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For some reason, my grandad reckons that my pc wouldn't run any faster and would in fact run slower with the following upgrades...

from
9600XT 128
AMD Athlon 3200+
1 GB RAM

to
7600GT
AMD 64 3500+
2 GB Ram

He reckons that I have too much crap on my pc that is slowing it down...when there is hardly anything and I delete any crap every month or so.

And now my mother reckons he is right and won't allow me and my dad to buy anything from the Computer Market on Sunday. If that happens, I will be seriously pissed off.
 
Lol? Just buy the upgrade. It's a good choice. It WILL run faster.

Edit: Proof him wrong by running Crap cleaner www.ccleaner.com. Full harddisks don't have any effect on performance.
 
I don't see the point behind the upgrades besides maybe the video card.
 
Well, I would need a new mobo for the 7600GT (being pci-e and everything) so I thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to get a new cpu aswell.
 
By the usage of the word "reckons" three times in your post, I can deduct that your family is nothing but computer illiterate hicks. Hence why they would think such foolish things. :p
 
PsychoFreak said:
Well, I would need a new mobo for the 7600GT (being pci-e and everything) so I thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to get a new cpu aswell.
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And another gig of ram
 
Still seems like spending money that doesn't really need to be spent. The performance difference will be minimal.
 
Won't let your Dad buy anything?

*whip cracks in background*
 
The 7600GT and 1GB ram are worth it. Save yourself a 100 bucks and just overclock your current 3200+. Invest the 100 bucks into your gfx card and buy a 7900GT.
 
Pressure said:
Still seems like spending money that doesn't really need to be spent. The performance difference will be minimal.
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Yuppers.

Just get a new video card.
 
I would skip the processor upgrade and spend that money on a better graphics card. The difference between the 3200+ and 3500+ just isn't enough to warrant the price in my opinion.
 
???

I have an AMD Athlon. Socket A! As far as I can see, I can't find any mobo with a Socket A and Pci-E.

And I'm not into overclocking or anything.

The main reason for the upgrade is so that I'm pretty much ready for Vista and can play BattleField 2 over 40 fps...
 
What you have listed for upgrades is fine if you have the money for it.

I personally went from a Socket A Athlon XP 2800+ (2.25GHz) to a Socket 754 Athlon 64 3000+ (2GHz) and it was worth it for me. Of course I sold my CPU and motherboard when I bought the new one so that made up for some of the cost. Used the same PC2700 memory though.

The 7600GT is a big difference from a 9600XT.
7600GT>6800GT>9800Pro>9600XT
Sure the 7600GT is midrange but we have come a long way.

And 2gb memory is nice if you have a lot of stuff running or play new games like BF2.
 
I am going to kill the next person who complains to me that thier PC runs slow because thier hard drive is full. Harsh but true.

hungryduck. I will take 2 identical PC's. I will install windows on both, and then half fill the hard drive with jpgs on one of them. If you can tell which is which without looking at the disk properties or using hard drive benchmarking tools I will give you a big pile of cookies. If you can't, I will murder you with one of the SATA leads? Agreed? Or perhaps you can just not post misleading info?
 
vista != dx10 cards.

i'd go with the upgrade (all parts) unless these guys know something i don't, and know a good socket a mobo that has pci-x ?

3 questions; are you going am2 or 939, what motherboard and what brand/speed is the ram you're getting ?
 
Link said:
I am going to kill the next person who complains to me that thier PC runs slow because thier hard drive is full. Harsh but true.

hungryduck. I will take 2 identical PC's. I will install windows on both, and then half fill the hard drive with jpgs on one of them. If you can tell which is which without looking at the disk properties or using hard drive benchmarking tools I will give you a big pile of cookies. If you can't, I will murder you with one of the SATA leads? Agreed? Or perhaps you can just not post misleading info?
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Or perhaps you could calm the **** down?
When a hard drive is full, it takes longer for the seeking heads to find data on the platters, they have to sift through a lot more.
I was merely stating that a hard drive that its filled to the brim is going to take a little longer to access whats there. No, its not going to be a huge noticeable performance hit, and its not going to be the systems biggest bottleneck either. A clean, holding little data, recently defragmented drive is going to be faster than one that hasn't been defraged in 3 years and is packed.
OK, so if I'm running superpi or something, a program that relys 100 percent on the processor, this won't be a problem, your right the hard drive will not affect performance.....but I'm afraid that during general computer use...oh I don't know.....maybe the hard drive is used a little bit.:rolleyes:

I would agree with the original poster that his parents are being unlogical, merely emptying his hard drive is NOT going to make his computer "faster." It may perform a little better than before, but upgrading his machine definitely going to give him a "faster" computer.
If you can't, I will murder you with one of the SATA leads? Agreed? Or perhaps you can just not post misleading info?
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I was not posting misleading info. Quit being an asshat.
 
Common sense? -meh I've probably only heard five out of the thousands of complaints about common sense that were actually acceptable for what should be considered common sense. I don't suppose your grandad knows much about computers?
 
hungryduck said:
Or perhaps you could calm the **** down?
When a hard drive is full, it takes longer for the seeking heads to find data on the platters, they have to sift through a lot more.
I was merely stating that a hard drive that its filled to the brim is going to take a little longer to access whats there. No, its not going to be a huge noticeable performance hit, and its not going to be the systems biggest bottleneck either. A clean, holding little data, recently defragmented drive is going to be faster than one that hasn't been defraged in 3 years and is packed.
OK, so if I'm running superpi or something, a program that relys 100 percent on the processor, this won't be a problem, your right the hard drive will not affect performance.....but I'm afraid that during general computer use...oh I don't know.....maybe the hard drive is used a little bit.:rolleyes:

I would agree with the original poster that his parents are being unlogical, merely emptying his hard drive is NOT going to make his computer "faster." It may perform a little better than before, but upgrading his machine definitely going to give him a "faster" computer.

I was not posting misleading info. Quit being an asshat.
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There's a big difference between a full hdd that is not defragged and one that is. Ofcourse defragging helps performance. Having a shitload of data itself doesn't do a thing.
 
You also missed one more thing, which would be Virutal Memory on full HD's.

The major thing on why computers may seem to slow down overtime is not that the HD is getting more full but rather you just start accumulating more start up processes. Throw in a virus scanner, some printer software that starts up right away, etc... thats all gonna slow your computer down because each process may need some cpu usage and take up some ram.

If you want to make your computer faster you should upgrade, if you want to get more the performance you should be getting out of your computer you should defrag, kill off unneeded start up processes with run -> msconfig -> startup.
 
I'm sure my grandad has a point about my PC not running things much faster but the improvements in-game must be massive?

Btw, is there any way to stop IExplorer from running?

It always runs, and when you kill the process it just starts up again =/
 
PsychoFreak said:
Btw, is there any way to stop IExplorer from running?

It always runs, and when you kill the process it just starts up again =/
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Not to derail the thread, but that's probably a virus or spyware/malware program. Update your antivirus/antispyware. If you don't have that, I recomment Spybot Search&Destroy, it's relatively easy to get rid of lots of spyware (provided you allow the program to run in Advanced mode).

On-Topic: As far as the upgrades go, I would wait until the end of August before upgrading anything CPU-wise. Price cuts and new CPU models and so forth. For now, just defrag your drive.

Speaking of, anyone know of some good defragging tools? The default WinXP one isn't great.
 
My mom thinks the same thing. She always thought that my old computer was running slow because I "had too much stuff on it" when I really only had about 40-50 GB worth of data, and its not like it does anything anyway. She didn't want me to upgrade, but I just went out and built myself a new computer. The old one died a month later because my mother fried the hard-drive. (And then THREW AWAY THE REST OF THE PARTS!!>?!?!) I'm still angry about her throwing away a perfectley good computer because the hard-drive died...I could have used that extra gig of ram :hmph:
 
Revisedsoul said:
http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/perf/perf/ext/fileSpace.html
for you brick
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Alright, it may have some theoretical effects, but if you keep your hdd defragged, half of those problems are fixed. The 5ms it takes to move the head across the disk to the inner area won't be significant. And if you keep your hdd defragged, the head doesn't need to switch track that much. That means it only affect acces time a little, which itself is dependant on alot of things; other than having tons of data.

I'd like to see a benchmark to prove that it is actually measurable.
 
The Brick said:
Alright, it may have some theoretical effects, but if you keep your hdd defragged, half of those problems are fixed. The 5ms it takes to move the head across the disk to the inner area won't be significant. And if you keep your hdd defragged, the head doesn't need to switch track that much. That means it only affect acces time a little, which itself is dependant on alot of things; other than having tons of data.

I'd like to see a benchmark to prove that it is actually measurable.
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also data is read a fair bit slower on the inner tracks compaired to the outer track
 
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