legalizing prostitution

[jverne]

i see no argument why shouldn't it be legalized.

i've got tons of arguments for, but i'm not interested in discussing them...i'd like to hear the nay sayers opinions.

 

[Escaep]

i see no argument why shouldn't it be legalized.

i've got tons of arguments for, but i'm not interested in discussing them...i'd like to hear the nay sayers opinions.

If you were a parent would you want your kids being subjected to that if it was legal?

 

[jverne]

If you were a parent would you want your kids being subjected to that if it was legal?

wtf do you mean...that prostitutes would chase my son around on the street or something?


oh...i forgot to mention, that legalized prostitution also means regulated. so street hookers are not common

 

[Escaep]

wtf do you mean...that prostitutes would chase my son around on the street or something?


oh...i forgot to mention, that legalized prostitution also means regulated. so street hookers are not common

It really wasn't that difficult of a question to understand.

 

[swan_song1973]

child abductions would happen 10x more often, its better that it stays illegal. just stfu and date somebody.

 

[CptStern]

it's already legal (at least in canada): escort services. solicitation for sex (asking money for sex) is illegal, prostitution isnt (performing sex for money)

 

[jverne]

It really wasn't that difficult of a question to understand.

i did understand it, but i was wondering if you meant something else by that, because your original question is BS.


you're telling me that legalized prostitution would destroy a child's mind or something?

 

[AJ Rimmer]

child abductions would happen 10x more often.

Erm, why?

 

[DEATH eVADER]

I'm for licensed brothels, but not prostitutes loitering around the street

Reason why is because there is no telling what STDs prostitutes have, but with a licensed brothel, each member could be certified that they are clean, as well as checked every so often for signs of STDs. Plus each member can be verified that they are at the age at which they can start working, and have a criminal background check too.

I believe this argument was put forward by someone who works in a brothel, and I tend to agree.

 

[Escaep]

i did understand it, but i was wondering if you meant something else by that, because your original question is BS.


you're telling me that legalized prostitution would destroy a child's mind or something?

No. I am simply asking if you and your family were to be going out to dinner for the night would you want to have your kids subjected to that and have it be perfectly legal?

 

[Kakashi]

In the U.S. the only state that prostitution is legal is Nevada, Las Vegas. Seems there that they are regulated and checked for STD's and etc. Brothels is what I deem okay, I wouldn't see it as a huge problem, as long as it's regulated in some way.

 

[Eejit]

Your use of the word "that" is very vauge Escape. So yes, your question was difficult to understand.

Do you mean your child would be subjected to witnessing solicitation? Witnessing women dressed skankily? Or do you mean your child would be subjected to prostitution or advances from a prostitute?

 

[The Monkey]

The reason prostitution is illegal isn't because of the thing itself, but because of its side-effects, the social consequences it has. Many, many prostitutes have reached a point in life where they have no other way out, where selling their bodies is their only option to survive, and often to finance a substance addiction. For society to let men take advantage of the women's vulnerable position is unacceptable. But it's very important not to punish women who in many cases had no other option, but rather punish the customers who took advantage of it.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Prostitution should be fully legal and fully regulated.

As with the drugs trade, a huge amount of its terrible social effects are direct consequences of it being a black market.

 

[Jintor]

I think proper and enforcible regulation would make the world's oldest profession a lot safer.

 

[Darkside55]

Escorts are technically legal.

This was on the ballot recently here in CA. It was smashed. I was kind of surprised.

 

[ríomhaire]

Prostitution should be fully legal and fully regulated.

As with the drugs trade, a huge amount of its terrible social effects are direct consequences of it being a black market.

I think proper and enforcible regulation would make the world's oldest profession a lot safer.

Agreement. The first debate of the year (ie, the college year, so in October) in this uni's philosphical (debating) society was on whether or not to decriminalize prostitution. The motion passed by a wide margin.

 

[Tyguy]

if they can legalize prostitution, then why can't they legalize bestiality? What a screwed up system...

 

[CptStern]

if they can legalize prostitution, then why can't they legalize bestiality? What a screwed up system...

umm there's the consent issue. animals cant consent and accepting money implies consent


you just want to have sex with gerbils, admit it

 

[Tyguy]

you just want to have sex with gerbils, admit it

It wears slutty clothes while it runs in the wheel, it's asking for it.

 

[No Limit]

It should totally be legal, I'm in need of a more exciting job.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Prostitution should be fully legal and fully regulated.

As with the drugs trade, a huge amount of its terrible social effects are direct consequences of it being a black market.

This. Regardless of the moral concerns, prostitution is the ultimate victimless crime. People who want it illegal are incredibly selfish - LOLOL IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME BUT IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL CAUSE I ARE A PRUDE.

 

[Absinthe]

Well, there's the whole "women go into it out of desperation" idea. But while I can understand that concern, it's not the place of the state to make some moral stance on it.

It's their bodies and they can use them in trade for any reason, be they financial or personal preference. It's not like current laws are protecting these people any way or making their jobs safer. Regardless of one's one judgment on the profession, it boils down to one's right over his or her body.

I have zero qualms with prostitution, only with some of its seedier elements that have to do more with its legal status than anything. If you can have people fuck for money on camera and distribute it worldwide, I don't see why you can't do it in a brothel room.

 

[Godron]

I'm sure I heard of a big crackdown or something in a Sweden on curb-crawling, where they prosecuted the men who bought sex. Afterwards there were a lot less hookers on the street, but a lot of them were driven underground. Many of the prostitutes just ended up worse off IIRC, and I suppose it just became even more of a black market thing. I'm in agreement with Piggy really, prostitution is not an actual crime in itself, just something women turn to in desperation, as The Monkey said. The only way to reduce it is to alter the society itself, so that less women are forced to turn to it.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

It seems incredible to me that pornography is legal but prostitution isn't. I've said in the past that prostitution is just a more interactive kind of porn. I think if the industry were legal and regulated, then women and men would turn to it less out of desperation and more because it's a job that would probably pay good, regular cash(Although there's always going to be the Wallmart of Brothels out there).
I think it's up to the individual to decide whether accepting sex for cash is somehow debasing him or herself and not the government. The government takes far too many 'moral stances' when it should more simply make it possible for individuals to do so.

However, I don't think it should be allowable to have people advertise it on the street, unless it's right outside a brothel, purely because it's bad enough dodging Red Cross, Help the Aged and Have-you-had-any-accidents-in-the-last-three-years-sir? "volunteers", without also being asked if you want to pay for the Tuesday Special at Mrs Bottom's House of Delight

 

[CptStern]

legalising prostitution would legitimise the practice of would-be immigrants purchasing their way into another country through indentured service. It would increase the amount of poor desperate woman flocking to the west with the promise of opportunity only to arrive owning their "benefactors" a large sum of money which will be repayed through prostitution. this is far more complex than simply making something legal

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Of course it's a complex issue. However, what you're describing happens a lot already, and I think it happens so much as a result of being illegal. A legalised industry would have an army of inspectors to keep watch over it. I suspect that with something like this, the government would be especially anal(lol pun) about it for a long time.

 

[The Monkey]

Well, there's the whole "women go into it out of desperation" idea. But while I can understand that concern, it's not the place of the state to make some moral stance on it.

It's their bodies and they can use them in trade for any reason, be they financial or personal preference. It's not like current laws are protecting these people any way or making their jobs safer. Regardless of one's one judgment on the profession, it boils down to one's right over his or her body.

I have zero qualms with prostitution, only with some of its seedier elements that have to do more with its legal status than anything. If you can have people fuck for money on camera and distribute it worldwide, I don't see why you can't do it in a brothel room.

You don't think it's the government's duty to take in social and moral considerations in lawmaking?

If not, why do we have laws in the first place, if not to protect people?

 

[CptStern]

Of course it's a complex issue. However, what you're describing happens a lot already, and I think it happens so much as a result of being illegal. A legalised industry would have an army of inspectors to keep watch over it. I suspect that with something like this, the government would be especially anal(lol pun) about it for a long time.

I think regulations and laws could only go so far. i mean they couldnt force mandatory testing for stds, it violates their right to privacy. They couldnt prevent indentured work and policing would most likely come down to individual jurisdictions which is fine in most of canada but not so much in areas of canada that are full of the religion based morality ninnies. yes legalising it would fix some problems but not all. I think escort services as a legitimate business that adheres to all standards and regulations set forth by the government will have the most success in cracking down on abuse. turn it into a legitimate bussiness and they may have no other choice but to fly straight and narrow or face closure/loss of revenue

btw I wasnt directly replying to your post... I let my post idle for a few minutes before I even typed it so hant seen your post till now

 

[Nitre]

I think regulations and laws could only go so far. i mean they couldnt force mandatory testing for stds, it violates their right to privacy.

Would this be if prostitution etc was legalised? Because if it was, i'm pretty sure they could force a mandatory STD test on every customer as well as every 'employee'.

 

[Absinthe]

You don't think it's the government's duty to take in social and moral considerations in lawmaking?

If not, why do we have laws in the first place, if not to protect people?

Social and moral considerations of who, exactly?

The government certainly has an interest in protecting people from coercion, which is why I'm against the trade of sex slaves. But the personal decision in entering prostitution is just that, regardless of how poor you think it is. If a woman or man decides to sell their body in order to make ends meet, that is their perogative. You seem to think it's degrading and desperate, so you can just as well not purchase the services of a hooker. She can form her own opinions on her profession. And in a legitimate and regulated industry, she can feel free to leave it if she finds it debasing. Modern pornography contains quite a lot of material people find degrading to women, of which they partake in regularly as part of their job. How many of these people entered adult film because it's always what they wanted to do? Or did they do it because it helped pay their bills? I don't see anybody clamoring for an intervention on behalf of those poor, hapless souls.

The government does not need to step in and save me from myself, which is the exact line of reasoning I use to justify putting whatever drug I want in my body. I'll get concerned when the act of screwing for money actually poses a threat to somebody. Besides, for all this talk of "protectin' the wimmin", it's not like current laws (at least here in the US) are helping these alleged victims. They get charged, fined, and incarcerated just the same as anybody. That's policy in line with deterrence, not welfare.

 

[CptStern]

Would this be if prostitution etc was legalised? Because if it was, i'm pretty sure they could force a mandatory STD test on every customer as well as every 'employee'.

it would be an infringement on their right to privacy as well. You cant force someone to have std tests to purchase a service.

 

[Nitre]

it would be an infringement on their right to privacy as well. You cant force someone to have std tests to purchase a service.

I'm just thinking that the right to know whether or not someone has an STD outweighs a right to privacy. Personally, although i can't imagine myself doing it, i'd like to be confident that the person i'm going to have sex with might have a disease that might kill me. Plus, it can still be private. You go in, they check you out, if you're clean, off you go.

Ensuring that their own people are clean as well also reduces the risk of spreading diseases, since i'd say quite a lot are spread through illegal prostitution, although i don't have any sources. People say condoms prevent many STD's, but i still have my doubts.

 

[15357]

I think the legalization of prostitution should never happen for the following reasons.

#1. Public Health

#2. Public Morality

#3. Women's/Poor's/Immigrants rights. ('Cause, you know, they'll prolly be the ones to be exploited for this new industry)

#4. A better neighborhood - Somehow I dislike the thought of our cities becoming something like Vegas, with scantily clad ugly women trying to lure men. Our cities should have a more cultural look.

That said, I'm gonna read the past 3 pages.

 

[G(ordon)-man]

AIDS will start rampaging.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

That's okay, I have a Molotov.

it would be an infringement on their right to privacy as well. You cant force someone to have std tests to purchase a service.

Are you sure? I don't actually know the laws on this, but surely this is at least partially equivocal to the food industry say, or anything that requires standards of hygiene, such as nursing. They have to be clean (I know it's not perfect, it never is, but it's there)

But even if that isn't relevant, I'm sure that prostitution is a special case because of the intimate nature of it. Perhaps the government itself can't demand that customers get tests (although I think it probably can demand it of the workers) but I'm certain that brothels themselves would be able to refuse entry unless customers submitted themselves to an STD test. The brothels could have certificates of hygiene; I think it would be in their best interest to do so, as the cleaner they are, the more custom they can get. And if a brothel has no standards, then I'm sure the government would be perfectly within their rights to shut it down as a hazard to public health.

I think the legalization of prostitution should never happen for the following reasons.

#1. Public Health

#2. Public Morality

#3. Women's/Poor's/Immigrants rights. ('Cause, you know, they'll prolly be the ones to be exploited for this new industry)

#4. A better neighborhood - Somehow I dislike the thought of our cities becoming something like Vegas, with scantily clad ugly women trying to lure men. Our cities should have a more cultural look.

That said, I'm gonna read the past 3 pages.

What is public morality and how is it affected by sex? Sex is so wonderful and absolutely necessary for the human race to survive beyond the current generation.

This 'new' industry is actually very old and women are already exploited in it. This is exactly what we've been saying; Because it is illegal, it's a lot more open to exploitation than a regulated industry would be. Prostitution happens and will continue to take place so long as people enjoy having sex. It won't go away, and by simply trying to stamp out the issue, or ignore it, we're just making it worse for society.

Wouldn't you prefer a relatively clean, sanctioned red light district, rather than this taking place in slums where, arguably, prostitution helps fund all kinds of illicit and detrimental activities.

What's more cultural than naked women? Haven't you been to an art museum? :arms:

I don't see how the public health will be threatened by regulating this.

 

[CptStern]

That's okay, I have a Molotov.



Are you sure? I don't actually know the laws on this, but surely this is at least partially equivocal to the food industry say, or anything that requires standards of hygiene, such as nursing. They have to be clean (I know it's not perfect, it never is, but it's there)

no this is illegal because employers could discriminate on a wide number of factors if medical histories were disclosed

But even if that isn't relevant, I'm sure that prostitution is a special case because of the intimate nature of it. Perhaps the government itself can't demand that customers get tests (although I think it probably can demand it of the workers)

cant on both accounts because it's in violation of individual rights and freedoms ..now again I can only comment on the way things are in canada as I'm completely unfamiliar with other jurisdictions except what I picked up from Law and Order

but I'm certain that brothels themselves would be able to refuse entry unless customers submitted themselves to an STD test.

no one would go, especially since thebest test is a penile swab ..no thanks. plus they would need medical staff with proper equipment etc plus it can literally takes weeks for results

The brothels could have certificates of hygiene;

ya biut the problem is regulation and inspection:

"can you spread em' ma'am, we're looking for yeast formation today"

I think it would be in their best interest to do so, as the cleaner they are, the more custom they can get. And if a brothel has no standards, then I'm sure the government would be perfectly within their rights to shut it down as a hazard to public health.

I agree, ideally this is the best solution however there's a ton of legal hurdles to get through

 

[Llama]

it would be an infringement on their right to privacy as well. You cant force someone to have std tests to purchase a service.

In most brothels in Neveda the girls working there *have* to be clean, and *have* to use protection, as do the clients...it's not a matter of choice, it's the law.

Ahh here we go, Wikipedia.

Spoiler

Nevada law requires that registered brothel prostitutes be checked weekly for several sexually transmitted diseases, and monthly for HIV; furthermore, condoms are mandatory for all oral sex and sexual intercourse. Brothel owners may be held liable if customers become infected with HIV after a prostitute has tested positive for the virus.[4] Women work a legally mandated minimum of nine days for each work period.[5]

 

[Tyguy]

legalizing it would make prostitution safer you dummies. Who would walk the streets when you could apply at the local brothel and have your clientele tested for stds.

Although, i would be hesitant to put my face anywhere near said whore's thunder twat

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

When I was talking, I did have the Nevada places in mind. I've seen one of two documentaries where some person visits a brothel in Nevada, and they talk about all the tests they have to go through before anything takes place; apparently they still make good business.

I think that the matter of privacy wouldn't be an issue in the UK. This is actually quite sad, but the fact is that the government invades privacy on a daily basis. And plenty of private operators get access to information collected by the government.

So although I do like that Canada apparently protects individual privacy so much, I don't believe this would really be a stopping point as far as legalised prostitution goes on other countries.