Italy to prosecute 13 CIA agents for kidnapping

[CptStern]

Italy Wants to Extradite 13 CIA Officials


"Italian prosecutors want to extradite 13 CIA officials accused of kidnapping a radical Muslim cleric and transporting him to Egypt where he reportedly was tortured, and they've asked Interpol to help track down the Americans"

"The Egyptian preacher was snatched in 2003, purportedly as part of the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" program in which terror suspects are transferred to third countries without court approval, subjecting them to possible ill treatment.

The order for the arrests in the transfer of the cleric — made public last Friday — was a rare public objection to the practice by a close American ally in its war on terrorism."


the shit is about to hit the proverbial fan ...kudos Italy for standing up for justice (even though officials may or may not have played a part in the kidnapping)



edit: oh goddammitsonofastinkingmofo wrong forum srry, mods please move this to politics

 

[rAdIOhEaD]

If the CIA agents violated international laws they should be prosecuted no matter how good their intencions were.

P.D Unless those CIA agents are hardcore gamers, I think this Thread should be moved to General Off-topic or politics.. :E

 

[CptStern]

well the CIA broke italian law by kidnapping one of it's citizens ..the US has no jurisdiction outside of it's borders

 

[Adidajs]

There's probably going to be some backdoor negotiating on this.

 

[rAdIOhEaD]

well the CIA broke italian law by kidnapping one of it's citizens ..the US has no jurisdiction outside of it's borders

Sometimes I`d wish the US Goverment knew that...

 

[CptStern]

yay! thx Danimal :thumbs:

 

[Glirk Dient]

Sounds like a whole lot of no good coming from the CIA here. I doubt anything will happen to the CIA officials and everyone will just say it never happened and anyone who witnessed anything will dissapear.

I am willing to bet these CIA officials are also not U.S. citizens so they aren't restricted to operating in U.S. territory nor are they punishable by U.S. law. Also the U.S. wouldn't be responsible for them in a case like this.

 

[Foxtrot]

Italy needs to shut the **** up, they won't be the ones dieing when the terrorists attack again, the US will be.

 

[CptStern]

Italy needs to shut the **** up, they won't be the ones dieing when the terrorists attack again, the US will be.

this is a sovereignity issue ..would you allow a foreign government to kidnap someone off the streets of New York?

 

[CptStern]

Sounds like a whole lot of no good coming from the CIA here. I doubt anything will happen to the CIA officials and everyone will just say it never happened and anyone who witnessed anything will dissapear.

I am willing to bet these CIA officials are also not U.S. citizens so they aren't restricted to operating in U.S. territory nor are they punishable by U.S. law. Also the U.S. wouldn't be responsible for them in a case like this.

no, read the article:

"Prosecutors have asked the help of Interpol in tracing the suspects, all identified as U.S. citizens"

 

[MjM]

I doubt the US government will give them up, and if they do get caught at some airport, they'll spend a few months in prison then be shipped back to the US. I bet.

Foxtrot: Nice to see your all for torture. Hell you might even make a terrorist your self someday.

 

[gh0st]

Italy: Give us these 13 CIA agents!
US: No.
Italy: Or ELSE!!!1
US: No.
Italy: ;(

A radical cleric was tortured. Am I supposed to shed tears? I'd thank Italy if they kidnapped some radical religious leader. If Italy wants them so bad, they can come here and take them. **** them up.

 

[jondy]

Italy needs to shut the **** up, they won't be the ones dieing when the terrorists attack again, the US will be.

Damn right Foxtrot. AMERICA! **** YEA!

or not.

LOL at gh0sts imaginary situation, even if I don't agree with it

 

[Raziaar]

I don't really give a damn about the CIA. THey're full of shady bastards.

Haven't you seen the hollywood movies!?

 

[X_i_Z_o_R]

Heh.. "radical Muslim cleric" is such a crude generic term. The US don't have the right to kidnap people outside their country simply because they've labelled them something that the public can relate to a terrorist.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Italy needs to shut the **** up, they won't be the ones dieing when the terrorists attack again, the US will be.

Oh no. The radical Italian clerics are attacking. Uhm, surely that should be an 'if the terrorists attack again?' "The terrorists", you say. What, you think there's only one organisation -united in their hate of all things American?

A radical cleric was tortured. Am I supposed to shed tears?

If you were kidnapped by Muslim extremists because you fit into their stereotype of what their enemy is...would I shed tears?

 

[MjM]

Its sad many of you are willing to drop to the level of the EVIL TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!!!!

Its all a load of bullshit that we'ev all bought into. Arnt we gullible sob's?

 

[CptStern]

I don't really give a damn about the CIA. THey're full of shady bastards.

Haven't you seen the hollywood movies!?

you've been watching too many movies ..it's not a collection of individual people running around with their own agendas ..they're operatives who follow orders ..orders given by people like this guy and this guy

 

[Foxtrot]

Oh no. The radical Italian clerics are attacking. Uhm, surely that should be an 'if the terrorists attack again?' "The terrorists", you say. What, you think there's only one organisation -united in their hate of all things American?

Ya, the last time the radical muslims attacked they hardly did any damage.

http://www.the-reelgillman.com/news/wtc.jpg

 

[Sulkdodds]

You're stereotyping all 'radical muslims' as being like those behind the 9/11 attacks.

You realise 'radical' can mean 'liberal and America-loving' as well? You could be a 'radical muslim' because you thought that Mohammad wore a pink top hat. That's radical.

I repeat my question: do you believe that all 'radical muslims' are co-operating to bring down America? What exactly does a random Italian cleric have to do with 9/11?

 

[The Mullinator]

heh rule number 1 about being a spy: Never get caught.
Every country has spies around the world all doing something that would violate the laws of the countries they are residing in.

The only surprise is that they happened to be caught.

 

[gh0st]

I repeat my question: do you believe that all 'radical muslims' are co-operating to bring down America? What exactly does a random Italian cleric have to do with 9/11?

Hmmm do I trust the CIA or Sulkdodds on a message board. Do you know what that random Italian cleric did? I dont, but I'm sure as hell inclined to trust my own government over one that endorses pasta.

 

[CptStern]

What exactly does a random Italian cleric have to do with 9/11?

what the hell are you doing? you're opening the door for him to use such tired slogans such as :

"you're either for us or against us" "the early bird gets the worm" "you cant make honey without bees" etc

 

[Sulkdodds]

Damnit, I walked right into that. Well there isn't anything for me to walk into yet, but you know what I mean.

 

[Foxtrot]

You're stereotyping all 'radical muslims' as being like those behind the 9/11 attacks.

You realise 'radical' can mean 'liberal and America-loving' as well? You could be a 'radical muslim' because you thought that Mohammad wore a pink top hat. That's radical.

I repeat my question: do you believe that all 'radical muslims' are co-operating to bring down America? What exactly does a random Italian cleric have to do with 9/11?

Obviously if the CIA kidnapped him because they thought he was apart of some organisation that threatened the US in some way.

 

[CptStern]

Hmmm do I trust the CIA or Sulkdodds on a message board. Do you know what that random Italian cleric did? I dont, but I'm sure as hell inclined to trust my own government over one that endorses pasta.

endores pasta ...the italian government endores pasta ....:upstare: that was pretty weak ...anyways answer me this: would you allow a foreign government to kidnap someone off the streets of Washington?

 

[gh0st]

endores pasta ...the italian government endores pasta ....:upstare: that was pretty weak ...anyways answer me this: would you allow a foreign government to kidnap someone off the streets of Washington?

I already answered this. If they can, they should be able to capture whatever radical religious leader off the streets of Washington they want to. Hell I'll pay them to do it. You know what else is weak?

Spoiler

YOUR FACE

owned.

 

[Sulkdodds]

I dont, but I'm sure as hell inclined to trust my own government over one that endorses pasta.

But they held a British Muslim (I forget his name) for two years on suspicion of terrorism just because the guy was in a Taliban prison in Afghanistan. He had been holidaying, then been arrested by the taliban, and then held without a trial or a reason by the US. And what about that Disneyland video? I'm not asking you to trust me, but I certainly don't trust the US government when making decisions about who is and who isn't a terrorist.

EDIT: Another question. What does Cpt Stern's face have to do with any of this?

 

[CptStern]

Obviously if the CIA kidnapped him because they thought he was apart of some organisation that threatened the US in some way.

what the hell is wrong with your reading comprehension skills? you too gh0st ..the US HAS NO AUTHORITY ON FOREIGN SOIL ...get that through your thick skulls ..this is an issue of sovereignity ...you'd be screaming bloody murder if france kidnapped Billy Graham

 

[Sulkdodds]

Stern's right. Whether the guy was or wasn't a terrorist doesn't matter when it's entirely out of the USA's jurisdiction in the first place.

 

[gh0st]

what the hell is wrong with your reading comprehension skills? you too gh0st ..the US HAS NO AUTHORITY ON FOREIGN SOIL ...get that through your thick skulls ..this is an issue of sovereignity ...you'd be screaming bloody murder if france kidnapped Billy Graham

No, I wouldnt. Yes, we do.

But they held a British Muslim (I forget his name) for two years on suspicion of terrorism just because the guy was in a Taliban prison in Afghanistan. He had been holidaying, then been arrested by the taliban, and then held without a trial or a reason by the US. And what about that Disneyland video? I'm not asking you to trust me, but I certainly don't trust the US government when making decisions about who is and who isn't a terrorist.

Uh... its not at all suspicious that a British muslim was vacationing in Afghanistan? Just saying there is probably a lot going on that you, I, cptstern, dont know about. I'm sure if Italy has the evidence to back up some kind of severe wrong doing we will help them out. Its unfair to blame the CIA because they are the CIA.

 

[CptStern]

I already answered this. If they can, they should be able to capture whatever radical religious leader off the streets of Washington they want to. Hell I'll pay them to do it. You know what else is weak?

Spoiler

YOUR FACE

owned.

why do I waste my time? you obviously have no knowledge or respect for the law. There's no forethought, no logic, no distinguishable and recognizable thought process apparent what so ever in any of the dialogues you bring to the table. Half the time I'm convinced you dont fully understand what's being debated

yes, it's a longwinded way of saying you arent worth the effort.

 

[gh0st]

why do I waste my time? you obviously have no knowledge or respect for the law. There's no forethought, no logic, no distinguishable and recognizable thought process apparent what so ever in any of the dialogues you bring to the table

yes, it's a longwinded way of saying you arent worth the effort.

ouch that hurts me. nat'l security trumps international law.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Just saying there is probably a lot going on that you, I, cptstern, dont know about.

Fair enough. But the CIA still didn't have the authorisation of the Italian authorities did they?

Also, I made a mistake: Having just dug the article out of the stack of old newspapers downstairs, it seems the British guy was vacationing in Pakistan, which was where his family were from orgininally, and when he heard about the US invasion he hired someone to drive him away from the border. Only the guy ended up driving himi straight into Afghanistan, where the Taliban arrested him. So it wasn't particularly suspicious.

EDIT: Surely only international security can trump international law?

And national security of who?

 

[CptStern]

ouch that hurts me. nat'l security trumps international law.

no it doesnt ...why do I have to explain such simple concepts to you? why are you debating something you dont understand? ...look up "sovereignity" then look up extradition law and after that take a few years worth of foreign relations courses and then get back to me

 

[Lemonking]

they could have asked the italian goverment nicely if they could hand him over for a few weeks.

 

[gh0st]

if there is an imminent danger, as the CIA seemed to have reasonable suspicion of, yes MY security trumps the extradition process which i'm sure you, in all your condescending, arrogant wisdom, understand that it takes forEVER to extradict somebody. sometimes you just have to act. you're right, its wrong in general to do so but surely there are times when you can act to protect yourself.

 

[Raziaar]

you've been watching too many movies ..it's not a collection of individual people running around with their own agendas ..they're operatives who follow orders ..orders given by people like this guy and this guy

lol. I was joking about the movie thing.

 

[jondy]

if there is an imminent danger, as the CIA seemed to have reasonable suspicion of, yes MY security trumps the extradition process which i'm sure you, in all your condescending, arrogant wisdom, understand that it takes forEVER to extradict somebody. sometimes you just have to act. you're right, its wrong in general to do so but surely there are times when you can act to protect yourself.

Read that through and rephrase it, I'm sure there's a valid point in there and I'm not taking the piss, but I don't know what you're saying

 

[Mith']

13 CIA agents, isn't that alot for one guy!? Would have thought those resources were better spent elsewhere..