Italy issues arrest warrent for 22 CIA agents

[CptStern]

"An Italian court has issued European arrest warrants for 22 purported CIA operatives accused of kidnapping a radical imam in Milan, and expanded the dragnet for the suspects to 25 countries, a prosecutor said today.

The abduction is one of several controversial cases in which American intelligence agencies are suspected of using European soil and airspace to imprison or to transport terror suspects to third countries without judicial authorization. These so-called extraordinary renditions are one of the most controversial elements of the Bush administration's efforts to fight terrorism.

Italian prosecutors have been attempting to bring the American operatives to trial since June, when they first obtained arrest warrants for some of the suspects. Those warrants only covered Italy, however.

Lead prosecutor Armando Spataro said today that a court earlier this week issued the European arrest warrants, which means that the suspects can now be arrested in any of the European Union's 25 member states."



http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...ia_lat,0,7702425.story?coll=la-home-headlines

 

[gh0st]

oh no! italy wants our operatives! come get them.

 

[CptStern]

and they will ..it covers all of the EU. Funny how justice means nothing to you gh0st ...not that I expected anything different from you

 

[gh0st]

and they will ..it covers all of the EU. Funny how justice means nothing to you gh0st ...not that I expected anything different from you

kidnapping a radical imam is justice

 

[CptStern]

really? then why hasnt he been charged with anything? why did you send him to egypt to be tortured? If you had a strong enough case against why kidnap him?

I'm sure you wouldnt take too kindly if foreign spies kidnapped american citizens

 

[gh0st]

really? then why hasnt he been charged with anything? why did you send him to egypt to be tortured? If you had a strong enough case against why kidnap him?

I'm sure you wouldnt take too kindly if foreign spies kidnapped american citizens

you're right, i'm wrong, sorry. this is all a terrible mistake. ITS A BAD THING WE DID.

 

[CptStern]

be petulant if you must but these sort of things dont exactly endear you to the rest of the world. Sooner or later it'll come back to bite you in the ass ..the CIA call it "blowback" ..9/11 was blowback

 

[Bait]

Is there any realistic chance that these guys will see any time behind bars or will the US flex some testicle shrinking steroid induced muscles and free them?

 

[gh0st]

be petulant if you must but these sort of things dont exactly endear you to the rest of the world. Sooner or later it'll come back to bite you in the ass ..the CIA call it "blowback" ..9/11 was blowback

i was being serious youre absolutely right about it.

 

[Llama]

C'mon guys, its X-Mas, dont fight :cheers:

My bet is the US will get off scott free, just apply some pressure and the Europeans will bend over backwards to comply.

(The English will at least, what with Blair as Bush's lapdog )

 

[HunterSeeker]

This is a good thing, no one should be arrested without sufficient evidence against them.

 

[Kangy]

i was being serious youre absolutely right about it.

Gh0st admitting Stern is right?

IT'S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!

 

[the_lone_wolf]

IT'S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!

shouldn't you be wearing your sweater?

**waits to see if Kangy gets it**

:E

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

They will not be given to a foreign court.

 

[CptStern]

unless there's such an uproar that they have no choice ..or if they ever set foot on europrean soil

the public is waking up to the injustice of redition ..just a matter of time before governemtns say enough is enough and will step in to prevent the US from kidnapping their citizens

 

[Solaris]

Itd be cool if the CIA agents were shot.

That'd show em * shakes fist*

 

[CptStern]

I'd rather the people who gave the order be put on trial for conspiracy to commit kiddnapping

 

[JellyWorld]

If they have really commited a crime then arrest them, don't kidnap them.

 

[Flyingdebris]

what was this imam doing that the CIA saw fit to kidnap his ass?

 

[CptStern]

what was this imam doing that the CIA saw fit to kidnap his ass?

how does one crime justify the other?

 

[ríomhaire]

Break out the champaine! America is learning what the word justice means!

 

[Flyingdebris]

i'm curious. If the Imam was stirring up some people to go out and kill, then i can see why the CIA saw fit to kidnap him. If he was just a random dude who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, than yeah CIA deserves adequate punishment.

 

[Solaris]

i'm curious. If the Imam was stirring up some people to go out and kill, then i can see why the CIA saw fit to kidnap him. If he was just a random dude who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, than yeah CIA deserves adequate punishment.

So if America thinks what hes doing wrong they are aloud to break laws, ignore the law of the country they are in and pay to respect to where the USA ends and the sane world begins?

 

[CptStern]

i'm curious. If the Imam was stirring up some people to go out and kill, then i can see why the CIA saw fit to kidnap him.

under what authority? it wasnt their jurisdiction ..and since when is speaking in public a crime?

If he was just a random dude who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, than yeah CIA deserves adequate punishment.

regardless of wether or not the person is guilty the fact remains that they kidnapped a foreigner (not an american citizen) from foreign soil

 

[The Monkey]

I wish the Swedish government would show the same courage as the Italian.

 

[Razor]

under what authority? it wasnt their jurisdiction ..and since when is speaking in public a crime?




regardless of wether or not the person is guilty the fact remains that they kidnapped a foreigner (not an american citizen) from foreign soil

That would depend on the person, if they had concrete evidence that kidnapping him would avert or help to avert a terrorist attack, then so be it. But the Italian government should of been informed of such evidence and allowed to detain the person(s) themselves.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Itd be cool if the CIA agents were shot.

That'd show em * shakes fist*

It'd be cool if you'd just get on with blowing yourself up. These agents are still people, just like the guy they kidnapped. You're the king of double-standards and I hate you.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[15357]

under what authority? it wasnt their jurisdiction ..and since when is speaking in public a crime?

Its the CIA. The world is their jursidiction.

also, it depends on the country and the thing that you are speaking. Like if you say communism is cool here, you get arrested in accordance with the National Security Law.

 

[Razor]

Its the CIA. The world is their jursidiction.

also, it depends on the country and the thing that you are speaking. Like if you say communism is cool here, you get arrested in accordance with the National Security Law.

Then why is that any difference then what is happening over the border? Not that i disagree or agree with it, but why is it different?

 

[CptStern]

Its the CIA. The world is their jursidiction.

no, it is not

also, it depends on the country and the thing that you are speaking. Like if you say communism is cool here, you get arrested in accordance with the National Security Law.

nope, doesnt make a lick of difference because it was in italy

 

[CptStern]

That would depend on the person, if they had concrete evidence that kidnapping him would avert or help to avert a terrorist attack, then so be it.

how does one crime justify another?

But the Italian government should of been informed of such evidence and allowed to detain the person(s) themselves.

they had help from italian authorities but you miss the point ..had they legitimate charges they could have arrested him ..they didnt so they kidnapped him instead

 

[Flyingdebris]

I doubt the CIA would waste their time if they didn't think the guy posed a legitimate threat.

anyhow if they had help from the italians as you say, why are the agents in trouble?

Furthermore i think the reason behind the skirting the normal processes was to keep it hush hush. That didn't work out too well.

Now is it legal to go into other countries and kidnap small time leaders who spout a rhetoric of hate and violence that has a strong potential of indoctrinating more terrorists? No. But was it was necessary? Probably.

Besides, we got the KKK in the U.S. and i sure as hell woudn't mind if other countries' agents came in and kidnapped them. No shed tears and no lost sleep.

 

[Adrien C]

Ha, Id like to see the French DGSE kidnapping US Citizens. The US would surely shoot them if captured. It's time for Europe to united against this BS.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

how does one crime justify the other?

Common sense. Morality isn't run by regulations and borders.

 

[Top Secret]

how does one crime justify another?

The lesser of two evils Stern. You know that. Hold one in each hand. Terrorist attack... kindnapping....

 

[Razor]

how does one crime justify another?



they had help from italian authorities but you miss the point ..had they legitimate charges they could have arrested him ..they didnt so they kidnapped him instead

It would depend on the crime, would you commit a little crime to avert a big crime? Would you kidnap Hitler in the late 20's or even murder him if you knew what was to come?

 

[CptStern]

It would depend on the crime, would you commit a little crime to avert a big crime? Would you kidnap Hitler in the late 20's or even murder him if you knew what was to come?

if the queen had balls she'd be king ..."IF" is completely meaningless in a court of law ..they commited a crime they should do the time ..no "IF"'s, or "BUT"s ..justice llooks at facts nothing less

..IF they had just cause they would have arrested him....IF they had just cause they wouldnt have sent him to egypt to be tortured ..IF he was guilty he wouldnt be walking a free man today

 

[CptStern]

The lesser of two evils Stern. You know that. Hold one in each hand. Terrorist attack... kindnapping....

using that logic anyone can justify 9/11 ...means to an end

Common sense. Morality isn't run by regulations and borders.

since when does the law care about morality? facts, nothing more nothing less

you know perfectly well Rakurai had it been an american citizen you'd be screaming bloody murder ..to say otherwise is just a bold faced lie

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

you know perfectly well Rakurai had it been an american citizen you'd be screaming bloody murder ..to say otherwise is just a bold faced lie

Honestly, probably yeah. Because I don't trust anyone else.

 

[CptStern]

well at least you're an honest hypocrite