LA Cop kicks prone suspect in head video

[Dog--]

and you know it worked because you were also raised on the alternative (no spanking) and that didnt work ......right? ok lets say for arguments sake you were spanked, died, were reborn with all your memories intact but then were raised with no spanking.. ..your experiences are not typical of the average person therefore any conclusion you would draw would be instantly invalid

Well the same goes for you then. I don't know if you were spanked or not, but you don't know how it works the other way around either. So any conclusion YOU draw is ALSO invalid.

look spanking is the lazy man's way out, it is a million times more difficult to discipline without beating your child. I know this from direct hands on experience of having to dole out discipline without using force. can any of you say the same?

Spanking is the easiest but from personal experience I found it was most effective. A kid is more likely to misbehave again if you just yell at him or send him to his room, but if you smack him in the head he will NOT want that again so he'll be alot more careful of his actions. My dad is the one who hit me, my mom sent me to my room/made me stand in the corner/etc, and I was WAY more behaved around my dad.

so in other words you were trained to fear the beating and not why what you did was wrong

Exactly - what's wrong with that? for example I had a fascination with fire, I'd steal matches and light them. My dad caught me one day and smacked me in the head. I never touched matches ever again for fear of being hit. Now when I started to grow up I realized that I shouldn't do it because it's not smart to **** around with fire. So he kept me fearful of it long enough for me to learn that it was stupid to light matches in my house.

look, too many of you think in only one way: emotionally. there is no critical thinking. you cant for a minute step away from all your preconcieved notions and look at this, or anything else with an unbiased eye. regardless if the perp has just strangled a roomful of piuppies with the shoelace off the shoe of a toddler he just ate, the POLICE OFFICER STILL ACTED UNLAWFULLY. it's like some of you just cant get beyond this. I blame NOT watching Law and Order for this

I never said the officer was justified in what he did, but I'm not going to go around yelling about it because the guy deserved it. Yes, the officer shouldn't have done it, but I don't really care that he did because the perp is a douche.

my dad gave me the beats whenever I misbehaved. I turned out ok. the point is that personal expereinces are not the norm. what works for one may not work for another

So what right do you have to say that spanking is bad parenting? Sure it doesn't work for everyone (no punishment does), but it worked for you, didn't it?

this is not the point. this is also an example of jumping to a conclusion based on nothing more than emotion. legality doesnt play a part in your reasoning because you dont understand the legality behind the issue so you throw in ridiculous scenarios that are completely inappropriate to the subject at hand.

Kinda like a guy strangling a puppy with the shoelace of a toddler he just ate?

so instead you're advocating that the police officer break the law? isnt he supposed to uphold the law?

I know this isn't directed at me, but I don't think anyone here was rooting for the guy to be kicked in the head, most people here don't really hold it against the officer because the perp deserved it.



Holy ****.. Is that what you do every time you argue with someone? That post took like 20 minutes..

 

[unozero]

so this thread is about something else now?

 

[Dog--]

I ought to smack you, boy.

 

[CyberPitz]

This thread is now about Nuri's lack of a GF and beating children

 

[Qonfused]

Beat your children: it's for their own good.

 

[CptStern]

Well the same goes for you then. I don't know if you were spanked or not, but you don't know how it works the other way around either. So any conclusion YOU draw is ALSO invalid.

yes I do because a. I was spanked as a kid. b. I have kids of my own, I dont spank them. and c. I worked at a school for mentally handicapped children; I have first hand experience disciplining children without laying a hand on them ..many children, not just one or two; I worked there for 7 years. I understand both sides of the issue

Spanking is the easiest but from personal experience I found it was most effective.

as compared to what?

A kid is more likely to misbehave again if you just yell at him or send him to his room, but if you smack him in the head he will NOT want that again so he'll be alot more careful of his actions.

so again you'd say the real lesson is to fear the smack on the head, not why they recieved a smack on the head

My dad is the one who hit me, my mom sent me to my room/made me stand in the corner/etc, and I was WAY more behaved around my dad.

how old are you out of curosity? would you allow your dad to hit you now? I had 2 or 3 fights with my dad where I hit back. he never hit me again. I was 16 or so. To this day even though I've forgiven him for hitting me as a kid I harbour some resentment. come back to me when you have kids of your own. I'm curious to see if you'll repeat your father's behaviour or if you'll choose to do things a little differently. I never hit my kids. and they're well behaved.

example: just last night. was out last night at a toy store with wife and kids. my son wanted to buy the Superman returns movie which we agreed to. On the way out he found a wolverine figure pack (sabertooth, woverine, deadpool and jean grey ..it was pretty cool) ..anyways we told him he had to choose one or the other but not both the movie and the x-men toy set. first he ttried negotiating "ok mommy will pay for movie and daddy will pay for toys" ..nope we stuck to our guns: he had to choose one and leave the other behind. this doesnt go over very well so he starts whing and crying ..his behaviour escalates and now he's sobbing uncontrollably. this sets off my 2 yr old daughter who's now running around the store. so now we have 2 unruly kids on our hands. we tell both kids that their behaviour is inappropriate in public and as a result we will be going home without buying anything. My daughter has to be carried out (she's struggling) and my son is crying. This morning both are extremely well behaved. my son asks if we can try sometime this weekend to go back to the store to pick ONE of the items he wanted. he said "we'll buy the other thing at some other time, we dont need both"

the point of the story is that I could have easily regained control of the situation had I spanked both kids and told them to behave or they'll be hit again. they might stop but what have they learned? to fear spanking. My kids learned something far more valuable than simply to fear me. and it was much more work than simply hitting them

Exactly - what's wrong with that? for example I had a fascination with fire, I'd steal matches and light them. My dad caught me one day and smacked me in the head. I never touched matches ever again for fear of being hit.

yes he taught you to fear being hit, you admit it yourself, you didnt learn WHY it wrong till much later. you say so yourself, here:

Now when I started to grow up I realized that I shouldn't do it because it's not smart to **** around with fire. So he kept me fearful of it long enough for me to learn that it was stupid to light matches in my house.

my son is 5, he knows to stay away from fire because it is dangerous and it can hurt him. not because I caught him with matches, gave him a spanking and now thinks "I shouldnt play with matches because dad will beat me" ...this is the lesson YOU learned, you say so yourself. you prove my point

I never said the officer was justified in what he did, but I'm not going to go around yelling about it because the guy deserved it. Yes, the officer shouldn't have done it, but I don't really care that he did because the perp is a douche.

so he's a douche. what stops this police officer from doing it to someone who doesnt deserve it? we already know he's more than capable. so shouldnt he be held accountable when he breaks the law? should we just ignore unlawful activity from police officers when the perps are douchebags but hold them accountable when they're not douche-bags? we'd be hypocrites much like the police officer in the video is

"it's not ok for YOU to break the law, but this badge says I CAN break the law" ..I'm sorry it doesnt give him any immunity from the law

So what right do you have to say that spanking is bad parenting?

I have the medical and pschiatric communities to back me up on this. you? personal outrage?

Sure it doesn't work for everyone (no punishment does), but it worked for you, didn't it?

yes if you think that having a fist fight with your dad when you're still a kid is ok, ya if you think wishing he was dead was ok, ya if you think growing up hating your dad is ok ..then yes it certainly worked well at doing something

Kinda like a guy strangling a puppy with the shoelace of a toddler he just ate?

you dont get the analogy. it was meant to be over the top alarmist. you just dont get the context of comment. that much is apparent

I know this isn't directed at me, but I don't think anyone here was rooting for the guy to be kicked in the head, most people here don't really hold it against the officer because the perp deserved it.

"the law is not really applicable when the person is a douche"

this is basically what you are saying/supporting

Holy ****.. Is that what you do every time you argue with someone? That post took like 20 minutes..

well that's what debating is: you argue each other's points. you present a point, I counter it with my point, you counter with yours

 

[Rizzo]

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

What the cop did was wrong. No excuse. Even the camera guy was chocked.

 

[Dog--]

yes I do because a. I was spanked as a kid. b. I have kids of my own, I dont spank them. and c. I worked at a school for mentally handicapped children; I have first hand experience disciplining children without laying a hand on them ..many children, not just one or two; I worked there for 7 years. I understand both sides of the issue

Well ok then, for 4 years I've peer tutored special needs classes, and I have better recollection of friends (kids) getting disciplined because I'm younger. I wouldn't ever hit a mentally handicapped person because they are alot more uncontrollable, they are more prone to 'freak outs' I guess you could call them. They are a different story completely. They don't really apply to this issue. And I live and lived in 'bad' parts of town (like shitty neighborhoods) so spanking/hitting was the norm, and it worked for my friends as far as I can tell.. I always remember me trying to get friends to do stupid things and they'd say 'no my dad will KILL me'. That's proof it worked.

as compared to what?

Compared to yelling and sending your kid to the corner or something.

so again you'd say the real lesson is to fear the smack on the head, not why they recieved a smack on the head

It still works... I guarantee back like 300 years ago kids were way more behaved and respectful of their parents because no laws existed that kept their parents fearful of going to jail if they looked at their kids the wrong way. I'm not saying you should break your kids arms or smack so hard he gets bruises, however.

how old are you out of curosity? would you allow your dad to hit you now? I had 2 or 3 fights with my dad where I hit back. he never hit me again. I was 16 or so. To this day even though I've forgiven him for hitting me as a kid I harbour some resentment. come back to me when you have kids of your own. I'm curious to see if you'll repeat your father's behaviour or if you'll choose to do things a little differently. I never hit my kids. and they're well behaved.

I'm 18 and I've had plenty of fights with my dad both verbal and physical, he stopped smacking me around the age of about 11 or so. We've both put those fights in the past, my dad is a cool guy and I love him still. People fight, it's just what people do.

example: just last night. was out last night at a toy store with wife and kids. my son wanted to buy the Superman returns movie which we agreed to. On the way out he found a wolverine figure pack (sabertooth, woverine, deadpool and jean grey ..it was pretty cool) ..anyways we told him he had to choose one or the other but not both the movie and the x-men toy set. first he ttried negotiating "ok mommy will pay for movie and daddy will pay for toys" ..nope we stuck to our guns: he had to choose one and leave the other behind. this doesnt go over very well so he starts whing and crying ..his behaviour escalates and now he's sobbing uncontrollably. this sets off my 2 yr old daughter who's now running around the store. so now we have 2 unruly kids on our hands. we tell both kids that their behaviour is inappropriate in public and as a result we will be going home without buying anything. My daughter has to be carried out (she's struggling) and my son is crying. This morning both are extremely well behaved. my son asks if we can try sometime this weekend to go back to the store to pick ONE of the items he wanted. he said "we'll buy the other thing at some other time, we dont need both"

Well over something so small, I would've done the same thing, good job. I should clarify I'm not condoning smacking your kids when say they swear at you or something trivial like that, but if your kid is playing with fire in the house that deserves one.

the point of the story is that I could have easily regained control of the situation had I spanked both kids and told them to behave or they'll be hit again. they might stop but what have they learned? to fear spanking. My kids learned something far more valuable than simply to fear me. and it was much more work than simply hitting them

I've already admitted smacking is easier then another punishment but it's a fear tactic, which doesn't bother me.

yes he taught you to fear being hit, you admit it yourself, you didnt learn WHY it wrong till much later. you say so yourself, here:

Yes I did say that I was fearful.. Fearful long enough to grow up and learn it was wrong. Now I don't do things because I'm scared my dad will hit me, I don't do them because they are stupid I've learned that.

my son is 5, he knows to stay away from fire because it is dangerous and it can hurt him. not because I caught him with matches, gave him a spanking and now thinks "I shouldnt play with matches because dad will beat me" ...this is the lesson YOU learned, you say so yourself. you prove my point

Wasn't it you who said everyone is different? I'm not saying you absolutely cannot parent without smacking your kids, sometimes they just need to know you aren't screwing around and you really don't want them to do something like that again.

so he's a douche. what stops this police officer from doing it to someone who doesnt deserve it? we already know he's more than capable. so shouldnt he be held accountable when he breaks the law? should we just ignore unlawful activity from police officers when the perps are douchebags but hold them accountable when they're not douche-bags? we'd be hypocrites much like the police officer in the video is

Like I said, he SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT, but I don't care that he did.

"it's not ok for YOU to break the law, but this badge says I CAN break the law" ..I'm sorry it doesnt give him any immunity from the law

Whoever said it did?

I have the medical and pschiatric communities to back me up on this. you? personal outrage?

Personal experience.. Besides the 'Psychiatric communities' can say anything you want to look up on google..

http://ateasetees.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/its-ok-to-spank-your-kids-now/

Look at me now I'm backed by psychiatric communities too!

yes if you think that having a fist fight with your dad when you're still a kid is ok, ya if you think wishing he was dead was ok, ya if you think growing up hating your dad is ok ..then yes it certainly worked well at doing something

lol, it's called being a kid. When your parents prevent you from doing something you want to do you have bad thoughts. I've thought plenty of times I wish they were dead, every kid thinks it at some point. I only hated him after he disciplined me (in any way) I was a kid. You should try thinking of when your dad wasn't punishing you - was he an ok guy after that?

you dont get the analogy. it was meant to be over the top alarmist. you just dont get the context of comment. that much is apparent

No, sounds like I just won that argument.. You can't admit it.

"the law is not really applicable when the person is a douche"

this is basically what you are saying/supporting

Nice job putting words in my mouth, I never said anything close to that.

well that's what debating is: you argue each other's points. you present a point, I counter it with my point, you counter with yours

It takes too long.

 

[PvtRyan]

Hitting your kids is a great way to raise them. If your goal is to make them scared of you.

 

[Warped]

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

What the cop did was wrong. No excuse. Even the camera guy was chocked.

heres a question, if you saw the video without the commentary, would it change your opinion on the matter?? or hell just mute it....but try it on a 1st time viewer and see what they say

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Not caring about people breaking the law is often why people get away with it.

 

[Solaris]

I like the idea that you have no rights regarding your kids, only responcabilities.

I don't think hurting your children fulfils any of those.

 

[CyberPitz]