Kerry being beaten like a gong.

[Foxtrot]

Bush is exactly the sort of person the terrorists want running America. If he wins, the terrorists win.

and imo it really looks like he will.


:frown:

Want to explain that a little more? I think if I was a terrorist I would rather have Kerry in office.

 

[Kangy]

No, from a smart terrorist POV, I'd say Kerry would be better.

Why?

Because he has international respect, unlike Bush.

 

[oldagerocker]

I ****ing love how people that don't even live here want to tell us how they know more about this country then we do :upstare:. News flash, you don't know shit. Sorry to be flaming but people like these piss me off.

To be fair, we do get a much less biased news programming in Britain (aslong as you dont count the BBC ). The TV is still full of stereotypical americans, mostly the fanatical happy-clappy christians who'd vote Bush and when Americans are presented fairly, it isn't in a political argument, it's more about sports or business news.

Although it seems a large majority of Americans are very religious, especially in certain parts of America and Bush appeals to these people.

Kerry hasn't had a strong enough case for president, very much like the previous leader of the Conservative party over here, he had some ok ideas and really could have challenged Blair but he didnt, because he isn't a strong enough person and isn't charismatic enough.

Bush seems to have allot of business behind him, he has all the money and the media just seem to go his way the whole time over there. Kerry doesn't seem to get a look in.


Edit : Bush has a stong stance on terrorism, mostly being : "Blow them up to hell".. which just breeds more terrorism and hate towards america getting there fingers (and apache helicopters) into everyones pies. Fine it kills the terrorists but it doesnt solve the cause of the problem.

Kerry on the over hand seems to be less aggresive, a much more civil approach, having been to war himself he should know how awful it is. I dont know how he'd deal with the terror threat, and nobody really knows how to deal with it, but surely anything would be better than just retaliating and keeping it going... jsut look at Isreal and Palistine... it just carries on and on and on.

The terrorism in Ireland stopped through political process and faith in democracy and discussion... maybe they should learn from that.

 

[blahblahblah]

To be fair, we do get a much less biased news programming in Britain (aslong as you dont count the BBC ). The TV is still full of stereotypical americans, mostly the fanatical happy-clappy christians who'd vote Bush and when Americans are presented fairly, it isn't in a political argument, it's more about sports or business news.

Although it seems a large majority of Americans are very religious, especially in certain parts of America and Bush appeals to these people.

Kerry hasn't had a strong enough case for president, very much like the previous leader of the Conservative party over here, he had some ok ideas and really could have challenged Blair but he didnt, because he isn't a strong enough person and isn't charismatic enough.

Bush seems to have allot of business behind him, he has all the money and the media just seem to go his way the whole time over there. Kerry doesn't seem to get a look in.

Not less biased, I will say a different slant on things. Which is a good thing if you take everything in to perspective equally.

For the record, I fall under the category of "fanatical happy-clappy christians" and there is no guarantee that Bush will get my vote just yet. However, Kerry isn't doing anything to impress me.

As for campaign financing, take a look at the numbers. Bush gets business money, but takes no money from the government. Kerry is the opposite. Also note the disclosure percents. I find that very interesting. Be sure to click on "How to read this chart/methodology" to fully understand it.

John Kerry
George Bush

[Edit]:

Bush has a stong stance on terrorism, mostly being : "Blow them up to hell".. which just breeds more terrorism and hate towards america getting there fingers (and apache helicopters) into everyones pies. Fine it kills the terrorists but it doesnt solve the cause of the problem.

How do you solve the terrorist situation? I don't think you can to be honest. You do nothing, they still attack you. You attack them, they attack you back. You try to compromise, they still attack you. I'm not willing to change completely to their idealogies so terrorists will always be at odds with the US.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Not less biased, I will say a different slant on things. Which is a good thing if you take everything in to perspective equally.

For the record, I fall under the category of "fanatical happy-clappy christians" and there is no guarantee that Bush will get my vote just yet. However, Kerry isn't doing anything to impress me.

As for campaign financing, take a look at the numbers. Bush gets business money, but takes no money from the government. Kerry is the opposite. Also note the disclosure percents. I find that very interesting. Be sure to click on "How to read this chart/methodology" to fully understand it.

John Kerry
George Bush

Something that ticks me off about Kerry is his promise to raise taxes... His home state is one of the few that allows the rich to pay a higher tax rate (Higher than required by law) if they choose to... Guess what the ketchup kings choice has been each time....

Evidently his desire for higher taxes doesn't include himself

 

[CptStern]

The only reason I said it was because of what Stern said, he said somthing dumb so he gets a dumb response.

please explain why it's dumb, use facts to back yourself up ...or dont waste my time

 

[Foxtrot]

please explain why it's dumb, use facts to back yourself up ...or dont waste my time

How does the world lose if Bush wins? Don't waste my time by not being more specific.

 

[CptStern]

did you just get here? what have I been going on and on about for the last 3 months? I shouldnt have to quantify that statement, it's self-evident

 

[blahblahblah]

did you just get here? what have I been going on and on about for the last 3 months? I shouldnt have to quantify that statement, it's self-evident

I'm sorry, it is not self-evident to me. You should know better than to state an opinion (as much as you believe in it) as fact. And shame on foxtrot for starting this again.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

did you just get here? what have I been going on and on about for the last 3 months? I shouldnt have to quantify that statement, it's self-evident

I don't know... It's just been Blahblahblah... Wait a minute?!? LOL

 

[Foxtrot]

I'm sorry, it is not self-evident to me. You should know better than to state an opinion (as much as you believe in it) as fact. And shame on foxtrot for starting this again.

Starting what again?

 

[CptStern]

I don't know... It's just been Blahblahblah... Wait a minute?!? LOL

who's fault is that? stop sticking your fingers in your ears you might learn something :E

 

[Dalamari]

I'm sorry, it is not self-evident to me. You should know better than to state an opinion (as much as you believe in it) as fact. And shame on foxtrot for starting this again.

Holy sh*t you make no sense, just admit you got beat like a pedophile on his first day and prison.

 

[CptStern]

I'm sorry, it is not self-evident to me. You should know better than to state an opinion (as much as you believe in it) as fact. And shame on foxtrot for starting this again.

no it is a fact, Gore had no plans to invade Iraq, Bush did

 

[oldagerocker]

Both of these guys are part of that dodgy sounding secret society from university, i cant remember the name of the group.. but does anyone see anything dodgy in this?

 

[blahblahblah]

Starting what again?

Just look around for political threads. You can find numerous expert opinions from such writers as me (blahblahblah), CptStern, Neutrino, Mechagodzilla, Darkstar, SenfieldRules, Sgt_Shellback, and others.

Most of this stuff has been discussed repeatedly. If you notice, me and CptStern don't go head to head anymore since I can predict his response before he starts to contemplate his reply. He can do the same to me.

 

[KidRock]

go Bush!

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Every Administration since the end of WWII has kept plans to do battle with it's potential enemies... NK, Soviet Union, Iran, Iraq... Planning seems like a prudent thing to do sense defense is the primary task of the Federal Govt.

By saying Gore had no plan you are saying he wasn't qualified for the job... Americans agreed with you. :wink:

 

[CptStern]

Just look around for political threads. You can find numerous expert opinions from such writers as me (blahblahblah), CptStern, Neutrino, Mechagodzilla, Darkstar, SenfieldRules, Sgt_Shellback, and others.

Most of this stuff has been discussed repeatedly. If you notice, me and CptStern don't go head to head anymore since I can predict his response before he starts to contemplate his reply. He can do the same to me.

humphf! that only works in religious debates :E

wait, wait, ....I'm getting something ..........you're thinking:

"GW Bush is teh sexy" or it could be ..."GW Bush is teh devil"

not sure cuz I'm standing near some lead shielding and you're not coming in clear

 

[blahblahblah]

Holy sh*t you make no sense, just admit you got beat like a pedophile on his first day and prison.

You make such a convincing argument.

no it is a fact, Gore had no plans to invade Iraq, Bush did

The US government and most competent business use "Contingency Plans." A contingency plan is a a plan that defines a specific response to a specific situation, such as emergencies, setbacks, or unexpected conditions.

I honestly expect Bush has a contingency plan for most countries in the world. Kerry will do the same. Not planning for the unexpected is irresponsible.

"GW Bush is teh sexy" or it could be ..."GW Bush is teh devil"

Instead of GW Bush, think Bush twins.

 

[oldagerocker]

Every Administration since the end of WWII has kept plans to do battle with it's enemies... NK, Soviet Union, Iran, Iraq... Planning seems like a prudent thing to do sense defense is the primary task of the Federal Govt.

By saying Gore had no plan you are saying he wasn't qualified for the job... Americans agreed with you. :wink:

yeah but the US didnt plan to control Iraq too well after the huge success of the planned war. They need twice the amount of troops that they have in there even to begin to get the country under control.

 

[CptStern]

By saying Gore had no plan you are saying he wasn't qualified for the job... Americans agreed with you. :wink:

and GW is? he's a hypocrite. Who said: "if you harbour terrorists we will come after you" (paraphrase)

...who's harbouring terrorists? could it be the US? who pardoned a wanted terrorist? Bush Sr. Orlando Bosch wanted terrorist is a free man living in the US after being pardoned by Jeb and G Bush. Care to explain why?

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

yeah but the US didnt plan to control Iraq too well after the huge success of the planned war. They need twice the amount of troops that they have in there even to begin to get the country under control.

I agree on the first sentance but not on your second. I don't think we need more troops we just need to fight differently.

 

[Foxtrot]

Just look around for political threads. You can find numerous expert opinions from such writers as me (blahblahblah), CptStern, Neutrino, Mechagodzilla, Darkstar, SenfieldRules, Sgt_Shellback, and others.

Most of this stuff has been discussed repeatedly. If you notice, me and CptStern don't go head to head anymore since I can predict his response before he starts to contemplate his reply. He can do the same to me.

Ah, I have been trying to ignore most of the political threads recently, as they are all the same...so good point.

 

[seinfeldrules]

There is no 11 point lead, it is a "polling myth" if you will. It is still a 3-5 point race with Bush in the lead at the moment.