It's September 1st...

Seems to be "in" to be a terrorist and have contacts to al qaeda.
 
That might seem like good news bud7miker but give it a couple years. You'll soon be wanting to go back school unless you win the lottery or have a VERY well payed job.
 
The War in Chechnya has always been brutal.

As I recall, most of Chechnya gets its arms from Iran and Iraq, and they're suppliers come from Sudan, Egypt, and the Northern-halfs of the Cremeria. Either way, whatever they're equiped with will fail them.

The Russians dont like terrorists. They dont like them in that, "special way."

They dont like them in that, "going to gas you asleep, then shoot you in the head once your out" kinda way. I like Russians.

I hope those kids are okay, but the Chechnyian extremists always execute to barter their position more important. I'd expect these Children are going to die, or the terrorists are going to have very short ends. Simply put, hope for the best, but expect the worst.

Interesting enough, a friend of mine was with the Russian Special Forces before coming to America. He trains Martial Arts now in Chicago, and he told me his units instructor encouraged attrition.

"an enemy in your territory cannot scream all the way to his own territories. Kill him, and without sympathy. For he will come back with ten more like him if he is allowed to live. Then with ten more, your to kill them aswell with no reguard."
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Either way, they're is no debate. The Terrorists are going to succeed in one form or the next. They've executed three of the Children and several of the Teachers. From this news I received after watching the CNN development, I can already tell whatever happens now, will be in Russian hands.

I know for a fact those terrorists are'nt going anywhere but six feet under, and I know the Russians. I love the Russians. None of the terrorists will live. None.
 
Meh, I've already been at school for a week and a half. All September 1st means for me is that the rent is due.
 
craig said:
Yeah, thats ****ed up. A countries politics might not be to everyones liking, but taking childen hostage is just plain wrong.
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The worst thing is that killing the hostages will do eff all to change Russia's standing point.
 
craig said:
Yeah, thats ****ed up. A countries politics might not be to everyones liking, but taking childen hostage is just plain wrong.
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You might ask the question what caused it instead...

They wanted freedom and self-rule.
Russia bombed them to dust.

What would you do?
 
I start collage on monday...which reminds me, I really should draw that picture :x
 
russia's opinion of the rebels
before this:- HATE HATE HATE
after this :- KILL KILL KILL
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
I start collage on monday...which reminds me, I really should draw that picture :x
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Don't you mean college? :p

(Or is it spelled differently in England, thus entirely ruining my jab and probably causing permanent emotional scarring and loss of all self esteem?;( )
 
Man that's bad :(

They're going to have go all Rainbow 6 on those terrorist asses and storm the building. Oh boy this will be brutal. :(
 
Neutrino said:
Don't you mean college? :p

(Or is it spelled differently in England, thus entirely ruining my jab and probably causing permanent emotional scarring and loss of all self esteem?;( )
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Yes it is spelt differently.....


...That is, if you happen to be the person who uses the alias FarrowLeSparrow

I always do that, my brain works in a funny way. I go througha strange thought process whereby I decide the wrong way is the right way because I know college is spelt with an e. However, the way it seems to be spelt must be wrong so therefore I use an a....


That probably didn't make much sense, but its hard to explain at the best times, let alone when you litterally didn't go to sleep last night.
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
let alone when you litterally didn't go to sleep last night.
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You too, huh?

I've found that being conscious tends to really interferes with being unconscious.

And now I think I've confused myself. Dang insomnia.
 
Yeah....On the plus side I did find out that Scrubs is on at 7:15 in the morning...Remarkable, since they stopped showing it at any other time due to the series finnishing.

But we digress....I need to sort out my sleeping pattern for college, and going out riding my bike at 4 in the morning doesn't help.

I find that, the knowladge of not being able to sleep, is torture....I can understand how keeping someone awake is so bad. Not just being tired, but knowing you can't sleep.(and obviously the insanity that comes with 2 weeks of conciousness)
 
Alig said:
That might seem like good news bud7miker but give it a couple years. You'll soon be wanting to go back school unless you win the lottery or have a VERY well payed job.
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I'm alright for the next couple of years cause the government are paying me £30 a week to go to college, considering i'm living for free that isn't bad :E
 
Hehe, I forced myself into my normal sleep pattern today and yesterday.

Although riding my bike at 4am sounds like cool.
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
Yeah....On the plus side I did find out that Scrubs is on at 7:15 in the morning...Remarkable, since they stopped showing it at any other time due to the series finnishing.

But we digress....I need to sort out my sleeping pattern for college, and going out riding my bike at 4 in the morning doesn't help.

I find that, the knowladge of not being able to sleep, is torture....I can understand how keeping someone awake is so bad. Not just being tired, but knowing you can't sleep.(and obviously the insanity that comes with 2 weeks of conciousness)
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That's kind of scary. At just around 4am this morning I went for a bike ride around campus. Spooky.
 
I wonder if the Russians will try and ignore the situation to see if it goes away? Or maybe they'll see what the UN wants to do about it huh...
 
Neutrino said:
That's kind of scary. At just around 4am this morning I went for a bike ride around campus. Spooky.
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heh, cool...I bet you didn't go up a hill like I did :D

Its not exactly steep...Just, very very long. Its so fun coming down again.
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
heh, cool...I bet you didn't go up a hill like I did :D

Its not exactly steep...Just, very very long. Its so fun coming down again.
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Well actually my campus is built on a rather large hill and I rode from my apartment to the top and then back down. Though it's not really all that long.
 
K e r b e r o s said:
I know for a fact those terrorists are'nt going anywhere but six feet under, and I know the Russians. I love the Russians. None of the terrorists will live. None.
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unfortunately the last time this happened in Russia, most of the hostages died as well
 
Move into residence on monday, classes won't start though until the week after.
 
The Mullinator said:
Move into residence on monday, classes won't start though until the week after.
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refresh my memory; you're going to Western University or Carleton?

a side note: I went to York university which was built in the 60's ..the main building features sniper nests (on the roof) extra wide roads with no obstructions (for tanks and troop movement). They built it shortly after the student massacres in Kent State, so I guess they were paranoid of student uprisings
 
MaxiKana said:
Seems to be "in" to be a terrorist and have contacts to al qaeda.
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"In" or "fabricated"? It's hard to know exactly what to believe.

The Chechen rebels can't ask for a complete withdrawl of Russian troops when they take hostages because they'll all end up dead; Putin doesn't f*ck about and they should know that. Taking children as hostages is definitely not the way to go - who's going to sympathise with you if you threaten to execute kids?

And I go back to uni at the end of the month! :) Loads more free time, but then I move into my own house! Exciting stuff.
 
CptStern said:
refresh my memory; you're going to Western University or Carleton?

a side note: I went to York university which was built in the 60's ..the main building features sniper nests (on the roof) extra wide roads with no obstructions (for tanks and troop movement). They built it shortly after the student massacres in Kent State, so I guess they were paranoid of student uprisings
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Going to Western.

Heh I never knew about York being built like that. Definately a waste of money but like you said I guess paranoia must have gotten a hold of them.
 
I go to school on friday for half a hour :p so I suppose im back to school on monday.
 
CptStern said:
unfortunately the last time this happened in Russia, most of the hostages died as well
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If it goes anything like it went in that theater, I don't have much hope for the hostages... :(
 
So tell me again, why everybody in the world calls them rebels? They are terrorists, not rebels. With same logic I can also call Al queda rebels, hey they are just rebelling against USA, it doesn’t make them terrorists, am I right?

Anyway, interesting topic, half of people talk about back to school and TV shows, another half talks about Chechnya “rebels”. Oh well, I am back to college tomorrow, can’t wait.
 
The Mullinator said:
Going to Western.

Heh I never knew about York being built like that. Definately a waste of money but like you said I guess paranoia must have gotten a hold of them.
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western is a great university :)

ya it was the late 60's and with all the student demonstrations and activism it's no wonder the government was a little concerned about the youth of the time ...I mean what could be worse than young people with social-political ideology? ;)
 
The difference is that the US hasn't effectivly conquered their nation, they changed the regime aftere winning. These rebels are rebelling against the Russian army which currently occupies the former nation of Checnyia.
 
Mr.Reak said:
So tell me again, why everybody in the world calls them rebels? They are terrorists, not rebels. With same logic I can also call Al queda rebels, hey they are just rebelling against USA, it doesn’t make them terrorists, am I right?

Anyway, interesting topic, half of people talk about back to school and TV shows, another half talks about Chechnya “rebels”. Oh well, I am back to college tomorrow, can’t wait.
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if the US was invaded and a resistance group was formed to fight the occupiers would you consider them rebels? To the occupiers they'd be terrorists not rebels ...see the distinction? it's all a matter of perception and media spin

disclaimer: I am in no way supporting any terrorist group
 
CptStern said:
if the US was invaded and a resistance group was formed to fight the occupiers would you consider them rebels? To the occupiers they'd be terrorists not rebels ...see the distinction? it's all a matter of perception and media spin

disclaimer: I am in no way supporting any terrorist group
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Terrorist labels are determined by tactics used... Out right targeting of civilians... Is terrorism... Killing innocent children and beheading reporters does nothing to defeat the established and legal government.... It does however terrorize the populace.
 
Well look at the IRAQ now, so should media call terrorists there rebels too? I think if they do, American moms and dads will go freaking nuts and start long speeches about how their sons fighting there and we don’t show any respect to them, or some other bull crap.

CptStern, I know it’s a point of perspective, but I just can’t bring myself calling them rebels at all. I am sorry, but they not rebelling, they are far beyond that, they just want to set their Muslim state of control in Chechnya, by blowing up airplanes and buildings in Russia.
 
Sgt_Shellback said:
Terrorist labels are determined by tactics used... Out right targeting of civilians... Is terrorism... Killing innocent children and beheading reporters does nothing to defeat the established and legal government.... It does however terrorize the populace.
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I'm sure the Russian army is equally guilty of scaring the shit out of the locals.
 
Mr.Reak said:
Well look at the IRAQ now, so should media call terrorists there rebels too? I think if they do, American moms and dads will go freaking nuts and start long speeches about how their sons fighting there and we don’t show any respect to them, or some other bull crap.

CptStern, I know it’s a point of perspective, but I just can’t bring myself calling them rebels at all. I am sorry, but they not rebelling, they are far beyond that, they just want to set their Muslim state of control in Chechnya, by blowing up airplanes and buildings in Russia.
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note my disclaimer, I am not supporting them

To the people who are loyal to their way of thinking, they are rebels or freedom fighters, to everyone else they are terrorists

honestly, I can see how defending your country could be construed as fighting for freedom, I just dont agree with their methodology. It's the same situation with Palestine: I truely believe they should fight for their land, I just dont agree with their methods ..as Sgt_Shelback pointed out: killing civilians does nothing for their cause


btw Sgt_Shelback I out rank you ...drop and give me 50! ;)
 
CptStern said:
note my disclaimer, I am not supporting them

To the people who are loyal to their way of thinking, they are rebels or freedom fighters, to everyone else they are terrorists

honestly, I can see how defending your country could be construed as fighting for freedom, I just dont agree with their methodology. It's the same situation with Palestine: I truely believe they should fight for their land, I just dont agree with their methods ..as Sgt_Shelback pointed out: killing civilians does nothing for their cause


btw Sgt_Shelback I out rank you ...drop and give me 50! ;)
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No, I didn’t disagree with you, I quite agree that everything is pretty much relative and depends on point of you. I am just talking about American media itself, they call them Chechnya rebels, while in Iraq people who use same tactics to kick USA out of country are called terrorists. That’s my point, which I find quite strange on media part, but then whatever.
 
Mr.Reak said:
Well look at the IRAQ now, so should media call terrorists there rebels too? I think if they do, American moms and dads will go freaking nuts and start long speeches about how their sons fighting there and we don’t show any respect to them, or some other bull crap.

CptStern, I know it’s a point of perspective, but I just can’t bring myself calling them rebels at all. I am sorry, but they not rebelling, they are far beyond that, they just want to set their Muslim state of control in Chechnya, by blowing up airplanes and buildings in Russia.
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In Iraq the media (AP Reuters etc.) is using the terms Insurgents and Terrorists, correctly I believe. Sadr's movement was an insurgency. The shiites grabbed for more power in the newly forming Govt. I don't know what deals were made but it seems like a compromise has been reached. We'll see how well he controls his army now.

The a$$-holes lopping heads off have no motivation other than to cause terror.


EDIT: Aye aye Sir! 20 is easy... (Note.. I was in the Navy for 12 years before going to the Army)
 
Sgt_Shellback said:
Terrorist labels are determined by tactics used... Out right targeting of civilians... Is terrorism... Killing innocent children and beheading reporters does nothing to defeat the established and legal government.... It does however terrorize the populace.
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And levelling cities to the ground with thousands of civilian casualties is friendly behaviour now? Russia dont exactly discriminate. Shooting refugees is of course a neccessity. They could be terrorists.
 
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