Live dog dissection

I've seen a dead old person being dissected.

Yeah, I walked into the wrong class at Uni... :o
 
it's in the name of science, right? i think it'd be cool to watch, but maybe that's just me, i loved dissecting a pig in high school, the brain being the most fun thing to get out
edit: the students should have a had a choice though
 
He looks a little like Sloth from the Goonies, except he has two clumps of hair.

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Farrowlesparrow said:
Whats the point...
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Yeah, I've never understood dissections. They don't show anything except for "This bit is purple and squishy". You can learn just as much by drawing diagrams, or even just having stuff explained to you.
 
Feath said:
Yeah, I've never understood dissections. They don't show anything except for "This bit is purple and squishy". You can learn just as much by drawing diagrams, or even just having stuff explained to you.
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It's just the crave for spilling blood :p
 
Feath said:
Yeah, I've never understood dissections. They don't show anything except for "This bit is purple and squishy". You can learn just as much by drawing diagrams, or even just having stuff explained to you.
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I hope that Surgeons don't follow your methods of training :O
 
Not as bad as those people who released their pets into the streets to die a month later of a fungal infection. My class kept a pet pufferfish a few years back, and it went blind in one eye from a fungal infection heh. My class keeps a snail now....
 
Live Dog Dissection .... The dissection of a live dog? Here's hoping for Anne Robinson.
 
Well the dog was going to be euthanized anyway... personally I don't agree with it but I wouldn't call it an outrage.
 
Shite on a bike, that's a bit odd :(

The human dissection they did on tv was a bit close to the bone (no pun intended), but at least they were dead already. Poor doggy :(
 
Damn I just read the article ... that's completely out of line - more so me being a dog lover, but that's out of line even for someone like LittleB...

I always find that people that do these bad things to animals should be disciplined by having exactly the same done to them. It's only barbaric if they are, and they get exactly what they deserve. It'd make people think twice about being sick f***ers ever again.
 
kirovman said:
I hope that Surgeons don't follow your methods of training :O
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Tut, Obviously I didn't mean that. I meant dissections where some people learn very basic stuff from a guy at the front. I accept that surgeons probably need a bit of practise on corpses. I can see the merits of surgeon. But I don't see the point of someone holding up some lungs and saying "The lungs take in Oxygen and put out Carbon Dioxide". You can explain that without the lungs.
 
W t f...we dissected a worm, a grasshopper and a frog. No live dogs tho lol.
One thing I did learn was that if you stick a scalple in a frogs eye stuff shoots out, twas funny :p
 
Feath said:
Tut, Obviously I didn't mean that. I meant dissections where some people learn very basic stuff from a guy at the front. I accept that surgeons probably need a bit of practise on corpses. I can see the merits of surgeon. But I don't see the point of someone holding up some lungs and saying "The lungs take in Oxygen and put out Carbon Dioxide". You can explain that without the lungs.
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Fair enough, but you can say that it satisfies morbid curiosity.

Anyway I never did dissections while in school.
 
I've no problem with dissections, as long as whatever's being dissected is dead.. dissecting a live dog is just plain wrong :(
 
Well, to play Devil's advocate here, the dog was going to be put to sleep either way, and felt no pain during the procedure. At least it helped education.
 
we just disected fetal pigs.. cutting the heart open and finding all the chambers was pretty neat. Disection is messy btw :-|

I also dont belief students this young will really learn anything new as opposed to a once living cadaver. PETA is going to be all over this :-|
 
One time my science teacher went crazy and we disected a live kitten without anestetic.
 
LOL at what google adsense picked up
 

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If the dog was going to be put to sleep anyways, then I don't see a problem with it if its used for teaching and furthering the understanding of vital organs. Plus, notification went out to the parents and students that they were going to use a live but sedated animal. They should really try to get a hold of deceased animals for dissection but if its in the name of science, I suppose its somewhat acceptable.

The teacher looks pretty odd. Almost like a mad scientist. :laugh:

In addition, Im a huge dog lover and I have four of my own. However, Im a big believer in science and what it can give us.
 
A couple years ago at my girlfriend's school (Ontario College of Art and Design), an animal rights activist skinned a live cat to show how inhumane wearing fur is (or something like that) and showed it to his class. He ended up getting kicked out, and last year at the Toronto Film Festival a documentary on the whole ordeal was shown.
 
satch919 said:
If the dog was going to be put to sleep anyways, then I don't see a problem with it if its used for teaching and furthering the understanding of vital organs. Plus, notification went out to the parents and students that they were going to use a live but sedated animal. They should really try to get a hold of deceased animals for dissection but if its in the name of science, I suppose its somewhat acceptable.

The teacher looks pretty odd. Almost like a mad scientist. :laugh:

In addition, Im a huge dog lover and I have four of my own. However, Im a big believer in science and what it can give us.
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But did it have to be alive? A little uneccesary don't you think?
Did he just want attention or something? Obviously people would be pissed at that.
 
IonizeMyAtoms said:
A couple years ago at my girlfriend's school (Ontario College of Art and Design), an animal rights activist skinned a live cat to show how inhumane wearing fur is (or something like that) and showed it to his class. He ended up getting kicked out, and last year at the Toronto Film Festival a documentary on the whole ordeal was shown.
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So an animal rights activist skinned a live cat!?!? Thats wrong on so many levels. Very ironic. He or she could have just shown a video of it without them actually participating in that brutal act. There is even videos of that kind of stuff online. Im sure PETA would be more than happy to provide someone with such resources. Sick. :|
 
IonizeMyAtoms said:
But did it have to be alive? A little uneccesary don't you think?
Did he just want attention or something? Obviously people would be pissed at that.
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Well, if it was actually to show how the digestive system worked, then I find no problem with it. But the thing that kind of clears them from this act is that they took the time to inform students and parents of what was coming up. That shows that they were at least concerned with how people were going to react.

A little odd though? Yes.

I'd like to know where the dog came from, who supplied it and what condition it was in to make it a candidate for death and dissection.
 
1. Dissections are important. There is very little in life that can be done well without experience, regardless of how well trained you are in the theory.

2. The article said the dog was sedated. As long as it was in the same state that any animal or human is in when they go into surgery, I can't see any problem with this particular case.
 
you people dont know that half of it ....this is very common ..oh btw believe it or not vets often sell stray dogs to labs that perform all kinds of experiments on animals ...and it's rarely to universities. Mostly to labs that have cosemetics contracts or even pet companies. Purina for example used euthanized pets in some of their commercial pet foods
 
Jesus Christ, the dog is sedated people. They're not cutting it open and ripping out organs while he plays fetch. He can't feel anything, and in this case the digestive system is mostly seen just by opening the front of the abdomen. He wouldn't be pulling out the stomach or poking around in sphcinters. Its just like normal surgery as someone else said. And its in the name of learning.
I have a cat, i personally wouldn't let them do it to him, but this dog was probably bred for this use, better than getting shampoo in its eye (i dont like animal testing one bit but it is very useful). I'm sure the dog will be fine afterwards. You people wanna arrest him?!?! Its not like he murdered it, this type of practice is common on animals, just because its a pet suddenly it makes it illegal. In the name of biological science its justified, the experience to see it properly is 1000 times more valuble than reading it from a book. In the long run some of those people learning will turn out to be vets which will be saving 100's more animals, which is an amazing thing to be doing.
 
Hectic Glenn said:
Jesus Christ, the dog is sedated people. They're not cutting it open and ripping out organs while he plays fetch. He can't feel anything, and in this case the digestive system is mostly seen just by opening the front of the abdomen. He wouldn't be pulling out the stomach or poking around in sphcinters. Its just like normal surgery as someone else said. And its in the name of learning.
I have a cat, i personally wouldn't let them do it to him, but this dog was probably bred for this use, better than getting shampoo in its eye (i dont like animal testing one bit but it is very useful). I'm sure the dog will be fine afterwards. You people wanna arrest him?!?! Its not like he murdered it, this type of practice is common on animals, just because its a pet suddenly it makes it illegal. In the name of biological science its justified, the experience to see it properly is 1000 times more valuble than reading it from a book. In the long run some of those people learning will turn out to be vets which will be saving 100's more animals, which is an amazing thing to be doing.
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poor dog. its fate is to die in a experiment........
 
Hectic Glenn said:
Jesus Christ, the dog is sedated people. They're not cutting it open and ripping out organs while he plays fetch. He can't feel anything, and in this case the digestive system is mostly seen just by opening the front of the abdomen. He wouldn't be pulling out the stomach or poking around in sphcinters. Its just like normal surgery as someone else said. And its in the name of learning.
I have a cat, i personally wouldn't let them do it to him, but this dog was probably bred for this use, better than getting shampoo in its eye (i dont like animal testing one bit but it is very useful). I'm sure the dog will be fine afterwards. You people wanna arrest him?!?! Its not like he murdered it, this type of practice is common on animals, just because its a pet suddenly it makes it illegal. In the name of biological science its justified, the experience to see it properly is 1000 times more valuble than reading it from a book. In the long run some of those people learning will turn out to be vets which will be saving 100's more animals, which is an amazing thing to be doing.
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you dont have a ****ing clue ..sorry to be harsh but most of the time animals are NOT sedated. Do you want to take the time to bother reading what I wrote? 90% animals are used not for research on say cancer (they have rats bred for that) but rather as a subject for cosmetics companies. My sister in law is an animal rights lawyer and is on the board of inspectors that inspects these labs ..at least 80% have infractions upon surprise inspections ..everything from dying dogs left in cages in their own blood and filth to unsanitary conditions while performing surgery ..often with NO sedation
 
I have no problems with this procedure being done, i wouldn't have a problem with it being done without sedation, but that's just me.

If it's going to die who cares anyway, being sedated it feels nothing, when it dies it feels nothing.............overall it feels nothing so how can it be cruel?

I personally think humans have become far too soft, and please spare the "oh but we've changed" bullshit.
 
short recoil said:
I have no problems with this procedure being done, i wouldn't have a problem with it being done without sedation, but that's just me.

If it's going to die who cares anyway, being sedated it feels nothing, when it dies it feels nothing.............overall it feels nothing so how can it be cruel?

I personally think humans have become far too soft, and please spare the "oh but we've changed" bullshit.
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do you have a brain implant? you could become the perfect soldier.
 
15357 said:
do you have a brain implant? you could become the perfect soldier.
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No, i don't have a brain implant, i would require one to become a perfect soldier however, i don't follow orders otherwise.
 
Hey i don't know every situation which happens with these things. Perhaps there could be morons doing this without sedation, i don't know, but as the article goes he intends to use a sedative. I mean i can't see him not using one, getting the dog pinning him doing then opening him up in front of all those students. Yeah i know theres loads of morons out there who may doing this practice unlawfully, but as far as this goes in this situation he's going to be using a sedative. I'm not debating that animals that havent been anaesthetised should be stopped, that goes without saying, thats a wickedly cruel thing, and i would NEVER support anything like that. This situation, in front of students i'm saying would be lawful a with use of sedative.

And yes most comestic experiments on animals are not good, but as far as i'm aware this is in the name of teaching biological principles.
 
off topic: the Japaness used HUMANS for experiments, without sedatives.
 
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