Is this system any good to get?

Now both of you are very confused...

The mhz doesnt mean anything on that list. The 2500+ may be clocked at 1.8ghz, but its on the performance level of a 2.53 w/ 533FSB and comes close to a 2.4c P4 w/ 800FSB. The 2800+ is around the performance of a 2.6c. The 3000+ is still around a 2.6. And the 3200+ is about equal to a 2.8c.

Just because you would upgrade from a 1ghz machine to a 1.83 ghz machine doesnt mean anything. The difference between a 2500+ and say... a 1ghz athlon is HUUGE. There is no comparing between the two.

Do you see now, how the 3000+ and above is a waste? And how the ghz doesnt mean anything?
 
Originally posted by Sgt.Igneri
Now both of you are very confused...

The mhz doesnt mean anything on that list. The 2500+ may be clocked at 1.8ghz, but its on the performance level of a 2.53 w/ 533FSB and comes close to a 2.4c P4 w/ 800FSB. The 2800+ is around the performance of a 2.6c, maybe a 2.8. The 3000+ is still around a 2.8. And the 3200+ is also around the 2.8c.

Just because you would upgrade from a 1ghz machine to a 1.83 ghz machine doesnt mean anything. The difference between a 2500+ and say... a 1ghz athlon is HUUGE. There is no comparing between the two.

Do you see now, how the 3000+ and above is a waste? And how the ghz doesnt mean anything?
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Yep i know that, i just listed what mhz each of the cpus are. If your not an overclocker getting a better model will mean more performance, and if you've got the cash and want to spend it, why not get the more expensive one so that you get a bit more performance? the difference between a 2500+ and a 3000+ is substantial enough to be worth the extra it costs imho.
 
Originally posted by Sgt.Igneri
Now both of you are very confused...

The mhz doesnt mean anything on that list. The 2500+ may be clocked at 1.8ghz, but its on the performance level of a 2.53 w/ 533FSB and comes close to a 2.4c P4 w/ 800FSB. The 2800+ is around the performance of a 2.6c. The 3000+ is still around a 2.6. And the 3200+ is about equal to a 2.8c.

Just because you would upgrade from a 1ghz machine to a 1.83 ghz machine doesnt mean anything. The difference between a 2500+ and say... a 1ghz athlon is HUUGE. There is no comparing between the two.

Do you see now, how the 3000+ and above is a waste? And how the ghz doesnt mean anything?
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hmm your right, I am confused lol. I might know my software but hardware and I'm as green as they come I'm afraid.

I guess the deciding factor with the 3000+ is it comes with its own cooler, and since the others you recommended aren't available I'm probably safer getting the right one with it than getting one that isn't so good which I may have done. actually http://www.cclcomputers.biz/acatalog/ have a look through the coolers to see if there's another you'd recommend from those, if there's a decent one I might aswell go with a 2800+ and save myself a few quid extra. if the differences between the two cpu's are little to no difference. I certainly don't want to spend money if I don't need to and if neither are much different then I'm happy to go with a 2800.

So out of interest, if you _were_ to refer to the 2800+ in old terms that are familiar to the old Athlon thunderbirds, what would you call it (I know it wouldn't be accurate or anything) but would you say it was 2.5ghz, 3ghz things like that, I know its guesswork, its just easier for me to understand the general sort of speed I can expect, as I'm much more familiar with judging things in straight speed like that

so Maxi says a 2800+ is clocked at 2.08ghz. But from what you know, what would you say it behaves more like, in ghz. I understand any number you give would have to be pure guesswork with all the optimisations and improvements, I'm just interested, curious basically :)

Cheers

PS. and im a little less confused now, crash course cpu speed lessons are fun
 
They have the 2500+ and its retail. It comes with the heatsink and fan, as does all the CPU's there that arent OEM. Since the 2800+ is OEM, I guess I would get the TAK68 or the CBKII-58, they seem to be the best available from the selection.

I would say that the 2800+ is about equal to a P4 2.6 w/ 800FSB.

Skip the RAM. Its non-branded and is cheap. Try and get it from another place, and try and get corsair XMS, kingston HyperX, OCZ, crucial, or mushkin.
 
Originally posted by MaxiKana
If you have 3200 ram, it doesen't automatically run at ddr400 with that cpu, you have to change the FSB in the bios to get it to run at ddr400. It defaults to the FSB speed the cpu has. You won't get any performance increase if the memory and cpu FSB "matches". Take this from the guy who built 3 comps, watercooled and overclocked one of them.
I DO know what im talking about.
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So I would not know anything even though I work at a computer store where I build computers most of the day. You do get a performance increase if the CPU and RAM are insync.

Back on-topic:

The 2800+ equals a P4 2.6 w/ 800FSB only in games, but thats what you will be moslty using it for, so its the only thing that matter. The reason the AMD's can get away with the lower MHz is because, to put it non-technical terms, it gets more stuff done with each MHz. Say for an example the P4s get 1:1 , while the AMDs get 1:1.25 for each MHz (1MHz:Stuff done)
 
Originally posted by NJD2003
So I would not know anything even though I work at a computer store where I build computers most of the day. You do get a performance increase if the CPU and RAM are insync.

Back on-topic:

The 2800+ equals a P4 2.6 w/ 800FSB only in games, but thats what you will be moslty using it for, so its the only thing that matter. The reason the AMD's can get away with the lower MHz is because, to put it non-technical terms, it gets more stuff done with each MHz. Say for an example the P4s get 1:1 , while the AMDs get 1:1.25 for each MHz (1MHz:Stuff done)
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about this memory, would you recommend two 256 sticks or a single 512?
 
Originally posted by NJD2003
The 2800+ equals a P4 2.6 w/ 800FSB only in games
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Exactly
And only certain games.
Same with other applications.

Hate when ppl say this CPU = this CPU with no added comments.
It is application specific and more importantly...your applications.

e.g. Because there are times an Athlon XP 3000+ performs under a 3ghz P4.
Times when it performs the same.
And times when it performs above.
 
Originally posted by NJD2003
So I would not know anything even though I work at a computer store where I build computers most of the day. You do get a performance increase if the CPU and RAM are insync.
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Thats not what i ment... I ment that if you have pc 3200 ram running at 2700 speeds you get the same performance as when running with pc 2700 memory. Only differance is with pc3200 ram you can increase the FSB higher then with pc 2700 without changing the memory voltage.
 
Get the one 512 stick, two sticks won't make any diffence except for costing more and taking up another ram slot. Dual Channel on AMD CPU's only give 1-3% increase in performance, while in P4 CPU's it gives a considerable performance gain.
 
Actually it gives a substantial performance increase on AMD machines too.
 
Asus, thatd be why i noted that the performance was about the same as a 2.6c. I didnt just say "The 2800= a P4 2.6 right on the spot"

And go for the 2x256. Dual channel will yield more of a difference than that.
 
Originally posted by Sgt.Igneri
Asus, thatd be why i noted that the performance was about the same as a 2.6c. I didnt just say "The 2800= a P4 2.6 right on the spot"

And go for the 2x256. Dual channel will yield more of a difference than that.
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ok cool, i checked the price and its marginally cheaper too. I think I'm sorted then now, just need to check its this branded memory when I order it. I've never bothered with branded before and had no ill effects, but I'm gonna guess with faster systems it makes a lot of difference? like less stable on higher end systems if not branded?
 
It will make more problems for you. What about a different UK site? Use a different method to pay.

Is there any other shops around by you?
 
Originally posted by Sgt.Igneri
It will make more problems for you. What about a different UK site? Use a different method to pay.

Is there any other shops around by you?
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nope, pretty much CCL and PC World and thats it :( all the others are those shifty stores that pop up and dissapear again a month or so later. There was one of those at the top of the road, I wandered in once to see what they had, the guy took me for a fool and started claiming their machines were all 1.5gig athlons and such selling for £100, then I kinda pointed out my dad was mates with his boss and I knew full well they were old thrown out reconditioned machines from companies around the UK, the guy looked like Rev Kain from Poltergeist II, bit of trivia for you :D

Course there's stores like Currey's and Dixon's in town but I've found buying components from those can be even more hit or miss as they sell so many different kinds of electrical equipment there's no way the staff can know important info about everything

Other than that its just CCL and PC World. I checked PCW's site when you mentioned those cooler and PSU brands and they didn't even have those (surprising for them as they would normally have this stuff at twice the cost) haven't checked memory......... ok PCW have Corsair, but at £116 for two 256mb sticks.. thats a bit much compared to £45 for the same amount of memory from CCL ;(
 
Originally posted by NJD2003
Everyone hates me, I'm gonna go cry in a corner.
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lol i quoted you because I agree with you.
"only in games" comment was on the money. IMO
Goes along with "application specific".

Originally posted by coolio2man
9800se Stands for Suck Edition or i prefer Shit*y Edition
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Yep. Sorta sux it has the 9800 name on it.
Donno why there are so many versions of each model.
Should be a 9600 and a 9600 Pro and that is it. No 9600 SE.
 
Sgt.Igneri: got in touch with them, the brand of memory is samsung.
 
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