircraft it was, but they also didn't respond to any radio communication AND the jet was approaching at an attack angle almost exclusively used by fighter/bomber aircraft.

Now I'm going to listen to a close friend who knows a hell of a lot more about the incident than the crap you've dug up from your various media sources.

The garbage you've dug up sounds like it came from the same sources that said that 9/11 was an inside job and that Bin Laden is living happily as a CIA agent somewhere in the United States.

Bah... ignorance.
 
Andrew LB said:
Now I'm going to listen to a close friend who knows a hell of a lot more about the incident than the crap you've dug up from your various media sources.
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What's next? You going to extol us about your time as an bodyguard to Dubya himself? In one thread you claim to be Mr College, in another you claim to be Mr Airborne and now you're claiming to be good friends with the former Ambassador to Israel? On top of that you're a gaming geek? yeah right :dozey:
 
Rofl Well for YOUR information Andrew, I happened to be commanding said vessel at the time and we were 200 miles in Iranian waters and fired on Planes for fun.


Hurrah! Game set and match.
 
Andrew LB said:
And as for the good Admiral... I'd hardly put faith in anything he'd say to "Nightline" long after the fact. It's kinda like believing John Kerry's testimony before congress stating that he committed and witnessed war crimes long after the fact in order to push his twisted political views. He was more than shown to be a fraud... and I've heard the same about Admiral Crowe over the years, including my friend who was the U.S. Ambassador at the time to Israel... and was right in the middle of the situation. He later worked as a CIA/NSA consultant and gave me the true facts of the situation that the Admiral faced at the moment of having to fire on the jet. And the facts were that the systems on Vincennes alerted them to an Iranian aircraft coming at a direct path towards the warship and neither had their aircraft designation transponder activated that showed what type of aircraft it was, but they also didn't respond to any radio communication AND the jet was approaching at an attack angle almost exclusively used by fighter/bomber aircraft.

Now I'm going to listen to a close friend who knows a hell of a lot more about the incident than the crap you've dug up from your various media sources.

The garbage you've dug up sounds like it came from the same sources that said that 9/11 was an inside job and that Bin Laden is living happily as a CIA agent somewhere in the United States.

Bah... ignorance.
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:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

You are right, we have absolutely no reason to believe a war hero such as John Kerry, or an admiral, but should believe some random claims by some random idiot on the internet.
 
No Limit said:
:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

You are right, we have absolutely no reason to believe a war hero such as John Kerry, or an admiral, but should believe some random claims by some random idiot on the internet.
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John Kerry was NOT a war hero and was shown countless times that the guy was a fraud. While I do respect the fact that John Kerry did serve his nation in the Vietnam war, the facts clearly showed that when he signed up, he got a cushy job aboard an offshore naval vessel courtesy of his close family friend, General Nimitz. It was only after the swift boats had their mission changed from offshore patrol to a close support water craft that he first attempted to get a transfer. But when that was denied, he was then forced into harms way.

And his award of the silver star was also shown by multiple witnesses who served with Kerry to not be some heroic act, but rather a dereliction of duty and wreckless endangerment of his crew by GROUNDING a Naval vessel where his crew shot a viet-cong soldier in the back with a .50cal (probably blowing him to pieces) and then returning with a B50 rocket launcher. If this action was done by any naval officer other than John Kerry with his massive political ties both inside and outside the Navy, he would have been court marshaled and charged with dereliction of duty.

Instead he got a silver star courtesy of his family's dreams to make him a "war hero" much like his idol John F Kennedy. He also received 3 purple hearts for nothing more than minor flesh wounds which should have never received the Purple Heart.... but that was all part of his attempt to get the hell out of Vietnam after he got what he was after.

And lets not even get into his post-war record where he made incredible lies under oath in front of the US Congress about countless things which were all proven to be NOT TRUE.

My father was a recipient of the Silver Star during the Vietnam war for a feat about 100x more heroic and dangerous than anything John Kerry ever did. He also received "flesh and shrapnel" wounds on countless occasions and never petitioned to get himself purple hearts. Only after receiving a bullet wound in his lower leg in the incident where he received the silver star did he receive a purple heart.

What's next? You going to extol us about your time as an bodyguard to Dubya himself? In one thread you claim to be Mr College, in another you claim to be Mr Airborne and now you're claiming to be good friends with the former Ambassador to Israel? On top of that you're a gaming geek? yeah right
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Yes, I have a degree in Political Science and a minor in Constitutional Law. And after college in early 2002 I signed up for the Army as my patriotic duty after the 9/11 attacks.

And yes again.... I personally know the former U.S. Ambassador to Israel during the late 80's. I do IT work for him on occasion at his penthouse in Beverly Hills, CA.

What me to drop some more names? I'm also a personal friend of the Chairman of the Red Cross in Los Angeles and will be having lunch with him on Monday. His name is Kirk Hyde. Here he is on the right. http://www.pasadenalivingmagazine.com/newpages/Pasadena_Red_Cross/IMAG017.JPG

I also personally know Capt. Paul Wedenhoeft, the #1 top brass in the USCG here in Long Beach and spent quite a few days on various Coast Guard Cutters and small patrol vessels. Quite fun stuff IMO.

So i've met a lot of very influential people over the years due to my service in the Military, work with the Red Cross, and support for the military and its returning veterans from the middle east.

I'm 29 years old and not your average internet jockey. And just because I'm on a gaming website with "very little posts" because I enjoy a good game like most of you, I tend to spend most of my political arguing on forums that aren't full of a bunch of kids who truly have no formal education in politics and spend their time getting in retarded flame wars.

I heard that Andrew's real name is Tom Clancy.
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.... damn I wish I had his money. :E
 
father was a silver star recipient, winner of 17 cleo awards and once escaped from a tiger trap ..with the tiger still in it ..with only his bare hands and a chicken wire ..in the middle of a snowstorm ..and he's best friends with admiral Paul Bernardo who once single handed saved america from the dreaded huns ...and ..


look lose the attitude, no one likes a pompous ass who thinks he's too good for us ..you'll find no one will be willing to discuss anything with you


btw on the Internets I'm a pirate ..I used to be Han Solo but he got kind of boring what with the leia I love you and the constant pew pew
 
CptStern said:
father was a silver star recipient, winner of 17 cleo awards and once escaped from a tiger trap ..with the tiger still in it ..with only his bare hands and a chicken wire ..in the middle of a snowstorm ..and he's best friends with admiral Paul Bernardo who once single handed saved america from the dreaded huns ...and ..


look lose the attitude, no one likes a pompous ass who thinks he's too good for us ..you'll find no one will be willing to discuss anything with you


btw on the Internets I'm a pirate ..I used to be Han Solo but he got kind of boring what with the leia I love you and the constant pew pew
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My father died to save mankind.
 
The attitude here is being directed at myself from many on this little political forum for being a conservative.

Your constant belittlement of another forum member is getting quite tiresome and is almost succeeding in making me just not return to talk politics on this forum. But i'm sure that has been the goal of the liberals here the entire time.

"If you can't prove them wrong.... make personal attacks, shut them up, or ban them...."


Reminds me of the huge crowd that came out with blow horns, drums, and megaphones when I went to go see Arnold Schwarzenegger speak at Long Beach State University a few years back. Even one of the protesters had the class to throw an egg at his $5,000 suit.


So lets get back to actually discussing the issues instead of the constant flame war.
 
American politics... :rolling:

Makes N.I. look sane...
 
Andrew LB said:
The attitude here is being directed at myself from many on this little political forum for being a conservative.

Your constant belittlement of another forum member is getting quite tiresome and is almost succeeding in making me just not return to talk politics on this forum. But i'm sure that has been the goal of the liberals here the entire time.

"If you can't prove them wrong.... make personal attacks, shut them up, or ban them...."


Reminds me of the huge crowd that came out with blow horns, drums, and megaphones when I went to go see Arnold Schwarzenegger speak at Long Beach State University a few years back. Even one of the protesters had the class to throw an egg at his $5,000 suit.


So lets get back to actually discussing the issues instead of the constant flame war.
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I don't think you'll ever be able to participate in a serious debate here.
 
Andrew LB said:
The attitude here is being directed at myself from many on this little political forum for being a conservative.
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riiight ..your first post in politics section:

Andrew LB said:
... and all you bleeding heart liberals out there... save your breath. There is nothing you can say in response to my statement that I cannot thoroughly blow out of the sky
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moar:

Andrew LB said:
You can take the hard facts and get over yourself or keep continuing to repeat the liberal mantra of "bush lied bush lied bush lied..."

It's up to you, but in the end... if you continue the latter you'll just continue to look foolish.
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Andrew LB said:
The garbage you've dug up sounds like it came from the same sources that said that 9/11 was an inside job and that Bin Laden is living happily as a CIA agent somewhere in the United States.

Bah... ignorance.
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Andrew LB said:
And before the regular bunch of numb-nuts tries to say this was
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Andrew LB said:
Interesting that those who sign up for and support our U.S. Military are REPUBLICANS. I didn't know a single democrat during my 4 years in the US ARMY Airborne and we were all happy to serve our country to protect the ideologies that people back home took for granted on the left side of the political spectrum.
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yet somehow it wasnt you who went down the partisan name calling road ..it's us, we're to blame for something you initiated ....right

Andrew LB said:
Your constant belittlement of another forum member is getting quite tiresome and is almost succeeding in making me just not return to talk politics on this forum. But i'm sure that has been the goal of the liberals here the entire time.
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it's a liberal conspiracy!!! :O

who is this member I belittle anyways? I belittle so many of them that it's hard to keep track of

Andrew LB said:
"If you can't prove them wrong.... make personal attacks, shut them up, or ban them...."
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or just accuse them of being "liberal" instead of actually answering their points ..hey it's a two way street n'est pas?


Andrew LB said:
Reminds me of the huge crowd that came out with blow horns, drums, and megaphones when I went to go see Arnold Schwarzenegger speak at Long Beach State University a few years back. Even one of the protesters had the class to throw an egg at his $5,000 suit.
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meh it's not like he couldnt afford another $5000 suit

"Maria, bring me da humvee and a fresh suit, I'll be back, I gotta go kill Mendoza"
 
I do IT work for him on occasion at his penthouse in Beverly Hills, CA.
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Cool, I work in "IT" too. This should be fun. "IT" is such a general term and the fact you used it tells me that you probably don't even know what "IT" stands for. But lets play. Specifically, what part of "IT" do you work in?
 
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