is it me or the Xbox 360 sucks?

[RoyaleWithCheese]

I have a 360 and bought PGR3, COD2, PD0 and Kameo. All games look visually impressive but PD0 and PGR3 sucked imo, so I traed them for Condemned and Ninja Gaiden Black (original xbox !). That last game is absolute freaking great!

I really like my first console but in the end the type of games you like to play will decide whether you like it at the moment or not. If you're a hardcore fps gamer then I can imagine that you're not that impressed right now, although with titles like Gears of War and Prey that will soon change.

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

sry doublepost.

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

damn triple post! *embarassed*

 

[VictimOfScience]

It's called the law of diminishing returns.

Exactly. Its like a J-curve with the far right edge (which will never quite be reached) being real-life in terms of realism. We will get closer and closer with each new generation, but it will never actually be achieved 100%.

That said, the 360 and the PS3 will bring us much closer to the end goal of photo-realism in games, but not until the devs get a seriously advanced understanding of the architectures. This of course, doesn't mean that games will be more fun though. That too is up to the developers to keep in mind while they also seek to titillate us with "eye-pooping visuals" and the like.

I agree that the 360 isn't worth the price of admission yet. Once games like Oblivion and Ghost Recon and Gears of War hit, then I can definitely understand the purchase, but right now, the selection just doesn't impress me.

 

[Gargantou]

Guys..
You are aware that you CAN also play your 360 in high-res graphics(Such as 1280x720) on a PC monitor?
Just buy the 360 VGA cable, and you can plug it in and play it hi-res style on your PC monitor, that's what I'm doing.
I might buy a HDTV this summer, if I get a job.

 

[Absinthe]

Hey Absinthe, did you just insult me right there? I've never insulted anyone here and I won't start now, no need to do that man, you just have to post that you disagree with my opinion and then proceed to state yours, but don't resolve to insults man, that just to low...

Then don't be so presumptuos when you state that 360 owners are in denial over their purchase. I find that kind of comment to be just as insulting.

 

[Freemanator89]

LOL you sir have no idea what you are talking about, and you are "one of those people" that probably couldnt afford one so your saying garbage like this to "justify" you not being able to buy one or a decent HDTV to play it on. Just about every game Ive played so far on the 360 has me hooked with the exception of madden :| and Im not easly entertained especially when it comes to games. Kameo and PDZ are a couple examples very fun gameplay and graphics that look better than anything Ive seen on my comp so far. Unless of course like I said before your playing this on a non hdtv. IMO the TV makes ALL the difference in the world with the 360.

Sounds to me like you are the most picky person in the world, "Not easily entertained"? I still think the PC is by far the best, and yes I've tried the xbox360.

 

[Agent.M]

Sounds to me like you are the most picky person in the world, "Not easily entertained"? I still think the PC is by far the best, and yes I've tried the xbox360.

You obviously didnt understand what I was trying to say at all, and no "I" dont think the pc is as good as 360 and thats my opinion. Go play your pc then and Ill sit here and enjoy my 360 and pc when I get bored. I was simply trying to defend myself cause A-hole was trying to imply that people with 360's are idiots and just trying to "justify" their purchase.

 

[Murray]

Can't say I've heard anything positive about this console.
The only people who say anything positive about it doesn't have any compelling reasons to their believes.

I've seen some games on it and I have to agree it can accomplish a high resolution, but you still see the jitters (that M$ stated would not be visible on this console, but pherhaps they ment if you were using a TV with low resolution capability and a crappy image cable). The controller wasn't that impressive; aiming in FPS games for example. When playing Call of Duty 2 and you're being shot by a sniper, you have to aim at his head and then shoot. The thing is, everytime the sniper shoots you, your aim gets f*cked up and you have to start all over again.

I tried a car game also, (not sure whitch), but you clearly saw the jitters on the model. I can't say I was impressed. The map I was playing at was really dark so I was unable to see the "awesome" effects on the car itself, except from the backlights.

I saw this episode of Jon Stewart when Dimitri Martin made some Trendspotting on the Xbox 360 and it was amazing to see how much M$ had payed to make all the news channels state the exact same thing: "The Xbox 360 is the "IT" gift this year, a must-have for everyone!!!"
In the end Dimitri stated that this christmas it is all about owning a Xbox 360... and family, and at the same time he said that he displayed a clip from someone shooting a bunch of nazies and throwing grenades in Call of Duty 2.

 

[Absinthe]

I saw this episode of Jon Stewart when Dimitri Martin made some Trendspotting on the Xbox 360 and it was amazing to see how much M$ had payed to make all the news channels state the exact same thing: "The Xbox 360 is the "IT" gift this year, a must-have for everyone!!!"

I've seen that clip and no, it mentioned nothing about Microsoft paying these people. The fact of the matter is that the 360 was an extremely hot item and the news stations reported it as such.

There's no lie or conspiracy in that.

 

[destrukt]

common/popular news sources whored the x360 because it is a huge thing, microsoft marketing or not and like with every big story, everyone wants to be in on it.

as for those saying they've heard 'nothing good about it' go read the many reviews on the internet (from popular sites like toms hardware, hardocp, ars technica and so on .. also the common user reviews), magazines and so on. you'll see just how many positive things there are about it, hell, most of the negative things on it were the people whoring the power supply problem (less than the average for the launch of a console, but it's microsoft so it's 10x worse, right lemmings ?) otherwise they don't really have much other than the common opinion, like with people not liking a ps2 or whatever.

ugly lemmings, please get over the m'$' thing, thanks.

Beyond the graphics, no game on 360 is superior to anything avaliable on previous-generation consoles.

you're right, they should bring the innovation in game quality like the ps2 did with the ps1, they totally didn't only have visual upgrades. also, when you upgrade your pc hardware, you're also upgrading the quality of games, developers aren't included anywhere in this comment by the way.

 

[Zephos]

Bah, hasn't anyone really noticed it yet? Most of these launch titles for the 360 are purely sequels and/or tired genres with a new coat of paint. PGR3, Call of Duty and Perfect Dark Zero are all just their originals with new graphical features. Where the hell is the innovation? Condemned has a couple of twists on the FPS genre, but I see no other game. When it really comes down to it, what makes you think "Holy crap now that's original" with these titles, or even in the future? Halo 3 (which is going to be a "killer app" for the 360") will probably just be Halo 2 with physics strategies and better graphics...LIKE OMGWTFBBQ THAT HASN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED BEFORE! *Cough* Dual wield in Halo 2 *Cough* *Cough*.

Remember when the Gamecube and PS2 came out? The launch titles felt innovative, original and had great graphics. Pikmin was unlike anything before it, and I guess that was it's downfall. Frankly, I'm anticipating the Revolution and PS3 quite eagerly, the Rev more so. Like someone mentioned above, it was hard in COD2 to aim with that controller...Enter Nintendo's controller.

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

Innovative games will come eventually. And it takes some time to learn how to code for the new hardware in the consoles so expect a shitload of games in the near future. It is arguable whether microsoft should have waited with the launch until really innovative games were ready.

And what's wrong with games that build upons succesful formula's? At least if you know you like the genre, you can't really go wrong. I'd rather have a properly stolen/copied idea than a poorly invented one.

 

[Absinthe]

PS2? Innovative launch titles?

Are you from this plane of existence?

 

[destrukt]

Bah, hasn't anyone really noticed it yet? Most of these launch titles for the 360 are purely sequels and/or tired genres with a new coat of paint. PGR3, Call of Duty and Perfect Dark Zero are all just their originals with new graphical features. Where the hell is the innovation? Condemned has a couple of twists on the FPS genre, but I see no other game. When it really comes down to it, what makes you think "Holy crap now that's original" with these titles, or even in the future? Halo 3 (which is going to be a "killer app" for the 360") will probably just be Halo 2 with physics strategies and better graphics...LIKE OMGWTFBBQ THAT HASN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED BEFORE! *Cough* Dual wield in Halo 2 *Cough* *Cough*.

Remember when the Gamecube and PS2 came out? The launch titles felt innovative, original and had great graphics. Pikmin was unlike anything before it, and I guess that was it's downfall. Frankly, I'm anticipating the Revolution and PS3 quite eagerly, the Rev more so. Like someone mentioned above, it was hard in COD2 to aim with that controller...Enter Nintendo's controller.

did you even play the first perfect dark on gamecube, pd0 is very different and has new features, also, improved visuals aren't a 'feature.'

yeah man, and your weak attack at halo2 being unoriginal can be applied to halflife2, it's easy and lame, nice job.

also, the x360 has been out like what, 3 months in the us ? "LIKE OMGWTFBBQ" - as you've heard many times (and somehow ignored ?), it takes time for developers to become comfortable with the hardware.

PS2? Innovative launch titles?

Are you from this plane of existence?

exactly what i'm getting at, why are these people bashing the x360 saying it's 'only' new processing power.

 

[AfternoonLemon]

yeah man, and your weak attack at halo2 being unoriginal can be applied to halflife2, it's easy and lame, nice job.

You have just ridiculed yourself out of this argument, my friend

I don't own a 360 but I wanted one before the launch - but I'm not sure why. There is very little to make me pay the money for one - only PD-Z catches my eye as being any good. I think it is inevitable that I will get one at some point, probably this year, but only when they release games to make me buy it.

For now - I'm gonna upgrade the PC

 

[Mechagodzilla]

PS2 wasn't worth it at the time either. That's the point.

A console is only as good as its games and, as it stands, 360 does not have good enough games to warrant a multi-hundred-dollar price tag.

I upgrade my computer or buy a playstation so that I can play the Half-Lifes and Metal Gear Solids of the world. Not so that I can replay mundane versions of games I already own.

Replaying things is good, but it's just stupid to pay five-hundred dollars to do so.

 

[Axyon]

Bah, hasn't anyone really noticed it yet? Most of these launch titles for the 360 are purely sequels and/or tired genres with a new coat of paint. PGR3, Call of Duty and Perfect Dark Zero are all just their originals with new graphical features. Where the hell is the innovation? Condemned has a couple of twists on the FPS genre, but I see no other game. When it really comes down to it, what makes you think "Holy crap now that's original" with these titles, or even in the future? Halo 3 (which is going to be a "killer app" for the 360") will probably just be Halo 2 with physics strategies and better graphics...LIKE OMGWTFBBQ THAT HASN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED BEFORE! *Cough* Dual wield in Halo 2 *Cough* *Cough*.

Remember when the Gamecube and PS2 came out? The launch titles felt innovative, original and had great graphics. Pikmin was unlike anything before it, and I guess that was it's downfall. Frankly, I'm anticipating the Revolution and PS3 quite eagerly, the Rev more so. Like someone mentioned above, it was hard in COD2 to aim with that controller...Enter Nintendo's controller.

Need I say any more? MS doesn't want to take risks on the launch of their newest toy, and sequels to already-popular games are a solid foundation. After a couple of months is when they'll be releasing the innovation. Remember Abe's Odyssey for the Xbox? They raved on and on about it, giving it publicity equal to Halo itself, and it flopped pretty damn quickly on release.

 

[Danimal]

The 360 ain't out in Australia yet. Infact, I forgotten that it exsists.

 

[Absinthe]

PS2 wasn't worth it at the time either. That's the point.

That wasn't Darksabre's point though.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Well good for Darksabre. I speak for myself.

 

[Absinthe]

Well good for Darksabre. I speak for myself.

Both destrukt's and my reply to the PS2 tangent was based on his assertion that the PS2 was blessed with an innovative launch.

So when you say "that's the point" in response... you confuse me.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

did you even play the first perfect dark on gamecube, pd0 is very different and has new features, also, improved visuals aren't a 'feature.'

The original Perfect Dark debuted on N64, not Gamecube. M$ bought the rights to Rareware's titles and killed any possible innovation that could have been made with the nearly forgotten PD.
PDZ is a mistake in every right.

ANyways, this whole thread is nothing more than an argument between PC fanboys and console supporters.

People have to realize that no setup is better than any other. If my original Perfect Dark had not been stolen I still might play in favor of CS:S.

I just can't justify upgrading thousands of dollars worth of PC equipment every few years when a console costs a few hundred dollars and has a shelf life of at least 5 years.

The only reason I don't like the 360 is because M$ bought out Rare. I have a personal vendetta. But I realize it's a good system. Graphically it rivals the PC, it's much easier to use, you don't have to worry about technical bullshit, keyboards get ****ing irritating, you don't need your friends to lug their PCs over to LAN, and most importantly the selection of games that will eventually come out will be far more varied and fun than anythign we will see beyond the PCs two or three mega hits.

I'll upgrade my PC this year, for the sole reasons of CS:S with a good framerate, so I can play UT2k7, so I can play Aftermath and HL3. Beyond the fun online factor and ground breaking graphical showcases to be expereinced PC gaming offers nothing worth taking a PC fanboi stance over consoles. I have maybe 100 games from my N64 to my GC that I play over and over. Maybe 5 or 6 PC games that I can even remember by name, 2 or 3 I'll consider playing more than once.
Matter of fact my sister busted out my N64 and PSOne and I had some good times just watching while I perused the net.

All in all console bashing is idiotic at best, especially on a system that's barely a month old. Consoles, like PCs, are an investment. The return you get is whatever you put into researching and aquiring the type of entertainment that is available and suits you. I myself have kept a record of every piece of console related equipment I've bought since 1997. The total is closing in on $5000 and I can say I am satisfied with my decision.
Now the time has come to drop maybe 1k on rebuilding my desktop. After researching I'm confident the end result with what I make will be worthwhile for years to come because I know what I like, and I know what I need to be happy.

-Theend.

 

[JellyWorld]

360s aren't on sale yet here :/ Preorders start next month I think.

 

[Absinthe]

The original Perfect Dark debuted on N64, not Gamecube. M$ bought the rights to Rareware's titles and killed any possible innovation that could have been made with the nearly forgotten PD.
PDZ is a mistake in every right.

I'm not seeing the rationale behind this assertion.

lol "M$"

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

I'm not seeing the rationale behind this assertion.
lol "M$"

I've actually never used the M$ acronym until today, but it seems appropriate.

As far as rationale, that is my own personal bias and I stated that clearly and honestly. Rareware, the developers of Perfect Dark, whom have since shortened their name to just "Rare", were originally a NIntendo specific developer and made games only for Nintendo.
Every game they made was a highly acclaimed blockbuster. Certain sequels maybe less so, but they could do no wrong.

Along comes Micro****, buying them off, and stealing away one of the few proud supporters of Nintendo. Rare is all they really had. Sony took Squaresoft and Capcom, and this is why the Big N has had few quality games as of late.

It's this reason I despise Microsoft and will never buy their crap, minus my mouse. Intellimouse is great. I may be biased, but I'm not stupid. I use what's good. Xbox is an evil console plotting the death of Nintendo and I will have none of it. I will play their games at my friends house, but they shall get no money of my own.

 

[Murray]

I've seen that clip and no, it mentioned nothing about Microsoft paying these people. The fact of the matter is that the 360 was an extremely hot item and the news stations reported it as such.

There's no lie or conspiracy in that.

It is so a conspiracy! Shut up you!

 

[destrukt]

The original Perfect Dark debuted on N64, not Gamecube. M$ bought the rights to Rareware's titles and killed any possible innovation that could have been made with the nearly forgotten PD.
PDZ is a mistake in every right.

yay for typos, i meant n64 and was thinking gamecube.

/me goes back to playing goldeneye.

also, if you rehabs stop being so ugly, you might be able to get over the 'nothing from microsoft could possibly be innovative' mindset and actually progress.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

also, if you rehabs stop being so ugly, you might be able to get over the 'nothing from microsoft could possibly be innovative' mindset and actually progress.

Nintendo has much higher quality standards than profit-driven Microsoft.
But I was referring solely to Perfect Dark.

I find a lot of Microsoft's games are good. A lot of Xbox's games are fun and worth buying.
I love Project Gotham. Fable was a superb piece of innovation.
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I do agree however there is a lot of uncalled for, blind bias against particular platforms.

 

[Zephos]

After a couple of months is when they'll be releasing the innovation. Remember Abe's Odyssey for the Xbox? They raved on and on about it, giving it publicity equal to Halo itself, and it flopped pretty damn quickly on release.

Man my name was thrown around a lot just then

It's such a pity too, the Oddworld series was excellent in style and story...and the world itself was well realized (not many games can say that). I heard the people making it have now moved on to full CGI movies and such, so there's still hope for the continuation of Abe's adventures