Iraqi's found in torture house, tell of Brutality

[K e r b e r o s]

Iraqis Found in Torture House Tell of Brutality

By SABRINA TAVERNISE, The New York Times

KARABILA, Iraq - Marines on an operation to eliminate insurgents that began Friday broke through the outside wall of a building in this small rural village to find a torture center equipped with electric wires, a noose, handcuffs, a 574-page jihad manual - and four beaten and shackled Iraqis.

A U.S. Marine patrols outside a building in Karabilah where four men were found handcuffed at the wrists and ankles and blindfolded.


The American military has found torture houses after invading towns heavily populated by insurgents - like Falluja, where the anti-insurgent assault last fall uncovered almost 20 such sites. But rarely have they come across victims who have lived to tell the tale.

The men said they told the marines, from Company K, Third Marines, Second Division, that they had been tortured with shocks and flogged with a strip of rubber for more than two weeks, unseen behind the windows of black glass. One of them, Ahmed Isa Fathil, 19, a former member of the new Iraqi Army, said he had been held and tortured there for 22 days. All the while, he said, his face was almost entirely taped over and his hands were cuffed.

In an interview with an embedded reporter just hours after he was freed, he said he had never seen the faces of his captors, who occasionally whispered at him, "We will kill you." He said they did not question him, and he did not know what they wanted. Nor did he ever expect to be released.

"They kill somebody every day," said Mr. Fathil, whose hands were so swollen he could not open a can of Coke offered to him by a marine. "They've killed a lot of people."

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When she was mentioned, he bowed and lowered his head, and began to cry softly, wiping his face with the jumpsuit given him by the marines.

He asked a reporter for help to move to another town, because it was too dangerous for his family to remain in their house. He begged not to have a photograph taken, even of the scars on his back. The captors took pictures of that, he said.

His town has always been a good place, he said, but the militants have made it hell.

"These few are destroying it," he said, his face streaked with tears. "Everybody they take, they kill. It's on a daily basis pretty much."

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I'm pretty sure the story is available elsewhere -- pictures are on Ogrish, and the bodies of the family previous are also available for viewing on Ogrish.

 

[clarky003]

thats horrible, but they are insurgent occupied area's, and you cant really expect any better of them.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Horrid. Hopefully the USMC can uproot and kill as many of them as possible.

I just was looking in another thread on genmay with military pictures, they found some children of them tied to concrete blocks in those torture houses :/

 

[CptStern]

the situation in iraq today makes saddam's era of brutality almost seem like a cakewalk ...as in every conflict the civilians suffer most

 

[Dag]

This is what was going on, and still is going on, in almost all third world countries today. And a little torture cells in towns doesn't makes Saddams mass produced torture seem like a cake walk.

 

[CptStern]

This is what was going on, and still is going on, in almost all third world countries today. And a little torture cells in towns doesn't makes Saddams mass produced torture seem like a cake walk.

yes 1.8 million (since the first GW) dead iraqis does make it a cakewalk

 

[Dag]

I thought you argued about the sanctity of life, and now you think 1.8 million dead and tortured is a cakewalk?

 

[CptStern]

reading comprehension

 

[gh0st]

I thought you argued about the sanctity of life, and now you think 1.8 million dead and tortured is a cakewalk?

Of course he doesnt care about the sanctity of life, he kills and subsequently consumes fetuses. They are just very little people after all.

 

[No Limit]

Of course he doesnt care about the sanctity of life, he kills and subsequently consumes fetuses. They are just very little people after all.

Please tell me you were kidding.

 

[CptStern]

lets just drop it please

 

[gh0st]

Please tell me you were kidding.

Hah yeah I was. I'm part of a very small niche of republicans that is pro abortion.

 

[KoreBolteR]

of course iraq was held at gunpoint under saddam... he basically controlled them all.

now, after the US comes in, they have a freedom to lead thier own way, hopefully into a peaceful future.

these terrorists are hating anything that stands in peace way.

 

[CptStern]

Hah yeah I was. I'm part of a very small niche of republicans that is pro abortion.

edit: ok situation cleared up

 

[Razor]

The terrorists are torturing and murdering people both before and after the Coalition went in, the only difference is that before, it was called "the justice system". These people who do the torturing are most probably pro-Sadame people who lost everything when Sadame was kicked out, so they are trying to get him back in or at least someone who will give them back the power the once had.

Most of the so-called Insurgents do not give a crap about peace, prosperity or the Iraqi people or the Iraqi way of live and are merely pissed off that they don't have the freedom anymore to exact their disgusting and brutal justice system and live in their big houses anymore.

 

[saracen]

they were traitors aiding the americans they deserve it. The bottom line is US needs to leave occupied iraq before they die.
We have had enough of your crap for 20 years its time to get revenge for the war crimes you have committed in the middle east for the sake of the existence of israel.

 

[CptStern]

no one deserves torture ..no matter what they've done ..we're all freakin humans here ..no matter what bit of cloth we worship or which imaginary lines surround the land we call "home"

 

[saracen]

Anyone who aids the occupation will have this humiliating end that is their message.
Long live the iraqi resistance....

If there was no resistance and traitors were helping occupation we would have another secure socialist/capitalist trash bag like Saddam in power who is only obliged to help western imperialism.

 

[CptStern]

see that's what we dont need ...no emotions no hatred ...just pure facts ...this is EXACVTLY the reason the war happened in the first place ...Bush played to the emotions of americans still hurting from 9/11 ...emotions are far more effective than facts ..but if people's had a cool head and actually looked at the facts I'm certain NO ONE would have supported the occupation of iraq ...same goes for your side...Emotion is what causes people to load themselves full of explosives and blow up anyone in their path ...the insurgency should be exposing the lies of the occupation instead of attacking civilians and legitimate targets ...in the long run it just harms their cause ...even the most liberal of people are horrified by the atrocities visited upon the people of iraq by both sides of the conflict

 

[saracen]

.the insurgency should be exposing the lies of the occupation instead of attacking civilians and legitimate targets

But they have hundreds of times over

Here is a message from them

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7468.htm

 

[CptStern]

yes I'm aware of that but it needs to push for more cooperation from iraqi civilians ...the more people who dismiss the lies propegated by the bush admin the more people will stop to listen

 

[No Limit]

But they have hundreds of times over

Here is a message from them

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7468.htm

Wow, first time I've seen that; very powerful. Shows exactly what Bush has done around the world to gurantee more terrorist groups and even more extreme forms of muslim 'militants'.

 

[saracen]

gurantee more terrorist groups and even more extreme forms of muslim 'militants'.

When you say things like this it gives me the impression that you agree with Bush's ideas but are not convinced with his methodology in undertaking it.

I don't understand why the american public does not do more in bringing its soldiers back, if America is a so called democracy why is it's government not listening to the public???

Why can't people see that suicide bombings never happened before zionists settled in Palestine 50 years ago, that suicide bombings never happened before the americans occupied iraq????

To me these reactions are easy to see, whenever there is occupation there will always be resistance.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

they were traitors aiding the americans they deserve it. The bottom line is US needs to leave occupied iraq before they die.
We have had enough of your crap for 20 years its time to get revenge for the war crimes you have committed in the middle east for the sake of the existence of israel.

My God I didn't think you could stoop any lower but you've done it. You are simply scum.

No Limit and CptStern, this saracen character may share simply opposition to Bush with you, but he is not with you. Look at the things he's said. Don't make the mistake of letting people associate you with him. I may hate your policies but I know you two aren't like this piece of garbage.

 

[CptStern]

because no one wants to believe that what their government is doing is wrong ...people NEED to believe their country is doing the right thing

 

[CptStern]

My God I didn't think you could stoop any lower but you've done it. You are simply scum.

knock it off ...he isnt saying anything bad ...give him an opportunity to speak

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

knock it off ...he isnt saying anything bad ...give him an opportunity to speak

First he said he hopes more US Troops are killed.

In reference to one of our members headed to Iraq he said "I'll be the first to laugh when you're blown up"

Now he says they deserve the torture.

Anyone who aids the occupation will have this humiliating end that is their message.
Long live the iraqi resistance....

 

[jondy]

knock it off ...he isnt saying anything bad ...give him an opportunity to speak

I dunno buddy, he's pretty ****ing extreme.... and not in a marketing ploy kindof way

 

[CptStern]

First he said he hopes more US Troops are killed.

In reference to one of our members headed to Iraq he said "I'll be the first to laugh when you're blown up"

Now he says they deserve the torture.

that was then, this is now


I seem to recall quite a few people here advocating the deaths of iraqis ...that "good job soldier" thread comes to mind

 

[CptStern]

I dunno buddy, he's pretty ****ing extreme.... and not in a marketing ploy kindof way

yes but so is pretty much everyone who is right-wing ...I seem to recall people not giving a shit that 500k iraqi children died ...so this is tame by comparison

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

that was then, this is now


I seem to recall quite a few people here advocating the deaths of iraqis ...that "good job soldier" thread comes to mind

Some did and they were quickly condemned in that thread, most were glad he got him simply because he prevented the death of many more in doing so and said it sucked it had to be done.

This is him, now, saying that they deserve it and WILL meet that "humiliating end." There is a huge difference.

 

[CptStern]

First he said he hopes more US Troops are killed.

In reference to one of our members headed to Iraq he said "I'll be the first to laugh when you're blown up"

Now he says they deserve the torture.

I'm not saying I agree but people have said worse about iraqis/muslims

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I'm not saying I agree but people have said worse about iraqis/muslims

That doesn't validate or make anything he says right though. The things he's saying must be condemned in exactly the same manner those are.

 

[CptStern]

Some did and they were quickly condemned in that thread, most were glad he got him simply because he prevented the death of many more in doing so and said it sucked it had to be done.

This is him, now, saying that they deserve it and WILL meet that "humiliating end." There is a huge difference.

people were laughing at the pic of the iraqi begging for his life ...if that isnt inhumane, if that isnt disgusting I dont know what is


he also said:

"Anyone who aids the occupation will have this humiliating end that is their message."


also he was warned about the post about laughing

 

[CptStern]

That doesn't validate or make anything he says right though. The things he's saying must be condemned in exactly the same manner those are.

I'm not justifying it but no one seems to care when the shoe is on the other foot ...I can start a thread on abuses in iraq/torture and I'm willing to bet a large percentage of people would think that it is justifiable ..you yourself believe that

 

[saracen]

Do you agree with imperialism Rakurai????

I don't see many articles about the attrocities commited in Fallujah? When my friend said that now the whole city is unrecognizable, and dead children lay dead in the street, where was the media in reporting it????

WHAT so you think I am going to LIKE U.S troops??? Do you think the iraqis are going to give them roses for firing F16 laser 'guided' bombs into residential areas of iraq????

Before you start blaming everything on the 'insurgents' as you call them why has no money gone into rebuilding iraq??

Only construction that seems to go on is in your fortified green zones unfortunately. The only jobs that pay are in the iraqi police force and the iraqi army. I wonder if Bush is going to use this new iraqi army he has built to attack iran like his father did in the past iran-iraq war.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I'm not justifying it but no one seems to care when the shoe is on the other foot ...I can start a thread on abuses in iraq/torture and I'm willing to bet a large percentage of people would think that it is justifiable ..you yourself believe that

No, I don't. The only thing I questioned were abuses at Gitmo (Questioning that they happened, not that the act of it is horrible)

But people from all sides seem to be breezing over what this guy says as if each time he does it is the first time he's ever said anything a little over the line. He is consistantly over the line and sickening with the things he's saying. Anyone one who would in somehow reverse would be just as bad and condemned, by me at least.

 

[lister]

When you say things like this it gives me the impression that you agree with Bush's ideas but are not convinced with his methodology in undertaking it.

I don't understand why the american public does not do more in bringing its soldiers back, if America is a so called democracy why is it's government not listening to the public???

Why can't people see that suicide bombings never happened before zionists settled in Palestine 50 years ago, that suicide bombings never happened before the americans occupied iraq????

To me these reactions are easy to see, whenever there is occupation there will always be resistance.

Im sorry but i cant accept that, in China their goverment is very tight on the news industrie, did u see the news the other day, loads of innocent farmers were beaten off of thir farm land by the army. This happens all the times, yet nobody knew if it was true or not, until a video got leaked out to thew news in another country. So this goes for the same as Iraq, it has been going on for ages, suicide bombing, just nobody knew cos the Saddam regeme wouldn't allow any news media to leave the country, he even spied on the news people a few months b4 the war, just face the fuking facks man.

 

[CptStern]

funny enough former Iraqi PM iyad Allawi was behind some of those bombings ...btw saddam never carried out terrorist attacks on his people ...he never had a reason to hide his intentions. It was saddam's enemies that carried out the acts of terrorism, not saddam ..he was very open about his butchery

 

[saracen]

Im sorry but i cant accept that, in China their goverment is very tight on the news industrie, did u see the news the other day, loads of innocent farmers were beaten off of thir farm land by the army. This happens all the times, yet nobody knew if it was true or not, until a video got leaked out to thew news in another country. So this goes for the same as Iraq, it has been going on for ages, suicide bombing, just nobody knew cos the Saddam regeme wouldn't allow any news media to leave the country, he even spied on the news people a few months b4 the war.

When was the last time China invaded another country????? When was the last time China imposed sanctions on other countries and bullied them???
I feel more threatened by BUsh than China believe me.

ANd now the maniac wants to attack Syria and Iran????

PLZ!!! get rid of this leader of yours and bring home your troops and let things sought themselves out, without external influences. And we can all get on with our lives.