Iranian Fast Boats Swarm U.S. Warships In Persian Gulf

[No Limit]

And yes again.... I personally know the former U.S. Ambassador to Israel during the late 80's. I do IT work for him on occasion at his penthouse in Beverly Hills, CA.

I dont know why Im doing this but I find this amusing:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/ambassadors.html

Which one is your friend?

Both are in their 80s now so I don't understand what kind of "IT" work an 80 year old man would need, again be specific. Furthermore I don't know any 80 year old grandparents living in penthouses.

 

[Solaris]

This is fun.

 

[Andrew LB]

Cool, I work in "IT" too. This should be fun. "IT" is such a general term and the fact you used it tells me that you probably don't even know what "IT" stands for. But lets play. Specifically, what part of "IT" do you work in?

Systems Consultant as a part time job. But most of my time is working in the motorsports industry.

I dont know why Im doing this but I find this amusing:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...bassadors.html

Which one is your friend?

Both are in their 80s now so I don't understand what kind of "IT" work an 80 year old man would need, again be specific. Furthermore I don't know any 80 year old grandparents living in penthouses.

Yeah, he's on the list. And yes, he is a pretty darn old guy. Makes killer espresso.

He also has a residence in Israel and Switzerland.


And FYI, a penthouse is a term for the top floor large floor plan residence in a particularly high end and large building. When I come over, I'm always buzzed into the front lobby and then the security guy calls my friend to make sure its ok. Then a guard takes me to the elevator and uses his special key which grants access to the three top floor penthouse residences.

This is fun.

Yeah. It kinda is. I love making people look foolish when they make pathetic attempts at calling me a liar.

 

[No Limit]

Ok, you are a "systems consultant" that has a bunch of friends in high places, including really old 80 year old friends that live in pent houses and tell you millitary secrets. You joined the army in 2002 because you are a true patriot, you have a political science degree, and you are a gamer with a computer system worth thousands. In addition to this you had the time to get the education you need to be a professional system consultant. Wow, dude, someone should make a movie about you (or is that already being written?).

But you didn't really answer my question. What kind of system consulting does a 80 year old man need in his home? Did you consult him on how to turn on his PC? And can you please tell us which person on that list is you friend, this is kind of important. And finally what kind of education did you get to become a "system consultant" as usually this requires quite a bit of business education, education you wont get from political science.

I know its hard to tell when someone is lying on the internets but shit man, you make it too easy.

 

[nurizeko]

Yes, I have a degree in Political Science and a minor in Constitutional Law. And after college in early 2002 I signed up for the Army as my patriotic duty after the 9/11 attacks.

And yes again.... I personally know the former U.S. Ambassador to Israel during the late 80's. I do IT work for him on occasion at his penthouse in Beverly Hills, CA.

What me to drop some more names? I'm also a personal friend of the Chairman of the Red Cross in Los Angeles and will be having lunch with him on Monday. His name is Kirk Hyde. Here he is on the right. http://www.pasadenalivingmagazine.co...ss/IMAG017.JPG

I also personally know Capt. Paul Wedenhoeft, the #1 top brass in the USCG here in Long Beach and spent quite a few days on various Coast Guard Cutters and small patrol vessels. Quite fun stuff IMO.

So i've met a lot of very influential people over the years due to my service in the Military, work with the Red Cross, and support for the military and its returning veterans from the middle east.

I'm 29 years old and not your average internet jockey. And just because I'm on a gaming website with "very little posts" because I enjoy a good game like most of you, I tend to spend most of my political arguing on forums that aren't full of a bunch of kids who truly have no formal education in politics and spend their time getting in retarded flame wars.

And FYI, a penthouse is a term for the top floor large floor plan residence in a particularly high end and large building. When I come over, I'm always buzzed into the front lobby and then the security guy calls my friend to make sure its ok. Then a guard takes me to the elevator and uses his special key which grants access to the three top floor penthouse residences.

And then the Yakuza broke in and kidnapped the ambassadors daughter for ransom, after you managed to fight your way out with the disk of important national security information, and you killed a helicopter with a car, it was awesome. then you hooked up with some squeaky voiced black LAPD cop and go on 3 film lengths worth of adventure and fun tracking down the badguys.

You say allot but nothing of it actually proves shit.

I give you, you true internet name.

From this day forth you shall be known as GONZO.

You are honourably named after a real life ex acquaintance of mine who had a big ugly nose and lied so much and so badly he gained a region wide reputation for it. Fighting off 30 ninja skaters would usually be an element of jokes about him.


Dropping names doesn't prove shit, it just means your name dropping.

Whatever you say or whatever you do, short of giving me full and complete evidence of your life history according to you, I will forever more see and disregard you as an all out and rather bad LIAR.

End.


A pathetic troll.

Oh, and purely for my own amusement...

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Thanks for stopping by. Don't let the Url hit you on your way out. :dozey:

 

[Andrew LB]

Nurizeko,
You know... at least some of the individuals here actually being decent points which make for logical discussion but you do absolutely NOTHING to add to ANY conversation in this thread. Go find somewhere to waste your time.

Ok, you are a "systems consultant" that has a bunch of friends in high places, including really old 80 year old friends that live in pent houses and tell you millitary secrets. You joined the army in 2002 because you are a true patriot, you have a political science degree, and you are a gamer with a computer system worth thousands. In addition to this you had the time to get the education you need to be a professional system consultant. Wow, dude, someone should make a movie about you (or is that already being written?).

Keep on flaming buddy....

But you didn't really answer my question. What kind of system consulting does a 80 year old man need in his home? Did you consult him on how to turn on his PC?

I do plenty of work for the guy including building him high end audio PC's due to him being a part owner of a Jazz Record Label here in Beverly Hills as well as giving him constant upgrades. I've also setup a network for him which allows him to access his 4tb of data which are stored on network drives from his laptop as well as his homes in Switzerland and Israel. Much of the time he has me do maintenance on the systems and upgrading his storage capabilities, some of which I'm not even allowed to migrate data in and out of due to it being of sensitive nature and most likely large amounts of data focusing around his part time work as a CIA/NSA consultant. He usually asks me to leave the office in his penthouse during those times.
I really thought it was cool a couple months back where he took a personal call from Benjamin Netanyahu.

But for the most part like I said earlier, most of my time is in the motorsports industry since auto-racing is my true passion. For most of 2006 I worked for the United States importers of Oettinger Performance GmbH, a very high end manufacturer of aerodynamics and performance upgrades for VW, Audi, and in europe (Seat, Skoda, etc).

And can you please tell us which person on that list is you friend, this is kind of important.

No. I will not tell you such things. It's none of your business and would be against federal law and put my friend at risk considering he is involved with CIA/NSA matters.

And finally what kind of education did you get to become a "system consultant" as usually this requires quite a bit of business education, education you wont get from political science.

I was a self taught computer builder and troubleshooter for almost two decades now, ever since I got my first 486 DX2-66mhz PC. I continued to slowly increase my knowledge through practice and self education by reading countless books and eventually completed the basic A+ exam followed by receiving an MCP.
My buddy had the exact same qualifications when he got a job at AMGEN about 3 years ago and they've paid him to take enough night school classes to finish his MCSP and CCNE.

I personally have no desire to follow that path considering it's not a passion of mine. I'd prefer doing things I truly love as opposed to staying in the Information Technologies field. I've been quite successful in the past two years in Auto racing in my 2006 Mitsubishi Evolution IX. I'm also involved with many race groups as well as companies who do aerodynamic and performance modifications, so right now I'm working on finding the niche in that business which brings me happiness.

I know its hard to tell when someone is lying on the internets but shit man, you make it too easy.

I guess you can ASSume that I'm lying but i've been straight forward with you on every answer about my life.

Just to throw another tidbit your way, I also spent two years just before leaving college as a stage manager for some of the most popular DJ's in the world including Dj Tiesto, BT (Brian Transeau), Way out West (Jody Wisternoff & Nick Warren), DJ Colette, and even a non electronic group called Coldplay. They're US record label is called Nettwerk America and based in two locations on Wilshire Avenue in Beverly hills, one of which is at the Capitol EMI Records Building.

Fun business.... but too much partying and drugs. I had to make my escape before things got worse than they had begun to do.

 

[nurizeko]

Nurizeko,
You know... at least some of the individuals here actually being decent points which make for logical discussion but you do absolutely NOTHING to add to ANY conversation in this thread. Go find somewhere to waste your time.

Because we all know you have contributed so well. Oh and I was here first.

I did have a logical point. I'm stating that for something to be widely accepted there needs to be verifiable facts, and in regards to your wild claims, you have provided none, and I, as others have decided to call you out.

To have a more on topic discussion one needs to ascertain the validity of claims made in such discussion and to ascertain whether certain contributors are in fact lying through their goddamn teeth.

Not to mention your blatant bias and rock solid generalizations you have tarred many with, bleeding heart liberals anyone?.

Then theres a nice polish of arrogance that just rounds you up nicely.

You, likewise, add nothing, please refrain from projecting yourself and your failings onto others in a bid to futiley boost your failing position, of which you didn't have much of one in the first place.

As for a brief comment on the topic, Iranians threaten US warships because the revolutionary guard have some odd motivations, one likely being a long standing cool stance in regards to Iranian-US relations, the US respond, threaten to use force, Iranians move off, US release information about the incident, Iranians jump around all which and every way, like the excuses for the coalition war against Saddam in the first place, so on so on.

Before you came in spouting your BS, the thread had only got as far as the fact the incident occurred, and the inevitable mutterings in regard to the Gulf of Tonking incident, because Vietnam is naturally the favorite historical American conflict on which to compare modern engagements. I assume the conversation, in the right environment, would naturally move into a wider discussion on the future of US-Iranian relations, and the regional consequences of these, alas, the gravitational pull of your stinking BS and general presence has pulled it off course.

Even if a fraction of what you claim was true, it would not invalidate that in my opinion at least, you are a rather unlikable human being.


So first, support your claims with proof, or stop making them, and start talking about the topic in a rational and "professional", for lack of a better term, manner.

If all your going to do is write fiction and drop names and come in with the chip on your shoulder against "liberals" which is essentially everyone you don't agree with, then save your time yourself.


I will gladly return to the topic at hand...once you are gone.

 

[Andrew LB]

Ok fellas, if you want to continue keep making accusations about who i know, what i've done, and who my ties are to various very influential people, try making your own thread. This thread is about IRAN and their attempt at starting a war with the United States by sending fast boats right into the middle of our warship convoy.


Now i do recall some of you saying this information was "doctored" aka Dan Rather style.

But video speaks louder than words and today in the Long Beach Press Telegram, it turns out that not only did Iran show a short 4-5 minute video of THEIR boats up alongside these U.S. Naval warships, but it also confirmed that they were truly right there contrary to what Tehran told the world when they said this incident was 100% fabricated.

The article also states that the FULL TWENTY MINUTE video of the encounter taken from the bridge of the USS Destroyer Hopper has now been released and proves without question that these boats did in fact create an extremely hostile situation and was actually more hostile than the Iranian Revolutionary Guards similar attempt in December where U.S. Warships fired multiple shots over the heads of the Iranian military boats in order to keep them from coming any closer.

http://www.dailynews.com/ci_7947021

I saw the full 20 minute version on the news this morning but have not found it yet. I'll post it all in due time.

 

[Nemesis6]

Well, I'm looking forward to seeing the whole thing instead of viewing those two clips on youtube and getting really frustrated at the dumbasses posting there. For example - "omfg tonkin inside group false flag". Enough, it gets boring.

 

[Eejit]

Ok fellas, if you want to continue keep making accusations about who i know, what i've done, and who my ties are to various very influential people, try making your own thread. This thread is about IRAN and their attempt at starting a war with the United States by sending fast boats right into the middle of our warship convoy.

i.e. it's a pointless thread.
You think Iran are trying to start a war with the USA? wtf.

 

[CptStern]

wow now a self taught computer builder? wow did you need a masters in engineering from mit ..where do you find time to a. fight in iraq. graduate with a degree in political science ("would you like fries with that?") AND know pretty much every single republican this side of the rio grand

btw on the internets I'm a surgeon who specialises in weightless brain surgery in deep space ..tommorrow I will be coronated 3rd regent prince of Monaco ..I have an audience with the queen on thursay and n friday I'm competeing in the iditarod, but instead of siberian huskys I've spent years training a half dozen house cats to pull my sled to victory

 

[Kadayi]

i.e. it's a pointless thread.
You think Iran are trying to start a war with the USA? wtf.

A perfect summary.

What the hell would be the motivation for the Iranians? There is no logic to provoking a war between a country you share no geographic borders with and are completely out gunned by. Please don't insult our intelligence either with some bullshit about how they are attacking us because 'they hate our freedoms!!!', or some such.

But they might have Nuclear weapons somewhere down the line...strangely enough both Israel & Pakistan already do, but I don't recall the US getting at all antsy about either of those two volatile countries getting their hands on the bomb (strange that).

 

[nurizeko]

A perfect summary.

What the hell would be the motivation for the Iranians? There is no logic to provoking a war between a country you share no geographic borders with and are completely out gunned by. Please don't insult our intelligence either with some bullshit about how they are attacking us because 'they hate our freedoms!!!', or some such.

But they might have Nuclear weapons somewhere down the line...strangely enough both Israel & Pakistan already do, but I don't recall the US getting at all antsy about either of those two volatile countries getting their hands on the bomb (strange that).

Israel is a western ally and so is the Pakistani government to an extent, and its also proven itself, unlike Iran, to not have desires to wipe country's off the map, and the one country it might, India, has its own nukes. Theres a difference between having the detterent threat of nukes and a country with clear desires to use them regardless of potential consequences getting them.

Also, lets be honest....Iran is a fundamentalist Muslim lead regime...Muslim terrorists are in fact fundamentalist Muslims to, if you can believe it!. It doesn't take a genius to see the potential for Iran to equip every Osama wannabe who can get one into Tel Aviv or a western city with "the bomb" (dun dun duun!).


Why are people constantly ignoring clear Iranian threat and desire to have a whole country of people burnt to ashes?.

As for motivation, Iran, is as is well known by everyone, to be a country with a competing ideology to the US. It is a country that upholds values which do not match most western values. It has a long history of poor relations with the US, and no, the US is no angel, okay, we've accepted that, so theres absolutely no need to suck Irans dick just because America does bad things to.

Also, get this, as hard as you may be able to comprehend, Iranians are individuals like you and me, there are many people with countless potential motivations for picking a fight with US warships, or antagonizing them. Why do certain Kenyans feel its justifiable to hack people apart with machete's because they are from some other tribe over some election?, why do suicide bombers feel its okay to kill themselves and others?.

Not everyone on Earth are adherents to the school of logic and rational thought. theres many reasons why 5 Iranian speed boats might pick a fight with US warships, and they are all irrespective of the fact that you personally, using your own life experiences and values, cant see the logic.


Not everyone uses logic.

And that is why I personally would rather not give a known fundie the benefit of the doubt that he or they will not use nuclear weaponry regardless of consequences.

Did you think the nut job who took out Bhutto was thinking about the consequences to himself when he blew himself up?, or when he went to that rally in the first place?.


If someone publicly professes to the desire to commit genocide, you better believe I'm going to take his word on it, regardless of what you perceive his true intent to be.

 

[No Limit]

But they might have Nuclear weapons somewhere down the line...strangely enough both Israel & Pakistan already do, but I don't recall the US getting at all antsy about either of those two volatile countries getting their hands on the bomb (strange that).

Get antsy? In both cases we helped them get it.

No. I will not tell you such things. It's none of your business and would be against federal law and put my friend at risk considering he is involved with CIA/NSA matters.

You're a douchebag, find another forum to troll.

And the more I read of your bullshit the more I start feeling sorry for you. People that lie like this and actually think that people believe them must have some serious mental issues. Get some help.

 

[nurizeko]

And the more I read of your bullshit the more I start feeling sorry for you. People that lie like this and actually think that people believe them must have some serious mental issues. Get some help.

I concur, its not healthy.

And as a personal thing, I just cant be polite to someone who lies so blatantly, and badly, something about bare faced lying which just makes me dislike someone with a burning intensity, maybe its the insult of thinking I am dumb enough to believe it, I dunno, regardless, it irritates the shit out of me.

 

[Gray Fox]

Israel is a rather horribly country, it has continually waged war
on it's neighbors and expanded it territory trough military
means. The fact they are our allies is all the more reason for
Iran to get Nukes. We have armed Israel with nukes, a country
with continually threatens Iran and now we're surprised Iran
wants to have the means to defend itself. It's aggressive policy
is the large reason for a lot of the hate of the Muslim world
against the west.

Pakistan is an even bigger dictatorship then Iran, with more
Muslim radicals.

And that not even considering past dictatorships like the USSR.
Which were far more turbulent then Iran. Which did not start a
war that would end up destroying the said country.

History has shown us that the biggest crimes happen when one
group has to much power over another one. Be it the genocide in
Rwanda's, or the Jews in WWII or Iraq 2003.

If you're going to talk about lunatics and illogical figures then
why not talk about bush? Unlike Iran the US has in fact invaded a
country recently, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of
victims. It in fact does represent a danger to the world and
especially to countries that trade oil in euro's and not dollars.
Or as you people might put it, crazy islamosocialist
dictatorships.

Iran has learned from Iraq, it has learned from WWII, it has
learned from Rwanda, and it has learned that we are either
unwilling or incapable of stopping our own government.
And despite the lunacy of their ideology, it won't start a war
for the same reason that no other lunatic government has started
a nuclear war.
Self preservation. Every country has it's people who
are willing to die, mostly the poor that have nothing to loose.
But vast majority despite it's ideology wants to live, they want
to see their children live. And that certainly go's for those
that have made it to the higher echelons of society. Considering
history there is very little credible reason to single out Iran
as especially willing to start a war that would destroy it.

In short if Iran gets nukes, the chances of war are low. Since
they have a credible deterrent to attackers, and there is a
credible deterrent against an attack by them. If they do not get
nukes, then you might get another Iraq.

Or to put it another way so the people here understand. If Iran
doesn't get Nukes, there is a high chance of your tax dollars
being used to "free" the Iranians, and establish a just
democratic capitalist government that trades oil in dollars,
instead of booze and hookers.

I would be for actions against Iran if we took actions against
Israel or voted the neacons out of the White House. But as it
stands now you folks are just looking for reason to justify
horrible policies by our own governments instead for solutions
that address the core of the issues.

 

[Nemesis6]

Israel is a rather horribly country, it has continually waged war

A horrible country... that's not at all a stupid thing to say... Well, it's your opinion, but I do have something to say: You got one thing backwards - Historically, and to this day, it's the neighbors who've been waging war on Israel.

 

[Gray Fox]

The hostilities started when the jews drove the British out trough terrorist acts,
and started taking land aways from the Palestinians. Which they still continue to do.
Blaming their neighbors for hostilities is akin to blaming the allies for invading Europe in WWII.

 

[Solaris]

I think Mr.Fox is making a lot of sense here.

 

[Gargantou]

Funny info, Iran supported US forces in the invasion of Afghanistan.

Funny info, 9/11 2001 was the first day since Iranian Revolution when the "Death to USA" chants were all cancelled.

 

[Vigilante]

Funny info, Iran supported US forces in the invasion of Afghanistan.

I doubt because they had sympathy for what had happened to the US, though.

 

[CptStern]

they also offered up aid and agreed to help search for those responsible in exchange for being taken off the terror list ..the US refused

 

[Gargantou]

they also offered up aid and agreed to help search for those responsible in exchange for being taken off the terror list ..the US refused

Let's not forget the "2003 Reconciliation Offer" where Iran offered up a treaty where they offered to stop funding terrorist elements etc in exchange for a promise that the US wouldn't forcibly remove an Iranian government.

And let's not forget the fact that the US constantly launches UAV drones that fly over Iranian airspace, violating their territorial agreements.

Listen, I'm not trying to make a picture out of the USA as being an evil nation, they aren't, but the US aren't flawless either, they do their share of bad decisions and bad actions.

 

[nurizeko]

Let's not forget the "2003 Reconciliation Offer" where Iran offered up a treaty where they offered to stop funding terrorist elements etc in exchange for a promise that the US wouldn't forcibly remove an Iranian government.

And let's not forget the fact that the US constantly launches UAV drones that fly over Iranian airspace, violating their territorial agreements.

Listen, I'm not trying to make a picture out of the USA as being an evil nation, they aren't, but the US aren't flawless either, they do their share of bad decisions and bad actions.

To be fair a fundamentalist Islamic regime is hardly to be trusted with not funding Islamic extremists just because they say so.

Kim of NK continuously promises to dismantle nuclear facilities and stuff in return for things and changes his mind quite a bit.



America has no obligation to sign anything and believe any promises made by a regime it sees to be opposed and potentially threatening to it and its ally's interests. (And smack me if I am ever so polite about US foreign policy again... )

Promises in international politics have about as much worth as a torn up bank note. Actions speak louder then words, which in this case I would assume the US would expect proof of Iranians cracking down on terrorist activities and funding before it made moves to even think of signing anything.

 

[Gargantou]

nurizeko, you are aware there have been Iranian GOVERNMENTS in power that have been reformist?

Like during the early 90s iirc, they lost power because the US wouldn't agree to any deals with them, so the Iranian people figured "We might as well let the hardliners get the power again seeing as the reformists doesn't do anything better with foreign policy.)

 

[W4d5Y]

I can't even believe they take it this serious...I remember watching CNN when they came BIG-TIME NEWS SENSATION about the "serious incident", which, according to US officials was "threatening the shit out of them".
Blue motorboats.

Dozens of them.

Probably powered by nucular diveces, storing dangerous warheads.

WAKE UP! THIS WAS AN OPEN CONFRONTATION!!! THOSE NUTJOB IRANIANS WERE THREATENING THE HONOURABLE US NAVY WITH BLUE MOTARBOATS!!!! HOW MORE AGGRESSIVE CAN IT GET?!!?!?


THIS IS CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE THAT IRAN IS ****ING SERIOUS WITH DESTROYING THE US,

and hell, if they don't get the nukes, they still got BLUE MOTARBOATS.


BEHOLD TEH MOTARBOAT. BOAT DANGUROES!!!! WOAH! WARRRRRR!!!! *evil*

//edit: Nurizeko, are you also aware that the cocaine importation agency toppled a democratic leader in Iran by aid of false flag terrorism to install the harsh regime of the Shah?!!

THIS LEAD TO SUBSEQUENT BLOWBACK, causing the revolution to take place and give the ecclesiastical Ayatollahs and whoelse to seize powar?

 

[Kadayi]

Also, lets be honest....Iran is a fundamentalist Muslim lead regime...Muslim terrorists are in fact fundamentalist Muslims to, if you can believe it!. It doesn't take a genius to see the potential for Iran to equip every Osama wannabe who can get one into Tel Aviv or a western city with "the bomb" (dun dun duun!).

Jerusalem is one of the most sacred Cities of the Muslim faith, the chances that Iran or any Muslim nation (especially a fundamentalist lead one) would use tactical nuclear weapons of any proportion anywhere near it (and Israel isn't exactly a big place) is beyond absurd.

Why are people constantly ignoring clear Iranian threat and desire to have a whole country of people burnt to ashes?.

So your implying that Iran wants to eradicate the Jewish population of Israel yes? If that's the case, why haven't they eradicated their own sizable population of Jews?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5367892.stm

Stop watching fox news and believing everything they say. Perhaps read up on Iran and learn some facts about the place before jumping to conclusions:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Jerusalem is one of the most sacred Cities of the Muslim faith, the chances that Iran or any Muslim nation (especially a fundamentalist lead one) would use tactical nuclear weapons of any proportion anywhere near it (and Israel isn't exactly a big place) is beyond absurd.

I'm gonna have to agree with you (this is what has happened to the world ). Iran wouldn't dare nuke Isreal, since its a tiny country, because it would result in Jerusalams destruction.

 

[W4d5Y]

Meh, maybe they couldn't bother because they'd be ass-****ed with nukes all over their country?
What is more, our fascist Kadayi Polokov hasn't even been cleared up on the fact that Ahmadinejad had been MISQUOTED about Israel, he talked about getting rid of the government, not "whiping" the country off the map.
Certainly Ahmadinejad is not the brightest lad, but I doubt he'll go to critical lengths involving mere stupidity.

 

[MiccyNarc]

To be honest I can't wait for us to attack Iran, just so the 5th fleet can end up being a heap of scrap metal on the bottom of the persian gulf.

For anyone mocking the Iranian's audacity:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/washington/12navy.html

Iran is equipped with some of the best anti ship cruise missiles in the world:
http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=375
Do a google search for "Sunburn" anti ship missile.

And the usefulness of the Phalanx vs. a motorboat is questionable at best, it's an anti missile defense system, not a gatling gun of death. In all likelihood the motorboats would be below the phalanx's radar anyway. It's designed to target threats above it, not below it.
And knowing the zealousness of the people we're facing, they'd probably be making suicidal kamikaze runs anyhow.

Iranians are also equipped with around 300 exocet missiles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exocet

Note that even though they don't usually explode, they still managed to sink two warships in the Falklands war.
Attacking Iran would be a mistake, no doubt.

 

[Gargantou]

Some funny info, since the toppling of Saddam's regime, relations between Iraq and Iran are the best they have been for like two decades from what I've read in political debates+newspapers.

 

[Escaep]

To be honest I can't wait for us to attack Iran, just so the 5th fleet can end up being a heap of scrap metal on the bottom of the persian gulf.

For anyone mocking the Iranian's audacity:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/washington/12navy.html

Iran is equipped with some of the best anti ship cruise missiles in the world:
http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=375
Do a google search for "Sunburn" anti ship missile.

And the usefulness of the Phalanx vs. a motorboat is questionable at best, it's an anti missile defense system, not a gatling gun of death. In all likelihood the motorboats would be below the phalanx's radar anyway. It's designed to target threats above it, not below it.
And knowing the zealousness of the people we're facing, they'd probably be making suicidal kamikaze runs anyhow.

Iranians are also equipped with around 300 exocet missiles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exocet

Note that even though they don't usually explode, they still managed to sink two warships in the Falklands war.
Attacking Iran would be a mistake, no doubt.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Study_US_preparing_massive_military_attack_0828.html

US bombers and long range missiles are ready today to destroy 10,000 targets in Iran in a few hours.

Iran has a weak air force and anti aircraft capability, almost all of it is 20-30 years old and it lacks modern integrated communications. Not only will these forces be rapidly destroyed by US air power, but Iranian ground and air forces will have to fight without protection from air attack.

The Marines are not all tied down fighting in Iraq. Several Marine forces are assembling in the Gulf, each with its own aircraft carrier. These carrier forces can each conduct a version of the D-Day landings. They come with landing craft, tanks, jump-jets, thousands of troops and hundreds more cruise missiles. Their task is to destroy Iranian forces able to attack oil tankers and to secure oilfields and installations. They have trained for this mission since the Iranian revolution of 1979 as is indicated in this battle map of Hormuz illustrating an advert for combat training software.

Can anti-ship missiles attack submarines? I think not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_class_submarine

The United States has 18 Ohio-class submarines:
14 nuclear-powered SSBNs, each armed with 24 Trident II SLBMs; they are also known as "Trident" submarines, and provide the sea-based leg of the nuclear triad of the United States strategic nuclear weapons arsenal
4 nuclear-powered SSGNs, each armed with 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles with conventional warheads

The 14 Trident II SSBNs together carry around fifty percent of the total U.S. strategic warhead inventory. The exact number varies in an unpredictable and highly classified manner, at or below a maximum set by various strategic arms limitation treaties. Although the missiles have no pre-set targets when the submarine goes on patrol, the platform, when required, is capable of rapid targeting using secure and constant at-sea communications links.

Armament:
24 trident C4 (Pacific based boats) SLBM with up to eight MIRVed 100kT W76 nuclear warheads, range 4000nm, 24 trident D5 (Atlantic boats) SLBM with up to 12 MIRVed W76 or W88 (300-475kT) nuclear warheads, range 6500nm, 4x21in bow torpedo tubes.

More US Navy Weapons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_Navy_weapons

Shipboard systems

Aegis combat system
MK 45 5-inch gun
Phalanx CIWS
RGM-84 Harpoon
BGM-109 Tomahawk
RIM-7 Sea Sparrow
RIM-67 Standard 2
RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile
Mark 46 torpedo
Mark 48 torpedo
Mark 50 torpedo
Mark 60 Captor Mine
Trident II (D-5) nuclear missile

Aircraft systems

M61 Vulcan
AGM-84 Harpoon
AGM-88 HARM
AGM-65 Maverick
AGM-119 Penguin
AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon
AIM-9 Sidewinder
AIM-7 Sparrow
AIM-120 AMRAAM
SLAM-ER
JDAM GPS-guided bombs
Paveway laser-guided bombs
B61 nuclear bomb
Mark 82 dumb bomb

I also read somewhere else where the US Navy/Military can launch i forget how many thousands of cruise missiles an hour. Can't seem to find it though. I also dont think that Iranian anti ship missiles can hit targets outside of 90 miles. So, the U.S. will go out of Iran's reach and fire away with cruise missiles.

 

[Kadayi]

Meh, maybe they couldn't bother because they'd be ass-****ed with nukes all over their country?
What is more, our fascist Kadayi Polokov hasn't even been cleared up on the fact that Ahmadinejad had been MISQUOTED about Israel, he talked about getting rid of the government, not "whiping" the country off the map.
Certainly Ahmadinejad is not the brightest lad, but I doubt he'll go to critical lengths involving mere stupidity.

I'd like it if you attacked the right guy in future dude, I know only too well that Ahmadinejad was referring to the zionist regime, not the Israelis themselves. I'm not the one you need to convince

The Fascist Kadayi Polokov

 

[nurizeko]

I'd like it if you attacked the right guy in future dude, I know only too well that Ahmadinejad was referring to the zionist regime, not the Israelis themselves. I'm not the one you need to convince

Lets just give ahmadinejad the benefit of the doubt, lets just give him nukes ourselves, I'm sure we can totally trust him and his regime. Lets see how holy Jerusalem is to Iranian Muslim fundamentalists then.


I don't get fox here, I get the BBC and channel 4, I read The Times, and I was against the war in Iraq before it began let alone when it became popular.


Listen, fine, you've made it clear America does naughty naughty things and deserves getting a wrist slap and tutting.

I don't care.

Iran cannot be trusted with nukes. simple as. If someone has to fly in and bomb every facility used in the making of them to dust, so be it. I wont be crying like an insincere American democrat sympathizer with a political agenda. My investment in the situation is that nukes are disgusting weapons, but even more disgusting in the hands of a regime that is highly questionable in its motives and desires for them.

Yes, the US has a nice quotable history of its own failings and shortcomings to bolster your political forum thread-wars. The US has only used nukes twice against people (and trust me, I give America allot of flak over that fact to) but its proven itself to not be a potential lose cannon to use it merely advance highly misguided and hostile ideologies.

I don't care if your a self loathing hater of your own country and its dirty shameful past, I don't care if its a republican or a green party candidate that supports the strikes, I don't care about the intricate web of democrat-republican politics and relations that seem to consume American politics, I don't care if strikes don't meet your rigid world views that cant be allowed to mill around in the middle ground because that would make you too much like the other side, and current party line is to be a fundamental pacifist, I care about the risks of someone using what I regard to be one of the most disgusting weapons that can be used against other human beings.

My world view tells me one thing alone. I don't think Iran can be trusted with nuclear weapons. I support any strikes to disable its ability to ever have them. Period.

:imu:

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ideologue.htm


(intranets, serious business, and I love these flame warriors, lol.)

 

[Kadayi]

Lets just give ahmadinejad the benefit of the doubt, lets just give him nukes ourselves, I'm sure we can totally trust him and his regime. Lets see how holy Jerusalem is to Iranian Muslim fundamentalists then.

You've more chance of the Pope nuking Vatican City tbh, but clearly you're without a clue given you think ahmadinejad is a dictator leading a 'regime' where as he's an elected president with a fixed term of office, or that Iran is a fundamentalist nation akin to a Bin Laden Wet dream. Women have the right to vote in Iran (and have since 1963), something no true Islamic fundamentalist would tolerate. For someone who purports to be well informed, you're clearly not when the metal is tested. So why you'd think we care about your ill informed world view, or put any value on it is highly amusing.:dozey:

 

[Nemesis6]

You've more chance of the Pope nuking Vatican City tbh, but clearly you're without a clue given you think ahmadinejad is a dictator leading a 'regime' where as he's an elected president with a fixed term of office, or that Iran is a fundamentalist nation akin to a Bin Laden Wet dream. Women have the right to vote in Iran (and have since 1963), something no true Islamic fundamentalist would tolerate. For someone who purports to be well informed, you're clearly not when the metal is tested. So why you'd think we care about your ill informed world view, or put any value on it is highly amusing.:dozey:

No, it's more plausible that Iran will use these weapons against Israel. Ahmadinejad IS a dictator. Opposition is not tolerated, dissent is crushed, "Unislamic" gatherings lead to arrests and torture... the Iranian reform movement could tell it much better than me, so I'll stop here. Women have a right to vote you say? I'll take your word for that, but it doesn't really matter when you're hanging from a crane after being accused of "adultery", does it? Wait, you're talking about women, so I should point out that the victims of this are both teenagers and women. Don't rationalize institutionalized insanity. By the way, it doesn't really take that much effort to see past the charade and see that Dinnerjacket is a puppet of Khomeini.

 

[Kadayi]

No, it's more plausible that Iran will use these weapons against Israel. Ahmadinejad IS a dictator. Opposition is not tolerated, dissent is crushed, "Unislamic" gatherings lead to arrests and torture... the Iranian reform movement could tell it much better than me, so I'll stop here. Women have a right to vote you say? I'll take your word for that, but it doesn't really matter when you're hanging from a crane after being accused of "adultery", does it? Wait, you're talking about women, so I should point out that the victims of this are both teenagers and women. Don't rationalize institutionalized insanity. By the way, it doesn't really take that much effort to see past the charade and see that Dinnerjacket is a puppet of Khomeini.

No need to take my word, I think you'll find it's accepted fact amongst everyone without a chip on their shoulder. :dozey:

 

[W4d5Y]

Okay, Kadayi, I sometimes feature too much of a loosen tongue, I just am damn fed up with the political scene, and I call anybody who perveices a threat from anything in the world, be it terrorism, Iran, radical muslims, Al Quaeda or warning of virulent pandemics a fascist.
I just fear I might get brainwashed with NWO- or Neoconpropaganda, for that matter, every time I turn around the corner and meet people like you or others.

But you said Iran threatened US' 'allies', that would make that party the israelis, and yes, you're right to say they wanna *finally* get rid of a government whose military *accidently* burns acres of palestinian crops.

 

[Kadayi]

Okay, Kadayi, I sometimes feature too much of a loosen tongue, I just am damn fed up with the political scene, and I call anybody who perveices a threat from anything in the world, be it terrorism, Iran, radical muslims, Al Quaeda or warning of virulent pandemics a fascist.
I just fear I might get brainwashed with NWO- or Neoconpropaganda, for that matter, every time I turn around the corner and meet people like you or others.

But you said Iran threatened US' 'allies', that would make that party the israelis, and yes, you're right to say they wanna *finally* get rid of a government whose military *accidently* burns acres of palestinian crops.

Seriously I don't think Iran are a threat to anyone, you've mistaken me for another poster.

 

[W4d5Y]

OH SHI- did I?!
Sorry, I am most incredibly ashamed of having falsely claimed you to be a neocon.... :'(