Logic

"show my wrong words, show where i was not using sense...why can't nobody do this!?"



"i have to spread the word...if you're not a dipshit you should too..."

"some people doesn't deserve to be saved [by animal medical testing]!"

"You're the wuss here mecha...supported by your shitty functionalist naci theories [that people have been eating meat for millenia]."

"Idiots view the movie [made by PETA advocate Joaquin Phoenix and containing contextless images of dying animals as an indictment of "speciesism"] as some propaganda, real people at least try to condem such abuse. It's about Nacizm... you condem nacizm, right?"

"it is real and it is happening, this is the best evidence someone can get...video! [...] only idiots take this video as propaganda."


Ludah: "perhaps eloquently state a rationale against this behavior instead of using appeals to emotion."

Raeven0: "An authentic video of events is evidence of the following things:
1) Such events happen.
2) ..."

Mechagodzilla: "basing a worldview off of purely anecdotal evidence is plain stupid. [...] What we are talking about is whether the tactic of showing selectively edited abuse footage can be used as a valid logical argument.

The correct answer is that it can't, as it's Anecdotal Evidence that makes an Emotional Appeal towards Wisdom in Repugnace. (Those are, yes, logical fallacies by the way)"



"an answer to mecha...this probably aren't coincidences, this is mostlikely sistematic and often practiced."

Mecha: "'Systematic' would imply that an actual system exists designed purely to abuse animals."


"i found another "interesting" short video clip (no violence, safe to watch).
it shows a cow crying before death. [...] maybe before it died, it was saying something like..."pain, pain, pain, stop pain, stop pain, stop pain...BBAAMM...more pain, more pain, more pain...BBAAMM#2...more more pain, more more pain...SLICE..." or whatever comes next."

Ludah: "perhaps eloquently state a rationale against this behavior instead of using appeals to emotion."


"you don't often see people tie down other people and drive over them on a mass scale for fun or profit, do you?"

Mecha: "I [have] already pointed out that that [is] a red herring."


"[Mechagodzilla] labeld me as a conspiracy theorist, even when i said it a million times i'm not."

Earlier:

"It was really a terrorist attack, but the US gov saw a good oppurtunity to have its way, so they "accidentaly" ignored it.
This is called white crime my idiot friend!

I simply don't belive the worlds strongest nation could not shoot down two 747s!?"


"[...] i think [Mechagodzilla] is somewhat implying that i'm acting out on emotion not reason"

Mecha: "It's not implied. When every single thing you say in a post is a logical fallacy, it is a fact that you aren't being reasonable.

That's the definition of unreasonable: you fail to understand reason."
 
Double_Blade said:
Whatever ya say so....

Anyway, I had better things to do than to argue with that clown "Ludah".

Chao.

It's "Ciao" dumbass.

Or it Italy, I believe it's "Cao".
 
Persons with delusional disorder may suspect others of participating in elaborate master plots to persecute them. They believe that they are being poisoned, drugged, spied upon, or are the targets of conspiracies to ruin their reputations or even to kill them. They sometimes engage in litigation in an attempt to redress imagined injustices.

An unmistakable sign of paranoia is continual mistrust. People with paranoid personality disorder are constantly on their guard because they see the world as a threatening place. They tend to confirm their expectations by latching on to any speck of evidence that supports their suspicions and ignore or misinterpret any evidence to the contrary.They are ever watchful and may look around for signs of a threat.

Because persons with paranoid personality disorder are hyper alert, they notice any slight and may take offence where none is intended. As a result, they tend to be defensive and antagonistic. When they are at fault, they cannot accept blame, not even mild criticism. Yet they are highly critical of others.

Persons with grandiose delusions often feel that they have been endowed with special powers and that, if allowed to exercise these powers, they could cure diseases, banish poverty, ensure world peace, or perform other extraordinary feats.

http://www.hoptechno.com/paranoia.htm
 
Baxter said:
Persons [...] may [...] participating in elaborate master plots to persecute [...] y [...] o [...] u [...]
I knew it!
 
Mechagodzilla said:
"show my wrong words, show where i was not using sense...why can't nobody do this!?"



"i have to spread the word...if you're not a dipshit you should too..."

"some people doesn't deserve to be saved [by animal medical testing]!"

"You're the wuss here mecha...supported by your shitty functionalist naci theories [that people have been eating meat for millenia]."

"Idiots view the movie [made by PETA advocate Joaquin Phoenix and containing contextless images of dying animals as an indictment of "speciesism"] as some propaganda, real people at least try to condem such abuse. It's about Nacizm... you condem nacizm, right?"

"it is real and it is happening, this is the best evidence someone can get...video! [...] only idiots take this video as propaganda."


Ludah: "perhaps eloquently state a rationale against this behavior instead of using appeals to emotion."

Raeven0: "An authentic video of events is evidence of the following things:
1) Such events happen.
2) ..."

Mechagodzilla: "basing a worldview off of purely anecdotal evidence is plain stupid. [...] What we are talking about is whether the tactic of showing selectively edited abuse footage can be used as a valid logical argument.

The correct answer is that it can't, as it's Anecdotal Evidence that makes an Emotional Appeal towards Wisdom in Repugnace. (Those are, yes, logical fallacies by the way)"



"an answer to mecha...this probably aren't coincidences, this is mostlikely sistematic and often practiced."

Mecha: "'Systematic' would imply that an actual system exists designed purely to abuse animals."


"i found another "interesting" short video clip (no violence, safe to watch).
it shows a cow crying before death. [...] maybe before it died, it was saying something like..."pain, pain, pain, stop pain, stop pain, stop pain...BBAAMM...more pain, more pain, more pain...BBAAMM#2...more more pain, more more pain...SLICE..." or whatever comes next."

Ludah: "perhaps eloquently state a rationale against this behavior instead of using appeals to emotion."


"you don't often see people tie down other people and drive over them on a mass scale for fun or profit, do you?"

Mecha: "I [have] already pointed out that that [is] a red herring."


"[Mechagodzilla] labeld me as a conspiracy theorist, even when i said it a million times i'm not."

Earlier:

"It was really a terrorist attack, but the US gov saw a good oppurtunity to have its way, so they "accidentaly" ignored it.
This is called white crime my idiot friend!

I simply don't belive the worlds strongest nation could not shoot down two 747s!?"


"[...] i think [Mechagodzilla] is somewhat implying that i'm acting out on emotion not reason"

Mecha: "It's not implied. When every single thing you say in a post is a logical fallacy, it is a fact that you aren't being reasonable.

That's the definition of unreasonable: you fail to understand reason."



finaly...that is what i wanted! was it that hard!

1.yep i agree with the firs part mecha...those statments weren't too argumented! you got the emotion part...yes i admit and i'm sorry for being a prick!

2. if you would read my later posts you would see i presented some documented facts and a few exertions!

3. that cow was my opinion and not a claim so reason doesn't necceserily applies in this case!

4. conspiracy theorist...most of it was my opinion, but i do agree i was much less reasonable in that thread!

5. see #1


yes mecha you got some parts right!

one question tough, i think you didn't focus on the posts where i actually was being reasonable and where i argumented my point of view and some of your answers. so those early fallacies i made makes the other argumentes invalid even tough they were properly presented and argumented?

because i think it is very unfair of you to dissmiss the valid points because of previous unconnected mistakes.
 
You still haven't made any valid points. I just gave up after repeating everything you wrote in the first few pages of that thread.
I could go on for another ten or so pages, but I'm not a huge fan of overkill.

Why did I even need to quote this stuff?

All I did was re-write things that you've already written and read before.

If you had just read the first pages of that thread again, or just used your memory, you would have seen all the errors yourself (again) and saved everyone hours of repeating themselves while you sat there saying none of it ever happened.

Jesus.
 
Mechagodzilla said:
You still haven't made any valid points. I just gave up after repeating everything you wrote in the first few pages of that thread.
I could go on for another ten or so pages, but I'm not a huge fan of overkill.

Why did I even need to quote this stuff?

All I did was re-write things that you've already written and read before.

If you had just read the first pages of that thread again, or just used your memory, you would have seen all the errors yourself (again) and saved everyone hours of repeating themselves while you sat there saying none of it ever happened.

Jesus.

i'll give you that. the first posts were crap, yes. i apologize

please, would you be so kind to answer my previous question?
basicaly i'm asking if this debate can continue or does the mistake you pointed out make every further arguments i made invalid.
because i'm preety sure the latter weren't based on emotion which from my perspective makes them valid. but you are welcome to prove me wrong by showing proof of them being connected. because yes, an argument based on an illogical argument is not valid, i understand that.
 
Here's where my idea of per board bannings would come in handy.

Jverne, I don't think you should make any more threads in the Politics section if you don't know how to maturely handle an unsavory rebuttle.

It seems that as soon as you see somebody disagree with your views, and say so in a rather on-the-offense manner, you decide that they're insulting you personally and you start immaturely attacking the person, completely ignoring his arguments, views, and thusly, derailing the whole ****ing thread.
 
Jverne,

Question one.

Is it possible people will continue to cater to you and repeat every thing over and over again?

Yes it is possible; because it is possible the moon is made of cheese.

Question two.

Is it plausible?

No.
 
sinkoman said:
Here's where my idea of per board bannings would come in handy.

Jverne, I don't think you should make any more threads in the Politics section if you don't know how to maturely handle an unsavory rebuttle.

It seems that as soon as you see somebody disagree with your views, and say so in a rather on-the-offense manner, you decide that they're insulting you personally and you start immaturely attacking the person, completely ignoring his arguments, views, and thusly, derailing the whole ****ing thread.

As much as Jverne is irritating, the 'per-board' banning thing would only result in the fallout of arguments like this spreading beyond the politics forum.
 
sinkoman said:
It's "Ciao" dumbass.

Or it Italy, I believe it's "Cao".

It's also pronounced as Chao. Instead of calling people dumbass, maybe you should grow up, and hey, I think you're like 12 or 16 years old.
 
Oh wow. Double Blade telling others to grow up. That's some Grade A Irony.
 
Ludah said:
Oh wow. Double Blade telling others to grow up. That's some Grade A Irony.

You won't learn do you? How old are you?

First you dictate people's religions and snoop at it, what more can it happen?? Anyway, get a life.

By the way, if you excuse me, I had a lot of better things to do than to reason with you thick-skulled man. Off to the ignore list then.
 
Yes, because I was totally dictating people's faiths, being a real fascist. I don't know "what more can it happen", but I'm sure it's pretty big.

Would these "better things" include forming an armed militia to fend off the impending Satan Dog massacre?
 
Double_Blade said:
You won't learn do you? How old are you?

First you dictate people's religions and snoop at it, what more can it happen?? Anyway, get a life.

By the way, if you excuse me, I had a lot of better things to do than to reason with you thick-skulled man. Off to the ignore list then.

Shows how small you are.

Can't man up to his attacks, gotta hide from them.

And whatever happened to leaving the thread?

If you say something, you should be able to back it up. Otherwise, you're just throwing immature words around.
 
99.vikram said:
Stop the madness!!! ;(

No problems, I will stop this before everything else turns ugly. Anyway, sinkoman and Ludah, enjoy talking to yourself, both of you had been ignored!
 
Double_Blade said:
No problems, I will stop this before everything else turns ugly. Anyway, sinkoman and Ludah, enjoy talking to yourself, both of you had been ignored!

So, waddaya wanna talk about Ludah :|

And Vikram, you do realize that Double_Blade said "OH NOES I'M GIONG TO LAEAVE THE THRESD" a few posts back, but for god knows why, he kept comming back.
 
Ludah said:
Yes, because I was totally dictating people's faiths, being a real fascist. I don't know "what more can it happen", but I'm sure it's pretty big.

Would these "better things" include forming an armed militia to fend off the impending Satan Dog massacre?

You make fascism sound really bad..... :(

Commie.

No problems, I will stop this before everything else turns ugly. Anyway, sinkoman and Ludah, enjoy talking to yourself, both of you had been ignored!

What an awesome tactic, run away from those who try to debate with you.
 
15357 said:
What an awesome tactic, run away from those who try to debate with you.

He must have studied from the "Bush Administration's School of Logic and Debate".
 
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