Irish Resistance Mod

[Solaris]

Ive been wantig to learn to model and code and such for a while now.

Ive already done a basic coding tutorial, and have reasonabal level design skills.

I have that program you need to code the HL2 SDK.

So I thought why don't I set myself I project to do, ie:Make a mod. And gradual do things as I get the skills.
I don't really care how crappy it looks, becuase my real aim is to learn some skills, and if something fun is the end result so be it.

Ive decided to have the theme, of the Irish rebellion for the mod, and it can span from 1900's to 1980's, with battles in Irealand between the 'Black and Tans' and the IRA, and maybe some citie battles, between armed police and the 'Volunteers' in the mod.

I don't really have this crazy idea that Ill have a great mod easyilly, I really want to learn, while apllying it to a theme I can associate with. I'm sure Ill be asking alot of you for some tips along the way, and Ill get a freind to create a site.

So my first question, how do I start, should I makes two base models and implement it into counterstrike? And then as I get better model and animate should guns and change the values? I think this is going to be hard , anyone who is newish to modding and would like to join feel free to tell me, I still havent got a name either. But Itll be fun!

Wish me luck!

Solaris

 

[W4E]

/me gives luck.

First, is this going to be a multiplayer mod? I managed to compile the single player code, but multiplayer is alot more complicated.

second, you said you might implement things into counter-strike and change values. But is it possible to edit counter-strike? I thought you had to do it from scratch from hl2 or hl2dm.

Id start by making a singleplayer mod, then when you have enough modding knowledge make it multiplayer.

 

[$kelet0r]

the ira were always mainly terrorists
only during the early 1920s were they freedom fighters similar in tactics to insurgents in Iraq today
and its theme would not go down well with many at all myself included
if you really want to do this mod - go down this route - do the war of independence with flying colums of irish insurgents fighting the ric and army in the countryside - gameplay would be attack and defend of key assets ...police stations, ira safe houses, convoy of supplies or weapons etc.

if you want to do something more ambitious do the 1916 rising for the urban battlefield setting

only 2 character types need be made - ww1 british soldier in field green and khaki (hence the name black and tans) and irish resistance wearing mainly brown in the working class attire of the era with the obligatory brown tweed hat
ww1 weapons, no artillery, no tanks - only trucks and cars with armour and a machine gun - which applies to both although the irish would never have been able to use the latter - where would they have put it or used it!!

PLEASE DO NOT DO A MOD ON THE MODERN IRA-
besides if you did it would involve no learning just converting css to ireland so use hl2 for it

gameplay - go for capture the objective (note not flag) in a squad based DOD style shooter - dod would suit it really well - in that brainwave comes this advice - wait until the dodsdk comes out to start the level design
plus the basic weapons of dod are perfect for a ww1 era game

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Considering my father was shot, and almost killed, while working in the army over in Northern Ireland as a peacekeeper, I'd find it in rather bad taste if you glorified the IRA.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Solaris]

I was planning mainly on doing it earlyer on, and any more modern settings would not be glorifing the current IRA now, there roots were freedom fighters but there effectively bastards now.

 

[Solaris]

Infact I'm hoping to make it educational as well, and how show both sides commited crimes.
Im downloading that model creator thingy, and Ill get to work

 

[crackhead]

i think your choosing a quite controversial subject

 

[Solaris]

I do agree.

Yet I can choose what I want and use the SDK to get any message across I want. You don't have to help me, but I would be greatful to thoose who do.

 

[W4E]

Im downloading that model creator thingy

whoa stand back people, a proffesional at work here.

 

[crackhead]

whoa stand back people, a proffesional at work here.

hahaha!

Yet I can choose what I want and use the SDK to get any message across I want.

you can indeed but you might aswell choose something less controversial as at some point you will need help at something or other and will find it hard to get it if you making it a mod tat gloryfies terroists.

 

[Solaris]

becuase my real aim is to learn some skill

6charizard

 

[Mr Stabby]

get a different topic for the mod

 

[W4E]

Make a mod about your no-fishing avatar.

hahaha!

Yay i pulled a funny.

 

[Pajari]

Looks really interesting. I abhor the IRA's terrorist tactics in 50's-70's, but in 1916 it was a nationalist uprising just like any other. That period would definitely be a lot more interesting and a lot less controversial, because of time passed since the event and the fact that before 1916 the Irish had taken all kinds of shit from the English for several hundred years, and thus had at least a few major greivances to begin a rebellion.

And plus, the weapons and tactics would be much removed from anything else out there.

 

[Solaris]

Well, Ive made the first map, not a good place to start I know, but hey, now I can test my builds out on it.

I like the concept of the mod, and although it features in TV alot never in games.

 

[crackhead]

thats because they only make games where your killing the terroists. not where you a terrosist killing the good guys. u may aswell make a game where your osama bin laden and you have to commit terroist attacks on america.

 

[blinking halo]

i dont see how the US invading iraq on false intel about 'weapons of mass destruction' is any more justified than the IRA. And there are about a dozen games/mods about that.

 

[egoncalo]

The 1916 Easter Rising would be a 10x more interesting topic then a modern based game on the IRA. Most people now think of the IRA as terrorists, which they are, and are going to be stuck in that mindset. People generally won't want to be educated about them! Besides that gameplay will be incredibly similiar to CS:S and alot of other mods out right now. Why not spice it up and throw a different type of mod from a different time period into the mix? The 1916 was not only a tragedy, but it is a defining point in Ireland's history. Teaching people about the Easter Rising would be alot more creative, and alot more interesting in my opinion. Do some research on the 1916 rising and you may even find your self enthralled. Listen to the song, "The Foggy Dew", it is based around the rising. We're just trying to help man, and rather then fighting the mobs suggesting you change the topic to someting else and giving us reasons, you should be listening to our suggestions in order to help YOU learn what the public wants! The public's opinion is usually the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of any mod project. Well man, good luck, I wish ya the best and have a fun time learning. If you ever have any questions about texturing, skinning, or mapping feel free to ask! :cheers:

 

[$kelet0r]

if you do do the 1916 rising which i would be very much in favour of then you would really need to hit the history books - you don't want to be laughed out of it for simple mistakes or visit dublin for a weekend to get a feel for the levels

 

[blinking halo]

We're just trying to help man, and rather then fighting the mobs suggesting you change the topic to someting else and giving us reasons, you should be listening to our suggestions in order to help YOU learn what the public wants! The public's opinion is usually the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of any mod project. Well man, good luck, I wish ya the best and have a fun time learning. If you ever have any questions about texturing, skinning, or mapping feel free to ask! :cheers:

i agree that the 1916 easter rising would be a cool theme, but i disagree about the public opinion. The whole idea of modding is that you can take your own ideas and make whatever you want, instead of having to bend and kiss the gamers foot, like big multibillion companies have to do. Take EA. They havent cranked out an original game. Ever. Now take some of mod groups out there. They constantly come up with new and cool ideas. Yes of course there are crap mods too, but i disagree strongly that mods should make the public opinion their main concern. /my 2 cents

 

[Solaris]

Have no illusion the mod will feature the 1916 easter uprising, the earlier fight for freedom, is completely what I want to focus on. I just I thought it might be intresting as the mod progress's to explore the journey of the IRA.

Some nice realistic, maybe countryside fighting, and maybe some small town levels would be cool.

Blinking halo, well said I totally agree, I don't care if no-one plays it, I will have learnt alot (hopefully) while paying tribute to the people who made my homeland free.

The more modern IRA have factionised, and many of them kill indiscriminatley, I don't at all condone the killing of civillians. The Omagh bombing was a tradergy, they were complete b*****s the people who did it.

-Listen to the song, "The Foggy Dew", it is based around the rising.
Ive got quite a colection of rebel songs, Ill have a look for that one.

-Thats because they only make games where your killing the terroists. not where you a terrosist killing the good guys.
In my opinion the fighting a unwanted occupying force, is always justified.

But lets keep the politics out of this, your not going to stop me, and I am glad alot of you have no problem with other areas besides the years 1945 and 3045 having mods set in.

All help is apreciated, I'm currently creating a mod document with plans for the mod inside, when thats released if anyone wants to have a hand at doing some concept art (my drawing is teh 1337:stare: ) then youre welcome to do.

Ive got some free hosting and a freind is gonna help with some basic webdesign.

Thanks guys
Solaris

Edit-Btw I'm Irish
Edit2 - Foggy Dew is officially this mods offical theme tune of officialness.

 

[egoncalo]

Told you foggy due was a great song, I notice you have it quoted already in your sig bwahaha. I had it in my profile for awhile. Real nice, but tragic song. BTW I realize easter rising won't be featured it's earlier then the IRA. I was hoping you may change your topic to that, but it was only my opinion. Go with your flow man. :thumbs:

 

[$kelet0r]

isn't that what he said in his post that he will be doing 1916 and the IRB rising with some fighting in the countryside - the war of independence

solaris i didn't know you're irish i was always under the impression that you lived in Britain

 

[W4E]

he does.

Id start off making a simple multiplayer mod. Singleplayer you need to make storylines / characters etc. But you could easily come up with some wacky multiplayer mod. Come to think of it, i might try it.

 

[Solaris]

Im of Irish blood.

Foggy dew is fantastic, Sarah Mc Lachlan really does it well.

The mod is going to be about all the heroes who fought for irish independance, inlcuding the easter rising. After reading more about it in 'Horrible Historys' and the BBC have a sight dedicated to it, its definatly a subject for the mod.

 

[$kelet0r]

heroes

debatable.....
the argument goes that we got almost the same from negotiation before ww1 which would have come into effect as 1916 and half a decade of bloodshed achieved by 1923

 

[Solaris]

The unions weren't really in control of a large enough work force.

 

[crackhead]

i dont know much about the history of ireland and im not irish. but there is one thing that is a fact and that is that the ira are terroists.

 

[Solaris]

To some point they are. In the past they were good men.

When you invade a country, deny people the right to vote, shoot women and children you become a terrorist, and make 'terrorists' heroes.

I know who I'd rather support.

Ive already clarified my position, I want to make a game where you shoot at English soldiers. If you don't like it tough, Im doing it anyway, but I'd rather we got on than didn't, and I'm sure I'll need some of your help in the future.

 

[Solaris]

Irish Resistance Mod - Developers Plan

The aim of the mod is to produce some realistic and historically accurate game play based upon the Irish Revolution. There will be a mixture of Countryside and Urban mapping, accompanied (if legally possible, with some Irish rebel soundtracks).

Earlier one the maps will just be standard team deathmatch, we hope however, to add respawn limits, say like DOD where the dead respawn every 10 seconds, and some round based maps like CS.

The first aims of the mod are too:

Get 2 models in game working, one for the ‘British Soldiers) and one for the rebels, these will be as accurate as our skills allow. We then will remodel the pistol, and alter the code to increase the damage, and lower the rate of fire, and if possible add a better sound.

The next goal would be to get a rifle modelled, and implemented with one shot kill damage, slow ROF, and long reload time. With this and a decent team death match map, we could potentially release an alpha at this point. Be it external of Internal.

The next goal would be to implement some objectives into the map, this could potentially be done just by a mapper, there would be no need to alter any code, but at some point there will be.

A good map idea could be based upon the eater rising, and the taking of the post office.

Currently on the Team is Link, Solaris as co everythingers and Blinking Halo as Mapper.


Thanks
Irish Resistance Mod Development Team (Not mod’s actual name)

 

[crackhead]

well good luck with it then. i know plenty of irish people who would probly enjoy playing this.

If you are reading this, you can read.

i can read!

 

[who]

well if you do make this you will lose ( and i will make sure of it ) a good majority of support from brits, glorifying terrorism during the troubled times we live in would be extremely foolish, having experienced ira bombings first hand i sincerely advise you to change the theme of your mod, maybe read a history book while your about it.

seriously dont release it(guy who posted first, you really should know how to spell ireland)

even contemplating this mod is a bad idea, if valve and steam have any sense they will stop it. i hope.

i have had many relationships with irish people and we are all disgusted by all froms of terrorism, i would like to point out that the war against iraq was a terrorist incursion by america (yes america, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder, and u guys have done more bad than you have ever done good, maybe its time u prove that u can actually achieve something decent in the world, apart from your own ignorant satisfaction)

its political now, the world watches, and the world is much bigger than u, ever watched a bugs life?, start looking at yourselves as the grasshoppers, because thats how the rest of the world sees u

 

[$kelet0r]

well if you do make this you will loose ( and i will make sure of it ) a good majority of support from brits, gloifying terrorism during the troubled times we live in would be extremely foolish, having experienced ira bombings first hand i sincerely advise you to change the theme of your mod, maybe read a history book while your about it.

seriously dont release (guy who posted first, you really should know how to spell ireland)

even contemplating this mod is a bad idea, if valve and steam have any sense they will stop it. i hope. its political now

you obviously have no idea what you are talking about and threats to boot!?!
personally i wish solaris the very best of luck recreating 1916 and the Dublin Irb rising
if you insist on being a hater based on ignorance well what can i say - i despise fools

 

[who]

omfg , i guess your american, im british, i have many irish friends, EVERYONE I KNOW THINKS THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS DISGUSTING!

may god forgive you, and if he doesnt may you rot in hell

 

[crackhead]

well if you do make this you will lose ( and i will make sure of it )

i dont know what you meen by lose. hes not trying to win anything. and im almost certain if he makes this theres nothing you can do about it. also why are you refering to solaris as if he is part of the ira. im sure he isnt. if your sayign that about irish people in general than that is very faccist. you should be ashamed.

 

[who]

omfg , i guess your american, im british, i have many irish friends, EVERYONE I KNOW THINKS THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS DISGUSTING!

if you insist on being a hater based on ignorance well what can i say - i despise fools

go despise yourself then, whats your name? willing to let everyone know your supporting a terrorist ideal? please tell me where u live ( and u will if you believe you are right ) so do you support the ira, because supporting a game based around "real" terrorism as opposed to cs and cs:s is sick.

 

[$kelet0r]

omfg , i guess your american, im british, i have many irish friends, EVERYONE I KNOW THINKS THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS DISGUSTING!

may god forgive you, and if he doesnt may you rot in hell

check my location numbnuts
and you still have no idea what you are talking about
reading seems to be such a rare gift these days

Spoiler

Solaris is doing a mod based on the 1916 rising and the subsequent war of independence in ireland

 

[who]

maybe if i post this you will all understand how much this idea sickens me,

i thought of a mod, you take the part of a middle eastern covert organisation, your goal is to destroy western life and ideals, your first mission is to take control of an airline secondly u get to fly around new york, thirdly and most disgustingly you pilot the craft into two great buildings and get to see the ragdoll effects of many innocent poeple falling and jumping to thier demise.next mission you bomb several transportation links (again with horrific ragdoll physics)

if this idea sickened you then you will understand how appalled i am that this idea for a mod is even in circulation.

please think about what you are doing, and think if anyone you know would want to play the simulated part of a real terrorist group.

seriosuly people, open your eyes.

you obviously have no idea what you are talking about and threats to boot!?!
personally i wish solaris the very best of luck recreating 1916 and the Dublin Irb rising
if you insist on being a hater based on ignorance well what can i say - i despise fools

pick up a newspaper john, u need to start living and stop posting, get an existence. and understand the world around you, instead of the world you live in, then you can call yourself a man, and THEN your opinion is a valid one. You also have a very limited grasp of politics.

lol i joined the forums AFTER you and see how many posts ive made , thats because i get out of my house!
i feel that youve lived on these forums just so it says "senior member" under your name . rofl.

 

[crackhead]

everyones opinion here is valid. and also how can you justify a game where you go around killing people because thats the basis of many games.

 

[W4E]

Sigh.. Please read the posts in the topic before you go on a rant.

The same thing can be applied to any game. Like cs as you suggested.

Oh no! how can you play that game its sick, i had a friend that had to shoot a terrorist!! And he had to defuse a bomb! oh noes a bomb blew up in real life! omgzor someone got killed by a grenade! you cant have something in a game which happened in reality at some point!!

Get back to playing snakes and ladders. Oh wait. You knew a ladder that broke once. Cant play that then.