Is this a case of religion going to far?

Today in history my teacher played us a song that some band from her church made about freeing the Dalit. In case you don't know what that is, the Dalit are a part of the Hinduism religion, and are considered "untouchable." These people are treated like pig filth, and given no contact with any humans and are considered two filthy and horrible to even hurt.

So she pops in the song, and I was utterly disgusted by some of the lyrics, which basically was a message to the prime minister that their religion was a lie, and GOD makes everyone free and equal.

I get that the way the Dalit are treated is bad and all, but honestly, it's their religion, and it's their business, not some crappy christian bands. Not to mention it's terribly ironic that they start out saying "GOD MAKES EVERYONE FREE" as they then procede to try to convert the ****ing prime minister...

Sorry to barge in when you guys are having an interesting argument going about christianity but i have some comments regarding the original post.

First...there is no question that the Dalits are still treated badly,especially in north india ...more specifically in the states of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh.The so division of Hindu society into various castes dates back to millenia and it is only since British colonialism and later after independence and formation of the modern Indian state did things start improving for this unforunate group of people.
The example quoted above ......regarding untouchability etc was widel prevalent a few decades ago but has been almost entirely wiped out from the southern states but continues to be prevalent ..albiet in a diluted state ...in some pockets of northern states.
Lately,various political parties have woken up to the fact that the Dalits are a huge vote bank and so they frame pro-dalit policies to woo them...often at the expense of opportunities for other Hindus.Nowadays there are regular street riots by upper class hindus clamouring for more opportunities in jobs,college education.The wheel has come full circle....almost!
The Church angle to all this is easily evident.Disillusioned Dalits are easy prey for conversion to Christianity,backed by financial incentives. Later they find they are outcasts...both from ordinary christians who look down on them, and Hindus who (without reason...for its their own fault) think they are deserters.
 
Yeaah, I think the bulk of this post has been dealt with.
So let's look at the quote you've provided.

-Those are the words of the prophet Jeremiah.
-Jeremiah is not Jesus.

-Therefore those are not the words of Jesus.

-Jeremiah is a prophet who contradicts the laws of god.
-Only false prophets contradict the law.

-Therefore Jeremiah is a false prophet.

See, once again people are worshipping Jeremiah and Paul instead of Jesus Christ.
Would that make them idolators (and thus punishable by death)?

The gospel of Matthew quotes Jeremiah, in chapter 2, verse 18.

Matthew also refers to Jeremiah in chapter 27: verses 6-10
"The chief priests picked up the coins and said, "It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money." So they decided to use the money to buy the potter's field as a burial place for foreigners. That is why it has been called the Field of blood to this day. Then what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled."

I don't believe Jeremiah was a false prophet. He prophecied about events that came true in Christ's lifetime. Indeed Jeremiah wasn't lying when he spoke of a new covenant. "In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you." Luke 22:20
 
The gospel of Matthew quotes Jeremiah, in chapter 2, verse 18.

Funny you should mention that, because the quote in Matthew is not in agreement with Jeremiah.
Matthew (2:17-18) quotes this verse, claiming that it was a prophecy of King Herod's alleged slaughter of the children in and around Bethlehem after the birth of Jesus. But this passage refers to the Babylonian captivity, as is clear by reading the next two verses (16 and 17), and, thus, has nothing to do with Herod's massacre.

Thus, we are left with two options:

1: Matthew 18 is inaccurate or incorrect.
or
2: Jeremiah's predictions were inaccurate or incorrect.

Since Aunt J'miah is apparently a false prophet, the facts point towards the latter.

He's said many other things equally suspect, like that:

-All nations of the earth will embrace Judaism. 3:17
-Babylon (AKA Iraq) will never again be inhabited. 50:39
-Zedekiah will die peacefully and be buried with his fathers. (He actually died a miserable death in another country). 52:10-11
etc.

I don't believe Jeremiah was a false prophet. He prophecied about events that came true in Christ's lifetime. Indeed Jeremiah wasn't lying when he spoke of a new covenant. "In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you." Luke 22:20

It doesn't matter what you believe. What matters are the facts.
Fact is that J'miah doesn't have precedence over the laws of god and jesus, now does he?

Nostradamus shows us the futility of applying interpretation to prophecies long after the fact.
Is this covenant the same as the 'real' one?
Even if you do accept the prophecies as true to the point that they seem incredible, magical powers are not indicative of true prophecy.
Remember:

'If a prophet arises among you offering some sign or wonder, and if he then tells you to follow other gods and worship them, do not listen to that prophet's words. Yahweh your God is testing you to find out if you love him with all your heart and soul. That prophet must be put to death. You must banish this evil from among you.'
Deut. 13:1-6


No matter how impressive he may be with his magic tricks, a prophet who contradicts the laws is invariably a false prophet.

Jeremiah is especially insidious for seemingly mixing truth with fiction at random to fool folks like you.
 
Hmmm, perhaps it would be worthwhile pondering.

Was Jesus a false prophet?
Was Jesus a jew?
Did Jesus burn in hell?
 
Answers:

-Most Probably.
-Yes.
-There is no hell.

Christians, however, are by definition people who believe Jesus is not a false prophet, and that you will go to hell if you don't please him.

Thus, you cannot be a christian and still treat jesus's teachings as though they are interpretable and mutable.
The very fabric of christianity tells us that quoting Jeremiah and Paul to overrule Jesus is horribly wrong.
 
a) Jesus microwaves burritoes.
b) Jesus, being Jesus, would make some sort of super-hot burrito.
c) Jesus, being Jesus, could obviously eat the super-hottest buritto in all of probability. Because he's Jesus.

Therefore no.
 
jesus is god made flesh ..that burrito would flash fry jesus in an instant
 
Jesus is god-made.

God does not exist.

Therefore Jesus does not exist.

Therfore Jesus di not make burritoes.

Therefore he did not eat it.
 
jesus did exist ..of that there is no doubt ..the sticking point is whether or not he's the son of god

personally I think he was a terrorist rabble rouser trying to overthrow glorious rome (and build weapons of localised destruction: WLD, like anthrax laden slingshot stones, and chicken pox covered pointy sticks )
 
It's not exactly common knowledge, but the christian god isn't actually omnipotent or omniscient.

He's simply strong and has good vision / psychic powers.

The burrito too hot to physically eat would likely be one which causes extreme injury or death. Jesus is presumably immortal in heaven, so clearly neither event is possible.
Thus, it is impossible for Jesus to microwave anything strong enough to injure or kill himself.
 
jesus did exist ..of that there is no doubt ..the sticking point is whether or not he's the son of god

personally I think he was a terrorist rabble rouser trying to overthrow glorious rome (and build weapons of localised destruction: WLD, like anthrax laden slingshot stones, and chicken pox covered pointy sticks )

Yes, I know. :p


I think he practiced medicine without a license..
 
The thought that Christianity promotes voilence is pure utter crap!

When the Jews were looking for the Messiah to come they thought he would be a warrior to help fight(which is voilence) against the romans & make the Isrielites free....But the Jews thought wrong, He was the opposite he was a different type of hero, He believed in forgiving others, he was against voilence, & he allowed himself to be crucified torchered, whipped, spitted on, & speared with out fight back.


He was humble, this thought about christianity being voilent is B.S.



It does NOT say in the bible if you don't believe in him you will die & will burn in hell....It says "If you believe in him You shall have life after death & shall be rewarded the greatest gift of all The kingdom of heaven"


But then again in this country there is a separationg between church & state.
 
"But the Jews thought wrong, He was the opposite he was a different type of hero, He believed in forgiving others, he was against voilence, & he allowed himself to be crucified torchered, whipped, spitted on, & speared with out fight back."

lol that sounds like a trailer to a movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1kqqMXWEFs
 
In a world where anger at religion is an everyday occurance ..one man dares ....
 
You're quite into movie trailers mode tonight, aren't you Stern? :E
 
in a world where Cptstern's motivations are constantly questioned ..one man dares .....




:E
 
In a world where anger at religion is an everyday occurance ..one man dares ....


Well Absinthe seems to yell alot, every time I see him he hells...

One time I said it was a little weird to stare at a nude female (such as Alyx) in Garry's Mod, he start going nutz.


I wonder if guys are angry at religion are you angry at Father Gregory? A Russian orthidox preist that uses a Winchester repeater rifle, is that a crazy believer?
 
Well Absinthe seems to yell alot, every time I see him he hells...

One time I said it was a little weird to stare at a nude female (such as Alyx) in Garry's Mod, he start going nutz.

I didn't go nuts. I mocked your absurd notion that a fictional character deserves dignity and respect, as well as your shared retardedness with Shift.

I make big, bolded posts directed at you for two reasons:

1.) I think you're stupid.

2.) I'm bored.
 
I didn't go nuts. I mocked your absurd notion that a fictional character deserves dignity and respect, as well as your shared retardedness with Shift.

I make big, bolded posts directed at you for two reasons:

1.) I think you're stupid.

2.) I'm bored.

In all fairness, his life does revolve around the worship of a fictional character. Perhaps that makes his notions easier to understand.

- repiV...building bridges...
 
I didn't go nuts. I mocked your absurd notion that a fictional character deserves dignity and respect, as well as your shared retardedness with Shift.

I make big, bolded posts directed at you for two reasons:

1.) I think you're stupid.

2.) I'm bored.



Well, I think how you act towards a fictional character reflects how you act in real life towards others. Like if you where to see a hot babe on a beach, in the mall, at school, or at the bar if you happen to see a really hot chick in those places would you take her back to your bedroom and rape her? :O



Same as taking Alyx to Garry's mod(your bedroom) & making sechs poses.


It reflects how you are in real life.
 
...

You are only further validating my opinion of you being a complete retard.
 
Well, I think how you act towards a fictional character reflects how you act in real life towards others. Like if you where to see a hot babe on a beach, in the mall, at school, or at the bar if you happen to see a really hot chick in those places would you take her back to your bedroom and rape her? :O



Same as taking Alyx to Garry's mod(your bedroom) & making sechs poses.


It reflects how you are in real life.

No it doesn't.
 
I thought after playing EP1 that Alyx deserves better respect than what she had during Half-Life 2 as she was far more fleshed out. Alyx showed emotions, fear & other things humans have.
 
I thought after playing EP1 that Alyx deserves better respect than what she had during Half-Life 2 as she was far more fleshed out. Alyx showed emotions, fear & other things humans have.

Alyx isn't real, and I'm beginning to wonder if you are.
 
I made sexposes of Barney and Dr. Kleiner... does that make me... you know?

;(
 
You rape the drunk and the elderly.

Ah that's not too bad I suppose, I was almost afraid I was a FULL BLOWN RAGING HOMOSEXUAL!!!

On another note: why does my cola taste like Red Bull? Seriously.
 
Well, I think how you act towards a fictional character reflects how you act in real life towards others.

Oh shit... do you have any idea how many fictional characters I've brutally killed and maimed without remorse?
 
like hell I'm typing out that retarded name. said:
Well, I think how you act towards a fictional character reflects how you act in real life towards others.

^ Obnoxiousname's support of religion is explained.

And retarded!
 
Obnoxiousname is still too long of a name, 'Numbers' is much shorter. Why not something like 'Tard'?
 
Trollers :O

you could just say kami or shorten it, you don't have to insult people.


EDIT: check out the kick ass avi :p.
 
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