It's (still) stupid to crash CS:S

[Tarkin]

I don't even have a copy, I just read through the threads.
Crashing hacked version games is really stupid, it ruins the game for everybody, both legit and hacked users, and you are acting as the brainwashed servants of Valve. This is not about being a**holes towards other players - it is plain scary to see people's approval of this.

HL2 has a story that resembles 1984 and big brother.
Apparently, CS:S has a similar one aswell.

Remember that this game is produced and published by multinational corporations. Supporting them to the point of being HACKER POLICE is totally uncool. As citizens of the web, you should fight for your freedom to do whatever you want instead of limiting others'.

 

[Neutrino]

I don't even have a copy, I just read through the threads.
Crashing hacked version games is really stupid, it ruins the game for everybody, both legit and hacked users, and you are acting as the brainwashed servants of Valve. This is not about being a**holes towards other players - it is plain scary to see people's approval of this.

It ruins the game for everybody? No. It only ruins the game for those who warez it.

HL2 has a story that resembles 1984 and big brother.
Apparently, CS:S has a similar one aswell.

Remember that this game is produced and published by multinational corporations. Supporting them to the point of being HACKER POLICE is totally uncool. As citizens of the web, you should fight for your freedom to do whatever you want instead of limiting others'.

This is no different than any other form of anti piracy software ever made.

Give me a break.

 

[Tarkin]

It ruins the game for everybody? No. It only ruins the game for those who warez it.

It ruins the game for everybody because servers with 20 players go down to 3. This is ruining the game for everybody.

This is no different than any other form of anti piracy software ever made.

Give me a break.

There's a difference when you're busy enforcing anti-piracy instead of playing the game. We're all nerds, but this is being totally uncool.

 

[Alec_85]

I don't think this warrants a new thread:
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=45565
We're discussing this with passion over there
The only problem I see is that sometimes 90% of a team crashes while the other team still remains at nearly 100%. Serious disadvantage for a round or two. Nothing major really.

 

[Mr. Redundant]

you should have responded to this thread ( http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=45565 ) instead of creating a pointless one telling people who kick warezers that they are uncool.

Im not going to re-iterate ever damn point we are discussing in that thread (sorry) but feel free (if you indeed think people are uncool/care about the %n thing) to read through the thread and then comment.

just a quick point, servers that have gone from 32 down to 4 that I have played in, filled up in (the longest) 4 minutes.

think of it this way, you can't be an asshole for kicking a low-life that shouldn't be there in the first place.

who the hell are these people defending the warez players anyhow? I know they use warez themselves most likely.. but still how does anyone have the gall to tell me Im an asshole for kicking someone who is shouldnt even be there, they didnt fork out the $120 I did, so **** em. sorry I have no pitty for assholes. (and Im a really nice guy)

 

[Tarkin]

I'm sorry if I missed that, I thought it was yet another whine thread about warez users (I think the title suggested that). Please reffer to my point though, I don't have the game, eiter legit or hacked, never crashed, therefore I'm not after any of you personally.

 

[Neutrino]

First, it doesn't take servers from "20 down to 3". Most of the time it kicks 4 or 5 people at most. Though every once in a while you'll get like half a server.

If you don't like it don't do it. I'm not doing it to help Valve. They can take care of themselves. I just find it pretty damn funny. Brings a whole new entertainment value to CS.

 

[Mr. Redundant]

I'm sorry if I missed that, I thought it was yet another whine thread about warez users (I think the title suggested that). Please reffer to my point though, I don't have the game, eiter legit or hacked, never crashed, therefore I'm not after any of you personally.

that is cool, but then why do you care? (in fact if you didn't read that thread, and you dont play cs:S how do you even know about it?)

on principle, right is right and wrong is wrong.

I don't join random server just to boot them and then laugh my ass off.. that would be a lamer.. I boot people who are OBVIOUSLY children/people with the intelect of a child, who are spamming, hacking, walling, or being retarded.. its pretty obvious when someone with the name Emporio or mygo t-owns you- joins the game and starts messing about that it is time for a %n.

and Im not doing this for valve, if I were it would simply be easier to get their steamIds.

 

[Neutrino]

I don't join random server just to boot them and then laugh my ass off.. that would be a lamer..

I'm sorry, but I did that a couple times when I first heard of it. Perhaps I am lame, but I laughed. Oh well.


Tarkin, if it ruins the game for everyone why did everyone left in the server laugh and thank me when I did it?

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

I'm sorry if I missed that, I thought it was yet another whine thread about warez users (I think the title suggested that). Please reffer to my point though, I don't have the game, eiter legit or hacked, never crashed, therefore I'm not after any of you personally.

Then why do you care? You aren't dealing with them, we the CS:S owners are. I am frankly annoyed with the people using warez copies, cause they are all like 11-14 years old...THEY SHOULDN'T BE ON THE DAMN SERVER LET ALONE BE PLAYING THE GAME THEY DID NOT PAY FOR IT. So I will help out VALVe because of this.

 

[Quad]

So, tarkin, what your saying is that you are a theif, you steal, you support people who steal, and that you have no morals... right?. i have no problem with people wanting privacy and hating "big brother" but when you refer to a company trying to get people to Buy there software by making people who "steal' it unable to play, as a bad thing, then you truly have a skewed view of how the world works.

 

[Dedalus]

If you don't like it don't do it. I'm not doing it to help Valve. They can take care of themselves. I just find it pretty damn funny. Brings a whole new entertainment value to CS.

yeah, that's pretty much the only reason i've started playing CSS again so much fun to annoy the hackers for once. and from my experience, people who haven't warezed it and get left on the server thoroughly enjoy it!

fun fun fun! :E

 

[Tarkin]

So, tarkin, what your saying is that you are a theif, you steal, you support people who steal, and that you have no morals... right?. i have no problem with people wanting privacy and hating "big brother" but when you refer to a company trying to get people to Buy there software by making people who "steal' it unable to play, as a bad thing, then you truly have a skewed view of how the world works.

No, I never said this. This is like the claim that anti-war protestors support terrorism.

What I did say is that is uncool to crash people's games. The fact that I'm not into ruining the game for pirate versions and legit players who happen to be on those servers, doesn't mean I support piracy.

Maybe I just work by a different set of morals - none of which is either "I think it's fun crashing people's games LOL" (which is better than) "this is illegal and not right so I'm going to be super christian and crash you"

At least the first argument isn't as self-rightous as the latter one.

 

[Neutrino]

No, I never said this. This is like the claim that anti-war protestors support terrorism.

What I did say is that is uncool to crash people's games. The fact that I'm not into ruining the game for pirate versions and legit players who happen to be on those servers, doesn't mean I support piracy.

If it was actually hurting legit players I might agree with you somewhat. But this argument isn't holding much water when those legit players don't seem to mind at all.

 

[Tarkin]

I am not surprised you cut off the last part of my message in the quote tag, Neutrino.

 

[Mr. Redundant]

No, I never said this. This is like the claim that anti-war protestors support terrorism.

right, so people people protesting against an act that has dire consequences (death, loss, risk) is in the same vein as someone standing up for the rights of the warez player.
okies.

What I did say is that is uncool to crash people's games. The fact that I'm not into ruining the game for pirate versions and legit players who happen to be on those servers, doesn't mean I support piracy.

it means you support their right to play, because obviously legit people crashing thieves does not agree with you.

Maybe I just work by a different set of morals - none of which is either "I think it's fun crashing people's games LOL" (which is better than) "this is illegal and not right so I'm going to be super christian and crash you"

yes exactly because only Christians are good people, who have a handle on what is wrong, and what is right.

your assumption that people are crashing the WAREZ USERS simply for joy is incorrect, please refer to my prior posts to get a better understanding why I and others like me would do it.

At least the first argument isn't as self-rightous as the latter one.

yes because it is always better to be an asshole than it is to be self-righteous.

I am not surprised you cut off the last part of my message in the quote tag, Neutrino.

he highlighted "Legit Players" because that is what he was responding to.

how the hell do you have the balls to talk about being self-rightous?

look at the topic of the thread, and your whole arguement... you are telling people they are wrong (according to you) to kick illegal players from the server, because it ruins their game.

I seriously say, screw that.. they shouldn't be there in the first place, end of story.

 

[Neutrino]

I am not surprised you cut off the last part of my message in the quote tag, Neutrino.

Huh? I didn't quote it because it didn't have anything to do with the point I was making. Heh, your a bit self-rightous sounding yourself there. But if you want me to address fine.

Maybe I just work by a different set of morals - none of which is either "I think it's fun crashing people's games LOL" (which is better than) "this is illegal and not right so I'm going to be super christian and crash you"

At least the first argument isn't as self-rightous as the latter one.

Ok, that's nice. I disagree.

Happy now?

 

[Gunner]

Crashing hacked version games is really stupid

Oh my gosh I better stop now, just today I was thinking to myself what would Tarkin say about all this? would he approve? I didn't know I'm so sorry, I'll stop right now. :O

 

[Tarkin]

right, so people people protesting against an act that has dire consequences (death, loss, risk) is in the same vein as someone standing up for the rights of the warez player.
okies.

No. I'm suggesting that the claim that "If you're not with us, you're against us" risen by Quad is incorrect.

This actually has nothing to do with what you said. Please read more carefully.

it means you support their right to play, because obviously legit people crashing thieves does not agree with you.

No, I think it is stupid to crash their games. Would you please reffer to what I actually wrote instead of making stuff up?

yes exactly because only Christians are good people, who have a handle on what is wrong, and what is right.

Since you got into it, I think this statement is supremacist to the point that it really worries me. I'm not a christian, I wasn't born christian, does this make a christian essentially better than me? I truly hope you don't think it does.

your assumption that people are crashing the WAREZ USERS simply for joy is incorrect, please refer to my prior posts to get a better understanding why I and others like me would do it.

I read it. This is being a hypocrit. I bet you were whining about the crash before the fix and hated whoever did it. You are doing the same now, wake up and smell the ass, hole.

yes because it is always better to be an asshole than it is to be self-righteous.

Those two statements reffer to people who crash games. They both mean 'asshole' anyways.

 

[Letters]

Haha, Tarkin... you just feel like arguing the most ridiculous thing possible when you woke up this morning? It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad!

 

[Neutrino]

I read it. This is being a hypocrit. I bet you were whining about the crash before the fix and hated whoever did it. You are doing the same now, wake up and smell the ass, hole.

That is one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard. You cannot compare the two occurances because he paid for the game. These people that are being affect now did not.

He paid money and thus has a right to play the game. These people did not and thus don't.

There is no comparison.

Those two statements reffer to people who crash games. They both mean 'asshole' anyways.

No one is crashing games here. The server continues like always and anyone who paid legally for the game keeps playing. There were a few small points you had earlier that I could understand, but now you're just getting silly.

 

[Tarkin]

I don't think it's ridiculous, but what do I know, I like posting ridiculous stuff. and I live in Israel, so it's evening around here

You know what's sad, metrocop? you couldn't have gotten there unless you posted at least a thousand messages more stupid than mine.

So there you have it, ridiculous brother.

 

[Tarkin]

He paid money and thus has a right to play the game. These people did not and thus don't.

Leave that to the gods and valve. Being a cop and %n crashing people's ILLEGAL COPIES of games still isn't cool. it's lame. Play the game, feel lucky that you have it.

I don't have the game, I didn't download it even though I could get the hacked version, and I'm eagerly waiting to buy the retail when it hits the stores.

I think that when I'll play HL2/CS:S I'll be shooting barrels and make a 'boompah!' sound whenever they fall so realistically. I can't see myself changing my name to %n to get back at people who downloaded hacked versions. That'll be stupid.

 

[Gray Fox]

Well all you people are right and tarkin is wrong, Well you would be atleast right if it wasn't for the fact that 90% of you have 5 times you're computer worth of illegal software on you're comp( photoshop,3dsmax, downloaded songs.....). I can understand you feel cheated when you paid legally and other script kiddies are playing the css cracked, but keep this in the back of you're minds when you say you are cheated. The rest of you're reasoning Tarkin makes no sense.

I mean crashing warzing players is so incredibly funny, I mean I use the warezed version( only because I have no creditcard, but I'll buy it as soon as it's retail.) and I can definatly see the humor in that, especially if you crash one of those 13/14 year old cheating, thinkin that they can own anybody. Damn only those kiddies are going to be pissed of, people like me who have passed their puberty will see the humor in it. I and my friends laughed our asses of when we read this here on these forums. Unfortunatly i haven't had the chance to experience this as my version does not allow me to play on non-cracked servers, but any of you here legit players feel free to come and crash, so we all can have a laugh.

 

[Mr. Redundant]

oh shit son, someone can't smell sarcasm.
I guess next time I should paint what I say in the /s tags.

regardless after going through and answering you, it becomes abundandtly clear you are merely trolling now.

you generalize the christian religion as being self righteous in one comment, then tell me I am being supremacist for doing the same back (sarcastically I might add)
why you even felt the need to bring christianity into the conversation is beyond me, it would be the same if I said
"Im not flying planes into the two towers like the American hating Muslims" (that is a very crude and incorrect statement, I do not think or believe that, however I wanted you to understand that because it doesn't insult YOU does not mean it won't insult someone else)


POINT FOR POINT:
generalizing anything, be that RACE, CREED, or RELIGION is wrong, and supremacist.

first of all, you create a thread merely to tell people that crashing people who DID NOT PAY FOR THE GAME, AND HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE PLAYING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, are being assholes.
you are not in the same situation, you dont own the game and you don't have the warez version either (by your own admission)
how you know about the bug if you didnt read the other thread? dunno.
why you care about something that does not affect you? dunno

why you felt the need to tell people that what they are doing wrong regardless of how it affects anyone (especially yourself) is the very definition of being self-righteous.

the act of going into a server merely to crash people (to me) is silly, but when people are making the game less enjoyable for me, when they shouldnt even exist, they deserve to be booted.


do you play video games ?
if so imagine your fave game you are playing.. there is someone obviously hacking/exploiting and ruining your fun, you had the option to get rid of them, and make the game more enjoyable for all (by their own admission).. you are saying that you would be an asshole to press that button?

PLEASE.

this conversation is over. you simply have no ground to stand on.

Well all you people are right and tarkin is wrong, Well you would be atleast right if it wasn't for the fact that 90% of you have 5 times you're computer worth of illegal software on you're comp( photoshop,3dsmax, downloaded songs.....)

HL2 and CS:S need no "free advertizing" that is complete and utter bullshit (you just being on these boards is proof enough of that) you can rationalize it anyway you want, it is still illegal.

**Playing CS:S is a privilege that you pay for, NOT A RIGHT.
if you cannot afford it, can't get access to it, whatever, DOES not mean suddenly its ok to pirate it.
I lived in South Africa (a third world country) for 17 years of my life, we didn't get anything until like 5-8 months (sometimes a year) after America did, know what we had to do? WAIT.

**Two wrongs do not make a right.
Simply because you are using Warez software does not mean EVERYONE is, I Pay for all my hardware, all my games, and yes all my damn software (ever heard of student packages?)
although I am no angel, I have downloaded things in the past, music etc.. But I knew it was wrong (as you do in your heart) even back then (which is why I buy all my stuff now)


@Rossel: I have neither a debit nor a credit card.
yet I paid for and own two copies of the silver package via steam.

I made a plan to get my copies.. I made damn well sure I was ready with my cash and credit cardS on hand.

 

[Alec_85]

I bet Tarkin would change his mind if he got to experience both sides of the story first-hand :E I for one find it hilarious

 

[Tarkin]

OMG

[/SARCASM]

 

[Tarkin]

This has been hilarious, btw.
Mr Redundant, that 'this conversation is over' makes me real hot, I love men who are so sure of themselves. Hard as diamond, crack at the touch of a feather.

You can't win an argument by calling yourself the winner.
It is over, though, since it looks like your huge balls just got too big for your pants, and I don't want them to explode all over this website, it could get messy.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Can the flames or there will be trouble

 

[ascii]

Hey you know what? You don't like the game crashing? Then buy it.

I think every multiplayer game should have this "feature" the ability for paying customers to kick non-paying customers. In fact, they should use it as the demo. Look, here's CS:S - absolutely free. You can use it at the full version flavore for 5 days, after which you can't create a server and you are vulnerable to being kicked by paying customers at any point during any game, with any frequency.

Don't like it? Buy the game. End of story.

 

[Mr. Redundant]

This has been hilarious, btw.
Mr Redundant, that 'this conversation is over' makes me real hot, I love men who are so sure of themselves. Hard as diamond, crack at the touch of a feather.

You can't win an argument by calling yourself the winner.
It is over, though, since it looks like your huge balls just got too big for your pants, and I don't want them to explode all over this website, it could get messy.

it saddens me to see that instead of attacking the issue (as I have), you have instead decided to attack me.

this often happens when someone has nothing left to say.
and my resolution that you obviously have no ground to stand on (in this conversation) and that because of that fact, the conversation was indeed over is true, evident simply by your choice to comment on me, instead of to my reply to you.

please do not worry yourself over the size of my balls.

 

[Tarkin]

woo out of context extravaganza. So did anyone watch CNN today? I heard they got that guy that made a lot of bombs

 

[Mr. Redundant]

I had no interest in winning an internet arguement, I sincerely wanted to hear where you were going to go with this.

since this seems to be the end of it, this thread serves no further purpous. (not that it ever really did)