Irish Resistance Mod

[who]

i raise the subject of cs against this mod because counterstrike is counter terrorism, NOT a mod based on a real terrorist organisation,

i made the point earlier because how many people want to play as a middle eastern "freedom fighting resistance", bombing america left right and center.
anyone?... no?

i also understand that america has been supporting the ira for countless years (one might see that as aiding terrorism.. oh.. but surely that breaks american law.. maybe america should strip itself down naked , beat yourselves up, and take pictures to mail to all of your friends).. and yes even though america supported the ira tony f*****g blair still helped u out in iraq ( when u needed the allies )

why is it so easy for you to condone this mod? does it not worry you?

are you really as sick and twisted as the terrorists, osama wuld be laughing his tits off if he knew how many of you are willing to condone terrorism.

i got the impression from some of these posts that these are kids opinions (if they are adult opinions then god help us all)
i am very deeply troubled by the posts i have read here. I hope others who understand are equally troubled.

 

[W4E]

It is based on real terrorism groups.

Read the info on 1.6, its not in source because they only have 1 player model.

 

[who]

It is based on real terrorism groups.

Read the info on 1.6, its not in source because they only have 1 player model.

sorry , you are wrong, counterstrike doesnt in anyway link itself to terrorist groups, it is simply a first person shooter, like rainbow six. in no way (this is lawyer spk) does it affiliate with any REAL terrorist organisation, this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!!

if u dont understand this very simple legal implication then you dont deserve to, you have alot to learn

 

[egoncalo]

Who, if you knew anything about history and your supposed "heritage" you'd know that in 1916 the Irish got the shit kicked out of them by the British. Dublin was bombarded from the sea for days and then invaded by the British army and the rebels and thier leaders utterly massacred (most laid down there arms). I think you are a 15 year old child that's on crack and needs to be banned. Whether we are from Yugoslavia, America, Australia, Holland, Britain, or even Ireland -- we all still are entitled to have our own opinion. Do you think Valve, Steam, and the player base are made up of Irish people with the exact same opinion as you? I think not. Enough with reffering to God, and telling people to go Rot in hell -- it's not your place to tell anyone that. Also your criticism of America isn't welcomed and it's not apropriate. You don't see us American's openly criticizing other countries on a modding forum. If you have political views bring them else where, because as for us here... we think you are a fool.

EDIT: After reading your posts over again I WILL pursue your IP being banned from these forums. You take the terrorist acts against the United States much to jovially and it is not your place to say anything about them. Grow some balls and stop listening to your Dad talk politics. Asshat.

 

[crackhead]

i agree. you seem very troubled prehaps you should seek help?

 

[who]

double posted by accident, new mouse methinks

 

[who]

lmao, if i didnt know better you just made a political post..
and your post holds no merits, its rubbish, what happened in 1916 has very little to so with the current day problems, i wouldnt expect u to understand tho.
as for condemning ppl to hell, you should know all about that, and it happens to be a christian curse, surely ur pres has told you.. hes on a crusade :s (god speaks to him) hmmm.. yes... im sure thats normal.. he thinks hes the pope..

and according to you ,you condone this mod, so i am allowed to make a mod for sep11? .. dont think so. OMFG of course i can, all i have to do is set it 90 years ago when the "anti west" thing was really taking off and it will be alright
,ingame peeps can take orders from osamas dad. how about it?

and although u are unable to speak out against your own government i can, not only against your government but mine aswell, i think maybe thats the difference.


i openly criticize this mod because thats the whole point of forums.
i am alowed an opinion, its called democracy, it may be unfamiliar.

i would not object to this mod if it was happeneing a bit later, when the northern ireland conflict is over, until then its not apprpriate.

i did expect an american to post in favour of ira, uve been fed so much poo from ur government im sure you would believe the sky is green and the grass is blue if they told you to... ahem (communism.. faschism .. bush)

i agree. you seem very troubled prehaps you should seek help?

its called "realism" (and i am VERY cynical) u either understand or you dont, only two others on this forum understand and its because they have educated themselves, history in a book is one thing, how history applies to modern day life is another.

*when your best childhood friends are ripped to shreds from a bomb blast ( m+s manchester ) then you might understand my objections, i can imagine thousands of people queing up 2 stone me to death if i made a september 11th mod. think about it kids

 

[crackhead]

i openly criticize this mod because thats the whole point of forums.
i am alowed an opinion, its called democracy, it may be unfamiliar.

your the only person here telling other people their not entitled to an opinion for example:

and understand the world around you, instead of the world you live in, then you can call yourself a man, and THEN your opinion is a valid one.

also i dont agree with making a mod about the ira either but i have been very mature about what i said and im not know for that. you are beeing childish.

 

[blinking halo]

Who, you are saying that what happened in 1916 doesnt matter and yet you are (supposedly) from Ireland. Solaris is (i gather) basing his mod on the early days of the IRA, and i dont think it can be considered a terrorist faction at that point. Yes, they have committed some terrible atrocities since their early days, but the IRA used to be a resistance organization, when the British where trying to control Ireland and denied its people many basic human rights. Are you saying that the Iraqis who resisted American invasion are wrong to do so? So how is it that according to you its disgusting to portray the early irish resistors? I think you need to take some more time to think about what you are saying and not just spew anger and insults.

 

[egoncalo]

what happened in 1916 has very little to so with the current day problems, i wouldnt expect u to understand tho.

The mod is about the 1916 rising you flaming idiot. You are bringing up the modern day topics rather then his mod topic.

as for condemning ppl to hell, you should know all about that, and it happens to be a christian curse, surely ur pres has told you.. hes on a crusade :s (god speaks to him) hmmm.. yes... im sure thats normal.. he thinks hes the pope..

So all Americans choose to condemn people to hell? Now you are picking on Christians, too? Who's next I'm wondering? I really don't remember George W. Bush ever saying he was on a crusade for God or that God speaks to him. I'd like to know what TV station you're watching because I'd sure get some amusement out of it.

and according to you ,you condone this mod, so i am allowed to make a mod for sep11? .. dont think so. OMFG of course i can, all i have to do is set it 90 years ago when the "anti west" thing was really taking off and it will be alright
,ingame peeps can take orders from osamas dad. how about it?

September 11th were recent attacks and were of a terrorist nature. A complete low blow to the United States and it shocked people around the globe. The Easter Rising of 1916 involved a group of Irish citizens who tried to stand up for themselves, and become independent of Britain. Instead they were horribly murdered. Do I call Britain murderers because of this? No. Do they condemn people to Hell? No. THIS MOD IS DATED IN THE PAST. HE IS NOT REFFERING TO THE CURRENT IRA, THIS IS 1916. Meaning he is not bringing the current situation back in time, it was an actual historical situation. Unlike your Osama's Dad's Bitch Mod.

and although u are unable to speak out against your own government i can, not only against your government but mine aswell, i think maybe thats the difference.

I, too, sometimes have things I dislike that are going on in our government, and I have every right to talk about them. IN PRIVATE. Not in a public forum with people from all different countries, all different walks of life, and with all different views. Here is not the place for you to carry out your "Crusade." Also since you don't live in the US it is not your place to go and criticize any portion of our government, no matter how corrupt or wrong they are. All you hear about things in through YOUR country's media.

i openly criticize this mod because thats the whole point of forums.
i am alowed an opinion, its called democracy, it may be unfamiliar.

You just proved all of our point. You aren't citing an opinion, you are shooting down others. Not once have we directly attacked you (besides now), and all you've done is criticize others. We are all entitled to our own opinions and so are you. That's what Democracy is. Democracy also involves allowing others to have their own beliefs. BTW this a Half-Life 2 forum, hence the name www.halflife2.net and is for discussing HL2. Maybe the www.politicalcrossfire.com forums would you fit you better?

i did expect an american to post in favour of ira, uve been fed so much poo from ur government im sure you would believe the sky is green and the grass is blue if they told you to... ahem (communism.. faschism .. bush)

I've actually been fed by my family and the government usually isn't in direct communication with me. Are all Americans alike? We must be robots or something? By the way what is "Faschism" is it food or an animal?

its called "realism" (and i am VERY cynical) u either understand or you dont, only two others on this forum understand and its because they have educated themselves, history in a book is one thing, how history applies to modern day life is another.

How did you learn your history? I certainly learned through books, the number one medium of most scholars and people learning about history. In order to compare it to modern life we need books, and it's a personal opinion. Where did you learn your history... Cave Murals?

*when your best childhood friends are ripped to shreds from a bomb blast ( m+s manchester ) then you might understand my objections, i can imagine thousands of people queing up 2 stone me to death if i made a september 11th mod. think about it kids

Not to sound harsh or anything... but you had friends that were alive in 1916?

 

[Yorick]

I could see a Sept 11th game/mod being made, in theory that it wasn't "Crash the plane into the towers." If it was from the United States point of view, I could see it, JUST LIKE songs were made, JUST LIKE a movie is being made, AND JUST LIKE a few comics (Spider-Man is the only one on the top of my head) were made. Because things people care about sell.

Politics are retarded. And I don't much care for this mod idea either.

[EDIT] To reply to something said to me outside of this forum, the reason I didn't bother replying to all the bad things that "Who" said, is because his opinion doesn't matter. I will always support his right to speak his mind and have an opinion, but being so unbelievably ignorant just completely removes him from my field of vision. Plus I'm betting that nothing I can say will change that. He's to be pitied.

 

[who]

actually it wasnt just my opinion, and someone further back in the post said im irish, im not, im scotish, and as for these editied replies if you read the whole posts in context you may understand, other opinions ive sighted are from a crown prosecutor

Not to sound harsh or anything... but you had friends that were alive in 1916

thats disgusting, obviously you dont realise the ira were bombing manchester less than 20 years ago, like i said, pick up a book and read a newspaper,

 

[crackhead]

i dont think you should specifically refer to the ira in this mod, if you do go ahead with it. who is getting pretty angry but it seems quite justifyed in my mind.

 

[who]

thankyou mr head, i have no objections to a mod as long as it doesnt link with the ira - or ANY other real terrorist organisation, thats all, its more personal a matter for me as i knew people who died in the manchester bombings. i hope you can understand my point of view, my anger, frustration, and ultimatly sadness at how easy it is for people to come up with an idea like this, and then justify it.

 

[egoncalo]

Just because who is angry due to what happened in a present day event does not mean that he can't replicate the 1916 easter rising! It was a completely different thing. I was not saying your friends didn't die, or they weren't killed in the manchester bombings. That truly is a tragedy. What I was saying is that they were not involved or even alive during the time period of 1916 was when the Easter Rising took place. We aren't talking about modern day IRA here folks. As for what you called the gual in that remark in the PM you sent me, I'll speak freely about whatever I'd like to about you. I have family who died in the towers, but that seems like a pretty free and easy topic for you to chit chat about. So I have no sympathy for you.

 

[who]

your still missing the point, it was the 1916 uprising that eventually lead to terrorism,and the manchetser bombings and all the other deaths, are you saying thats alright?
i really cant understand your point of view, we already have a counter terrorist game, whats being planned here is the glofication of the roots of irish terrorism, and real terrorism in general,
if you want to shoot at british soldiers go and play dod.
ecangola if you have family who died from terrorism then you should know, and it seems on your reasoning that i should have no sypathy for you either due to the easy going way u chit chat about the glorification of the ira

and thx all that reported these posts to admins, thats what i wanted.

 

[Yorick]

and thx all that reported these posts to admins, thats what i wanted.

Because you want even more people to know how stupid you are?

 

[who]

oh sucha witty comeback, but seriously we already have a terrorist and counter terrorist mod. called counterstrike. just because the american government supported the ira doesnt mean i have 2.

 

[crackhead]

this discussion is going around in circles. seeing as this mod isnt yet in production (as far as i know) theres nothing you can do about it yet.

 

[Solaris]

Okay lets say I adopt this position.
[SARCASM]
The IRA were real heroes, I fully support them and am going to golrify them killing civillians in my mod. I shall have childrenbeing killed by the freedom fighters, and play patriotic music while this happens.

Then youre going to go and shoot up a british school, in Glory.[/SARCASM]

Now Im going to do that, what the f**k are you going to do to stop me?
Its completely legal, making it illegal would be terrible for free speech.

Spoiler

The mod is not going to be about shooting civillians, which is an absolute evil, but if someone did make a mod where you kill children, I wouldnt play it, but I wouldnt want it banned either.

This mod is about Irealands fight for freedom, the people who did the easter rising did not get pwned. They were outnumbered, and they took a city.
There aim wasn't to take Dublin and then invade Belfast, they knew they might die, and probably fail, but hoped there actions would incur others to do the same which it did.

The IRA wern't really around then, but if I make maps when they were around they will be in the mod. There is nothing you can do to stop me, not many other people find it outragous to a point to ruin the thread, and completly take attention away from the developers goals.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
I think that suits this situation so either:

Stfu
Be constructive, and help
Or be banned.

I'm sure the mods would support me on that.


Solaris

 

[who]

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

well said

 

[egoncalo]

Yay we've won the thread back! Solaris I'd like to help you with things during some of my free time. Let me know how things are going!

 

[Solaris]

Okay.

Feel free to PM me if you want to help.

Updates will be regular.
But some cool stuff will be top secret.

Thanks
Solaris

 

[Mr Stabby]

I dont see any problem with a mod set in the 1916 period, about the easter rising,


this is just a suggestion but you could change it to be about clashes between the IVF and UVF in whats now boarder areas in th 20's, people would probably have less of a problem of 2 para-military groups killing eachother.

 

[Solaris]

But that isn't what I want to portray, if you have a problem - don't play.

Edit: Crackhead said I shouldnt refer to the IRA in this mod. By that logic I shouldnt refer the to the British soldiers either as they are still around and still commiting atrocoties.

Then what would I be left with if I wanted to suit everyones political opinions, a feild, maybe a tree if thoose loggers don't object.
The whole point of modding is to do what you want, and fill a gap the the regular game industry hasn't filled.

And about who's arguemnt about a mod where you are a Muslim extremeist and all that. There is a game where you play as a palestinian freedom fighter, and shoot at Isreali soldiers and have to stop them demoliting houses. Now some people might find that in bad taste (I rather enjoyed it), but its an expression of free speech, which is too often disregarded.

"*when your best childhood friends are ripped to shreds from a bomb blast ( m+s manchester )"
When your best freind is 16, is dragged out of his bed in the middle of the night, put in the living room with his dad and brother, given one minute to say there prayers, and then shot dead by the a Northean Ireland police officer. Thats not my freind, but I'm sure that 16 year old boy did have a best freind.

Was anyone actually killed in that bomb blast anyway? I was under the impression they were given warning and no-body was killed.

 

[W4E]

pick up a book and read a newspaper,

Wouldnt it be easier to pick up a newspaper and read a newspaper? Surely a book would only distract you.

sorry , you are wrong, counterstrike doesnt in anyway link itself to terrorist groups, it is simply a first person shooter, like rainbow six. in no way (this is lawyer spk) does it affiliate with any REAL terrorist organisation, this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!!

Pheonix connection, heard of them? never done about l33t kr3w in history?

if u dont understand this very simple legal implication then you dont deserve to

So if we dont understand, we dont deserve to.. right. Please learn english and forum manners.

If his mod was about the LRA not the IRA would you feel any better? Would it help you sleep at night?

I cant wait untill you make a mod, who. Oh the fun we will have.

 

[crackhead]

if I wanted to suit everyones political opinions

lol if you could do that you should be the primeinister.

anyway as i said what you do is up to you an noone can stop you unless you break ip law or anythign liek that. it was merely a suggestion.

also who he is making this mod to get a message across about the origins of the ira. i feel i have learnt alot about it just from this thread. if you have a message that you want to get across about it why dont you make a mod about killing the ira rather than come on here rant and rave about it.

 

[Solaris]

Hmm, its a mulitplayer mod, about the Irish fight for freedom.

Im not going to give the rebels big kill guns, and they pwn the english everytime, if anything it'l be the opposite.

And besides.
The IRA arn't really in the mod, its just ordinary people who fight for indepndance, especially when you look at the 1916 scenario.

 

[crackhead]

yeh i figured that from the title of the thread "irish resistance mod" therefore you wouldnt be playing a member of the ira so who chill out.

 

[Kmack]

Considering my father was shot, and almost killed, while working in the army over in Northern Ireland as a peacekeeper, I'd find it in rather bad taste if you glorified the IRA.

-Angry Lawyer

also, its a game. do you not play DoD because you might have to be Axis? or CS because you might be a terrorist? every game glorifies things not meant for glorification (think GTA) doesnt mean they arent fun.

sounds like a good plan. good luck

seeing as my father was shot, and almost killed, while defending ireland against hostile occupying armies, i find it rather good taste to glorify the IRA.

--im not cool enough to sign my posts when my name and a small picture appear in a size that dwarfs my post is a half inch up on the screen.

 

[Mr Stabby]

glorifying the IRA is retarded (espically in the provisional sense)

im not sure the IRA even existed in 1916-20s, if they did they would have been a small group, there were multiple different groups i.e the Fenians, IVF etc. and they were certainly different to the IRA form the 70's onward. Ireland was getting screwed over at the time, and most people didnt want to be british so they shouldn't have had to be, so there was justification of an armed uprising

The PIRA of the 70's are a completly differrent organisation, they dont have any justification for their actions.

 

[who]

The whole point of modding is to do what you want, and fill a gap the the regular game industry hasn't filled.

counterstrike

ok then if you are going to do it, do it well.
molotov cocktails.. (include the screaming effects and charred bodies) and after one hits you movement is halfed and sight is blurred, but u can take twice the damage (so that u see burning people unloading the last of thier ammo before falling to thier untimely demise)

lots of women and kiddies held hostage

make sure the irish resistance have less of a weapon advantage and more of a map advantage, like give the british troops 1 way to enter a village and give the resistance 3 different paths to set up and defend, gives an opportunity for cool ambushes

include traps because traps are fun.

make sure the british troops all have taches (it just looks right. and at the time a moustache was important).

make sure that their are different factions to play as, each one having a different strength and weakness. also make sure you can play as children or it wont reflect the situation properly. (give the brits penalty points for shooting kids, even if the kids are shooting back)

i still disagree with your idea on the priciple that counterstrike is already out, and other*

i hope u like my ideas tho

 

[qckbeam]

also, its a game. do you not play DoD because you might have to be Axis? or CS because you might be a terrorist? every game glorifies things not meant for glorification (think GTA) doesnt mean they arent fun.

sounds like a good plan. good luck

seeing as my father was shot, and almost killed, while defending ireland against hostile occupying armies, i find it rather good taste to glorify the IRA.

--im not cool enough to sign my posts when my name and a small picture appear in a size that dwarfs my post is a half inch up on the screen.

You know, I see what you're saying, but there is no reason to be an asshole about it.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

And after hearing some rather harrowing tales about how my dad had to go through the aftermath of car-bombs, and finding severed bits of people (including children) in the wreckage, I still find the subject matter cuts a little deep.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Sprafa]

the IRA never achieved anything for the Irish people but tons of dead people until it started negotiating, and its modern counterparts are no better. The justification of the asshole who started this idea is that if "everyone does it, it must be justifiable".

This is a lie of conformism and douchebagary, and mocking a fellow forum member who objected this mod on perfectly reasonable personnal reasons is just a douchebag

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

i find it rather good taste to glorify the IRA.

Glorious.

 

[who]

And after hearing some rather harrowing tales about how my dad had to go through the aftermath of car-bombs, and finding severed bits of people (including children) in the wreckage, I still find the subject matter cuts a little deep.

agreed, its to soon for this mod, i know how your dad feels, its something you dont recover from, the images will always be there.

the IRA never achieved anything for the Irish people but tons of dead people until it started negotiating, and its modern counterparts are no better. The justification of the asshole who started this idea is that if "everyone does it, it must be justifiable".

This is a lie of conformism and douchebagary, and mocking a fellow forum member who objected this mod on perfectly reasonable personnal reasons is just a douchebag

. well said sprafa

and im glad to see that their are some sane people out there, i hope the images above make you think twice.

 

[$kelet0r]

the big part that everyone seems to be missing is that the ira DID NOT exist in 1916 - the IRB existed
then the IRA formed post 1917 and became the army of the Irish republic and fought for Irish freedom - freedom fighters in uniform might i stress many full time regulars
following independence the IRA split into the IRA regulars who became the Irish army as it is today and the irregulars who fought the civil war
the IRA ceased to exist by 1930 and when resurrected in ww2 was brutally suppressed
end of IRA


the IRA as we know it today has no direct ancestry with the previous IRAs bar the name and was set up again in the 1960s in the North = terrorism
therefore the Whos and ALs worries are groundless as all these 2 periods share is a name and not much else
the earlier IRAs did not terrorise civilians and should not be judged by the PIRA's criminal and traitorous standards

 

[egoncalo]

Guys this is not the modern day IRA we are talking about. Read up on the Easter Rising please! They were two almost completely different organizations. The easter rising was the first uprising ever, and the Irish got killed... they weren't fighting eachother either. It wasn't terrorism. They took over a post office, and asked everyone to leave kindly. From there they held it trying to make a stand against Britain. There were no bombings or killing of children. They had tried to procure arms from the germans but failed by missing the shipment. (It was intercepted.) The only bombing or killing that took place were during the bombardment of Dublin from sea by British vessels. The only people that they targeted were the British military (mostly lancers) that challenged them in the city. Before posting please read the whole thread.

 

[armanguy]

angry lawyer i feel baf foryour dad and all and the peolple that died because of the ira but! peple still play dod:s and look what germans did during world war 2

im not going to show the more gruesome parts but you get the picture.
if you've played any war game or any military game like cs you have no right to say anything about the subject matter.