LA Cop kicks prone suspect in head video

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8049689.stm

A police car chase through a suburb in Los Angeles ended with a policeman apparently kicking a suspect in the head as he lay face down on the ground.

Video footage, captured by TV news helicopters, shows the officer striking the man in a garden as he lay face down on the grass with his arms outstretched
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hey it's LA, they're just going by the official rulebooks and everybody knows that was written around the time of the riots.
 
He, uh, kicked him right in the shoulder there.
 
I havent seen the video. I'm just going by what the article says
 
it's not up to the cop to make a judgement call as to whether he deserved it or not. anyways, excessive force is excessive force. He was subdued. regardless if the perp just ate a baby the police officer used excessive force. really what does a kick in the head do except make the perp and all those watching him mistrust the police force
 
Gunner said:
I guess that makes it alright.

EDIT: after watching the video, I don't blame the cop.
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Are you serious? The guy lays down on the floor with his hands where the police can see them, and evidently the adrenalin gets the better of the officer and he kicks in him in the head / shoulder for no good reason. That is excessive force and really unnecessary in that situation. I don't care what they guy did before, he had surrendered and there wasn't any need for that.

It's a shame people with the same attitude as you apply to go in the force and make the grade. And what a mighty high one it is...
 
CptStern said:
really what does a kick in the head do except make the perp and all those watching him mistrust the police force
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Made me smirk. That might just be due to the cop being a bit tubby, or at least looking it.
 
the guy deserved it, what if he hit that car at the end and a baby died. put yourself in the officers shoes. there was no need for this guy to be driving down the wrong side of the road. he could have killed someone and honestly i see nothing wrong with what the police officer did. same thing with spanking children. i see much better results from children who are spanked than all the children on ridelin and drugs for 'acting out in class' and being hyperactive. if it doesn't leave a mark its not abuse and its all about control
 
Warped said:
the guy deserved it, what if he hit that car at the end and a baby died.
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what if the police officer kicked him in the head but the police officer didnt know he was a suicide bomber with a nuclear detonation device embed in his forehead? BLAM there goes most of california in an instant cloud of incinerating goodness! OMG THE FREAKIN HORROR!!! if only the cop hadntkicked him in the head all those people wouldnt be faint outlines on a wall

speculative scenarios are spculative


Warped said:
put yourself in the officers shoes. there was no need for this guy to be driving down the wrong side of the road. he could have killed someone and honestly i see nothing wrong with what the police officer did.
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it doesnt matter what you think. the law doesnt take your opinion in mind when deciding these cases. whether you think it's justified doesnt matter one biut because it's still EXCESSIVE force. the person is subdued with his arms outstretched NOT posing a risk of fluight. police are not allowed to kick perps heads just because they "felt they deserved it" ..their job is not to mete out punishment but to uphold the law. the law clearly says police are not allowed to use excessive force. it's up to a court to decide whether he crossed that line. and since police are already investigating the police officer it's pretty much a given that what he did was wrong

http://www.federaljack.com/2009/05/...er-officer-kicks-suspect-in-head-after-chase/

Warped said:
same thing with spanking children. i see much better results from children who are spanked than all the children on ridelin and drugs for 'acting out in class' and being hyperactive. if it doesn't leave a mark its not abuse and its all about control
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ok I'm really going to lay into you for this. please provide sources and your research notes proving spanking is more effective than children rasied on ritlin? ffs do you even understand what you're saying? GAAAAWD my head is hurting
 
Eh, TBH, I'm with the cop. Please don't multi-quote hate on me Stern.
 
CptStern said:
ok I'm really going to lay into you for this. please provide sources and your research notes proving spanking is more effective than children rasied on ritlin? ffs do you even understand what you're saying? GAAAAWD my head is hurting
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My parents spanked/smacked me when I misbehaved, and guess what - it worked. I didn't want to get hit again so I never did whatever I did wrong again. I don't blame them for it either, it let me know they meant business and they weren't all talk, so I didn't **** around.

And although probably unnecessary, I don't blame him for the kick in the head regardless.
 
I was raised on a 'switch'. I'm glad I was, too.
 
Dog-- said:
My parents spanked/smacked me when I misbehaved, and guess what - it worked.
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and you know it worked because you were also raised on the alternative (no spanking) and that didnt work ......right? ok lets say for arguments sake you were spanked, died, were reborn with all your memories intact but then were raised with no spanking.. ..your experiences are not typical of the average person therefore any conclusion you would draw would be instantly invalid

look spanking is the lazy man's way out, it is a million times more difficult to discipline without beating your child. I know this from direct hands on experience of having to dole out discipline without using force. can any of you say the same?



Dog-- said:
I didn't want to get hit again so I never did whatever I did wrong again.
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so in other words you were trained to fear the beating and not why what you did was wrong

Dog-- said:
I don't blame them for it either, it let me know they meant business and they weren't all talk, so I didn't **** around.

And although probably unnecessary, I don't blame him for the kick in the head regardless.
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look, too many of you think in only one way: emotionally. there is no critical thinking. you cant for a minute step away from all your preconcieved notions and look at this, or anything else with an unbiased eye. regardless if the perp has just strangled a roomful of piuppies with the shoelace off the shoe of a toddler he just ate, the POLICE OFFICER STILL ACTED UNLAWFULLY. it's like some of you just cant get beyond this. I blame NOT watching Law and Order for this
 
Dog-- said:
My parents spanked/smacked me when I misbehaved, and guess what - it worked. I didn't want to get hit again so I never did whatever I did wrong again. I don't blame them for it either, it let me know they meant business and they weren't all talk, so I didn't **** around.

And although probably unnecessary, I don't blame him for the kick in the head regardless.
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thanks dude, and i hope others will see my point. my little 7yr old nephew broke his arm the other day because he misbehaves all the time and barely ever gets punished, i hate it. what the hell do you expect....the child to raise himself up?? imo spanking is the perfect punishment just like a swift kick to a grown man's head. he probably still won't learn his lesson though
 
Spankings pretty poor parenting imo.

I was never hit by my parents and I was raised well too.
 
I think by law the cop shoouldnt have hit the guy,after all it was on the floor whit his arms streched and else and it was cooperating,well in some way

so yeah I am not whit the cop here
 
Solaris said:
Spankings pretty poor parenting imo.

I was never hit by my parents and I was raised well too.
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since when is tradition poor parenting?? imo my grandparents generation did it right and everything in today's society is pure shit. which is why we are in the present situation with all the debt and crappy legislators and gov't. none of them got spanked and barely anyone in Congress knows discipline
 
As soon as I saw this thread title I knew it was posted by Stern.

I guess the cop should have "politely" arrested the guy. Maybe he should have gently rolled him over kinda like the same way you get rolled over when you get a massage. The guy deserved it.

Officer: "Oh excuse me sir, excuse me. I know you just drove on the wrong side of the road and broke nearly every traffic law in the books, and even hit a car. But in order to be kind and nice I am going to need you to cooperate. Now, if you would just sit still while I give you a nice relaxing massage to calm those tense little nerves of yours. Oh, and I hope these cold handcuffs don't shock your wrists, let me rub some lotion on them first."
 
Warped said:
since when is tradition poor parenting?? imo my grandparents generation did it right and everything in today's society is pure shit. which is why we are in the present situation with all the debt and crappy legislators and gov't. none of them got spanked and barely anyone in Congress knows discipline
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You seriously lack any understanding of how to conduct yourself logically and reasonably.

Tradition is poor parenting, when it is just that - poor parenting. Just because something is traditional doesn't mean it is right, that's a logical fallacy.

The rest of your post is pure tripe too, blaming the national debt on not spanking kids??

Come on. How old are you?
 
I'm all for justice, but that was completely unnecessary and excessive. Narrator states the policeman kicked him directly in the shoulder, but it was clearly a blunt kick to the head. You can't assault a guy in complete compliance, lying on the ground, face down, arms out - as instructed. No one is above the law. If the kick was superfluous to apprehension of the suspect, it shouldn't have happened. It's not the officer's duty to apply correction. They are there to prevent crime, and use minimal force to put criminals in custody and put them before courts so justice can prevail.

A US civil liberty group has called for the officer's immediate suspension.
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Well done.
 
Solaris said:
Spankings pretty poor parenting imo.

I was never hit by my parents and I was raised well too.
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my dad gave me the beats whenever I misbehaved. I turned out ok. the point is that personal expereinces are not the norm. what works for one may not work for another

Escape said:
As soon as I saw this thread title I knew it was posted by Stern.

I guess the cop should have "politely" arrested the guy. Maybe he should have gently rolled him over kinda like the same way you get rolled over when you get a massage. The guy deserved it.
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this is not the point. this is also an example of jumping to a conclusion based on nothing more than emotion. legality doesnt play a part in your reasoning because you dont understand the legality behind the issue so you throw in ridiculous scenarios that are completely inappropriate to the subject at hand.

Escape said:
Officer: "Oh excuse me sir, excuse me. I know you just drove on the wrong side of the road and broke nearly every traffic law in the books, and even hit a car. But in order to be kind and nice I am going to need you to cooperate. Now, if you would just sit still while I give you a nice relaxing massage to calm those tense little nerves of yours. Oh, and I hope these cold handcuffs don't shock your wrists, let me rub some lotion on them first."
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so instead you're advocating that the police officer break the law? isnt he supposed to uphold the law?


Warped said:
since when is tradition poor parenting?? imo my grandparents generation did it right and everything in today's society is pure shit. which is why we are in the present situation with all the debt and crappy legislators and gov't. none of them got spanked and barely anyone in Congress knows discipline
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lol you're :rolling:

your grandparents generation did what right? be specific. woman's right? worker's rights? child welfare laws? gay rights? minority rights? because your grandparents generation swept this under the carpet. Oh and congress doesnt know discipline because they didnt grow up with spankings in this new fangled modern age?


The average age of Members of both houses, at the convening of the 109th
Congress (2006), was 56 years; of Representatives, 55 years; and of Senators, 60 years.
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Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.V., is an institution. He's the longest serving senator in U.S. history. He's also 88 years old ...he'll be 95 at the end of his ninth term

Sen. Daniel Akaka, D-Hawaii, who is 82 and would be 88 at the end of his third term, if re-elected. And over in the House, the 83-year-old Rep. Ralph Hall, R-Texas, is running for a 14th term.
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just how old are your grandparents? 130?
 
Hectic Glenn said:
Are you serious? The guy lays down on the floor with his hands where the police can see them, and evidently the adrenalin gets the better of the officer and he kicks in him in the head / shoulder for no good reason. That is excessive force and really unnecessary in that situation. I don't care what they guy did before, he had surrendered and there wasn't any need for that.

It's a shame people with the same attitude as you apply to go in the force and make the grade. And what a mighty high one it is...
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Oh please, the guy is a gangbanger. He probably got kicked a hundred times in the head during his initiation.
 
lol bu****in hu.
He had it coming. A feel bad for the cop he now he'l prolly get suspended for a few weeks.
 
I don't think enough people understand what happens when you abandon the justice system - you get fascism.
 
Is Warped taking the piss? I honestly can't tell, but I'm guessing yes.
 
Solaris said:
You seriously lack any understanding of how to conduct yourself logically and reasonably.

Tradition is poor parenting, when it is just that - poor parenting. Just because something is traditional doesn't mean it is right, that's a logical fallacy.

The rest of your post is pure tripe too, blaming the national debt on not spanking kids??

Come on. How old are you?
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pipe down dude it was a joke, apparently people are too serious these days. spanking or not its all opinion based and like everything in the world its based on situations and other factors.
 
no it's certainly not opinion based:

"Corporal punishment is of limited effectiveness and has potentially deleterious side effects. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that parents be encouraged and assisted in the development of methods other than spanking for managing undesired behavior."

the American Academy of Pediatrics "opinion" is good enough for me

http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/pediatrics;101/4/723.pdf

and it's kinda hard to expect us to believe you were kidding when you basically repeat the same opinion right after saying you were only joking
 
Can't say the crook doesn't deserve it but the officer deserves what he gets too.
 
The guy was down on the ground and had given up. That was unnecessary and was indeed an act of police brutality. I can forgive officers if they happen to injure somebody while trying to apprehend or cuff a resistant person. This was not one of those situations.

The guy was a **** for needlessly endangering others by driving like that, and he may have had it coming. But that's not an excuse. It may feel just and good watching a guy like that getting punished, but I'd rather not have the law appealing to my baser feelings. That would be horrifying.
 
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