Iraqi's found in torture house, tell of Brutality

RakuraiTenjin said:
No, I don't. The only thing I questioned were abuses at Gitmo (Questioning that they happened, not that the act of it is horrible)
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you still believe it didnt happen, despite the mountain of evidence that proves you wrong

RakuraiTenjin said:
But people from all sides seem to be breezing over what this guy says as if each time he does it is the first time he's ever said anything a little over the line. He is consistantly over the line and sickening with the things he's saying. Anyone one who would in somehow reverse would be just as bad and condemned, by me at least.
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sorry but that's exactly how some of you right-wing guys sound to me
 
saracen said:
Do you agree with imperialism Rakurai????

I don't see many articles about the attrocities commited in Fallujah? When my friend said that now the whole city is unrecognizable, and dead children lay dead in the street, where was the media in reporting it????

WHAT so you think I am going to LIKE U.S troops??? Do you think the iraqis are going to give them roses for firing F16 laser 'guided' bombs into residential areas of iraq????

Before you start blaming everything on the 'insurgents' as you call them why has no money gone into rebuilding iraq??

Only construction that seems to go on is in your fortified green zones unfortunately. The only jobs that pay are in the iraqi police force and the iraqi army. I wonder if Bush is going to use this new iraqi army he has built to attack iran like his father did in the past iran-iraq war.
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Are you kidding me? The news and media was one of the most biased against US Troops especially during the Fallujah uprooting offensive.

Ordinary Iraqis are scared, they are glad we've arrived. These terrorists kill and maim their own people. This isn't some honorable rebellion, this is sick minded criminals blowing themselves up in a car in front of a hospital and killing women and children.

These come straight off of a close friend's (served in Iraq with SBCT 1st Battalion 24th Inf. http://www.lewis.army.mil/124in/DeuceFour.htm)

http://a5.cpimg.com/image/85/2D/42316165-d2a3-02000180-.jpg
http://a2.cpimg.com/image/28/2A/42316072-2054-02000180-.jpg

edit: if you get a hotlinking error it's "nice guy" and "cool kids" from his album
http://members11.clubphoto.com/terence931405/2845276/guest.phtml
 
saracen said:
When you say things like this it gives me the impression that you agree with Bush's ideas but are not convinced with his methodology in undertaking it.

I don't understand why the american public does not do more in bringing its soldiers back, if America is a so called democracy why is it's government not listening to the public???
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Bush has proven time and time again he doesn't give a shit about what the public or any of his opponents think. He has never admitted he made a mistake and he will never retract any of his policies no matter how destructive they are so he doesn't have to admit he was wrong. The reason this is okay is simple. Take a look at posts from Bodacious, Seinfeldrules, Foxtrot, Dag, and any other right winger that posted on this board. They represent about 50% of this country; they simply don't give a shit about what wrong Bush does and will never admit that he did wrong, as long as the Republican party is protected.

Now that 50% has a lot of power because of the chicken shit media that we have in this country. Our media (with exception of Fox news which panders to the right only) will pander to both parties to make them seem 'fair & balanced'; because of this any stories that are very hard on one side (Downing Street Memo for example) never get reported on no matter how important they are. The reason for this is the white house now controls most of the media. If they are critical of the white house they will not get access to Iraq or the administration will come down on them hard and republicans will stop watching/reading that network causing huge financial loses. What happened with Newsweek is a classic example of this.

This country is in a sad state and the only way to change it is to change the media; they control everything.
 
saracen said:
When was the last time China invaded another country????? When was the last time China imposed sanctions on other countries and bullied them???
I feel more threatened by BUsh than China believe me.

ANd now the maniac wants to attack Syria and Iran????
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Hmm u seemed to have jumped the gun abit here, i was trying to PROVE A POINT TO YOU!!!.....that secrets can be secrets for time, but eventually everything will come out and those responsibly will pay.
 
Hmm u seemed to have jumped the gun abit here, i was trying to PROVE A POINT TO YOU!!!.....that secrets can be secrets for time, but eventually everything will come out and those responsibly will pay.
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When like in 50 years time when the public NOW can do something about it and they are doing shit!!!

I cannot comprehend how one can elect Bush and believe he is making the right choice. Iraq once being the centre of culture and education has NOW been reduced to a war zone and a shit pit..

The disturbing thing is that the BUSH administration knew this shit was going to happen after the war.
 
In reference to one of our members headed to Iraq he said "I'll be the first to laugh when you're blown up"
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Did I not appologise after that? or are you only selective just like your media...
Yes I love that website, Alex Jones is doing a great job KEEP it up ALex!!!
 
the video is worth the download ..there's 3 parts but the one I posted exposes exactly how far the neo-cons went to manufacture this war



also if you have the time read "Manufacturing Consent" or 9/11 by Noam Chomsky


actually I urge anyone with even a passing interest in the war to watch the movie or read the books
 
saracen said:
Did I not appologise after that? or are you only selective just like your media...
Yes I love that website, Alex Jones is doing a great job KEEP it up ALex!!!
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Where's your apology for those tortured in the original article? You said they deserve it.
 
no one deserves torture ..no matter what they've done ..we're all freakin humans here ..no matter what bit of cloth we worship or which imaginary lines surround the land we call "home"
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Amen. Amen.
 
Bush has proven time and time again he doesn't give a shit about what the public or any of his opponents think.
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Unfortunately, removing our soldiers from Iraq or keeping them there would not change the situation in an ups-or-downs movement. I think Bush needs to be more vocal in his choices, and at least state a, "I know what your saying, but from up here, it looks different."

An affirmation like that would quell many of the questions floating around, but since I agree removing our soldier's would make the situation worse, I'm for keeping them there for the time being.
 
thanks :thumbs:


btw ..in the ad section above the top of the threads; this was one of the links a few seconds ago:

"Sexy Iraq Singles"

meet sexy Iraq singles



hehehe


"hmmm I wonder where my date is?, she said she'd meet me after she disposed of a suspiscious looking package found on her front door"
 
CptStern said:
yes but so is pretty much everyone who is right-wing ...I seem to recall people not giving a shit that 500k iraqi children died ...so this is tame by comparison
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For sure, but they're on the other side :D
 
doh! come on people! ..we're getting to the point where anyone who has a differing POV is being forced into being banned ...gets boring when the only people left to debate all agree with you
 
ComradeBadger said:
saracen is banned I'm afraid.
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That didn't take too long.


.. You have the same computer as me except I have a 3.0. Weird. (and different brand RAM/HDD but same stuff)
 
saracen was banned for the way he thought things were...

kept him here any longer and stern wudda turned him into a mini-stern no problem ;) :E
 
CptStern said:
doh! come on people! ..we're getting to the point where anyone who has a differing POV is being forced into being banned ...gets boring when the only people left to debate all agree with you
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In fact, he was banned for these 'gems'

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1466698&postcount=16
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1466785&postcount=23
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1461386&postcount=213

Eep shortened urls :eek: (Ta for pulling me up on that)
 
ComradeBadger said:
saracen is banned I'm afraid.
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I hate to challange the mods but can anyone explain why? I disagreed deeply with a lot of what he said but as far as I could tell he didn't do anything that was hurtful to this message board. Rzal was another example of a person that shouldn't have been banned but was. When I asked about it I was told that they would reconsider but never heard anything back.
 
See...this is the problem with this era and war. Very televised war = nasty pictures and angry people. War and media are not a good mix.
 
No, there not. There needs to be a brink -- we need to take a lesson from our, "religious opposition". They die, because they literally believe in something.

We used to know that lesson -- so will it ever be taught again?
 
The media is crap. When my dad was over seas for 4 years he watched the news and thought America was falling apart. He though it was a 3rd world country, and when he returned it was the same he remembered it. The media makes things very biased and doesn't show you everything that is happening. Same with Iraq.
 
You have to watch all the Media stations to get a somewhat decent picture of whats going on over there. Most Newstations where I live lean so far right and left, the only real things you hear are "Bush is God" and "Bush is the Devil" :cheese: They don't care about real news. They care about money. Why report on a peaceful situation when you can turn it into a bloodbath?
 
the trick is to not rely exclusively on american news organisations ..or better still just stay away from corporate owned media
 
Glirk Dient said:
The media is crap. When my dad was over seas for 4 years he watched the news and thought America was falling apart. He though it was a 3rd world country, and when he returned it was the same he remembered it. The media makes things very biased and doesn't show you everything that is happening. Same with Iraq.
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He though america was a 3rd world country? Can I have some of what he was smoking :smoking:
 
No Limit said:
He though america was a 3rd world country? Can I have some of what he was smoking :smoking:
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Definately, its called liberal media. However, you seem to have had your fill.
 
Glirk Dient said:
Definately, its called liberal media. However, you seem to have had your fill.
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LOL, I will admit that was funny. :LOL:

A republican comedian ; rare breed.
 
Glirk Dient said:
The media is crap. When my dad was over seas for 4 years he watched the news and thought America was falling apart. He though it was a 3rd world country, and when he returned it was the same he remembered it. The media makes things very biased and doesn't show you everything that is happening. Same with Iraq.
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I dont get it ...he was watching american liberal media? ...overseas? .....you cant be referring to cnn when you say "liberal media" ......can you?


or do you mean that the news organisations were all liberal in what ever country constitues as "overseas" ...doesnt that tell you something? my guess would be that if US media is highly conservative (in your fathers eyes) then whatever foreign news programs he was watching is the norm?
 
CptStern said:
I dont get it ...he was watching american liberal media? ...overseas? .....you cant be referring to cnn when you say "liberal media" ......can you?


or do you mean that the news organisations were all liberal in what ever country constitues as "overseas" ...doesnt that tell you something? my guess would be that if US media is highly conservative (in your fathers eyes) then whatever foreign news programs he was watching is the norm?
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It was a joke.
 
CptStern said:
I dont get it ...he was watching american liberal media? ...overseas? .....you cant be referring to cnn when you say "liberal media" ......can you?


or do you mean that the news organisations were all liberal in what ever country constitues as "overseas" ...doesnt that tell you something? my guess would be that if US media is highly conservative (in your fathers eyes) then whatever foreign news programs he was watching is the norm?
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No...I was talking about the media where he was stationed. However I do not know if they were liberal or conservative, it doesn't really matter. What I was saying is everything the news showed over there was negative about the U.S. so he got the impression the U.S. was falling apart due to no positive news coming from the states.
 
were they supposed to report of all the times an american saved a kitten that was stuck up a tree? it's the same everywhere else ...when I hear something about say ..sweden ..it's something bad: "15 hikers killed in sweden ..more at 11" ...I really dont know what you expect from foreign news media ...they report the news ..they just dont sugar coat it like they do in the US ...every flipping time I turn on CNN it's some fluff piece on a soldiers life in iraq ...judging from that alone you'd think the war was going just dandy when in actuality it couldnt be further from the truth
 
Bad news gets ratings. Good news lasts for a day, and then it stops making money.
 
Dag said:
Bad news gets ratings. Good news lasts for a day, and then it stops making money.
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how would that play out overseas? it's not like it sells itself on reporting bad news about the US
 
CptStern said:
how would that play out overseas? it's not like it sells itself on reporting bad news about the US
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No one would watch the news if it were all good. People would simply lose interest and the channels rating would suck, they would lose sponsors and they would go out of business.
 
that's not true ..only 40% of the news is actually "news" the rest is human interest stories, recycled media and what I term "info-tainment" ...watch classic reels from the 70's ...journalism today is about editorialising oneself to placate the corporate overseers ..it's rarely about "reporting the news"

journalism watchdog
 
CptStern said:
that's not true ..only 40% of the news is actually "news" the rest is human interest stories and what I term "info-tainment" ...watch classic reels from the 70's ...journalism today is about editorialising oneself to placate the corporate overseers ..it's rarely about "reporting the news"
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That may be so, but without the bad news people wouldn't bother, info-tainment is thrown in so the world doesn't seem so depressing, but it is still not any good news.
 
but the news isnt inherently "good" or "bad" ..it's reporting what happens ...if a child is saved by a last minute bone marrow transplant ..it makes the news ..sure the latest speech by the pres may bump it but that's the nature of corporate owned news ...they're there to make a buck, nothing else ..read the articles I supplied
 
But bad news makes more bucks than good news.
 
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