Looking forward to DNF?

[subtlesnake]

That's why I never made that claim

However, it seems a bit strange that they can attract high quality talent with sub par salaries.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

There's 3 sides to every story - your side, my side and the truth.

I suspect the truth lies somewhere between the blog entry and George's responses.

 

[mortiz]

To be fair I'd take George's account over the blog entry, since I have no idea who's blog is actually is. If the blog writer would come out and actually tell us who he is and when he worked for 3DR so we could verify it I would take it more seriously.

 

[Absinthe]

To be fair I'd take George's account over the blog entry, since I have no idea who's blog is actually is. If the blog writer would come out and actually tell us who he is and when he worked for 3DR so we could verify it I would take it more seriously.

That's the kind of exposure I don't think he'd particularly like.

 

[Syntaxn]

Would be very interesting to hear what some ex-employees have to say about Valve, id...... :stare:

 

[Zerox]

That journal made me laugh and the pathetic person behind it is too afraid to reveal his name.

 

[Absinthe]

That journal made me laugh and the pathetic person behind it is too afraid to reveal his name.

Why would it be pathetic to remain anonymous? There's hardly a great inclination for developers to hire people who have a history of bitching about their partners.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

That's kind of the whole point of anonymity. Knowing where he works now, it's not really the kind of thing he'd want his employers to know about.

 

[mortiz]

He can stay anonymous for all I care, but while he is anonymous I'm not going to take it seriously. I could start up an anonymous blog right now and say how when I used to work for VALVe Gabe used to sexually harass me. Just so long as I remain anonymous I could be any ex-Valve employee.

It may sound ridiculous, but to me blogs are just entertaining reads that don't mean anything unless someone is willing to put their name to it and their reputation on the line. Then I know there could possibly be some truth in it.

 

[Absinthe]

I know the guy in question - he's definitely worked there.

:\

sixchar

 

[subtlesnake]

Worked where though? HH or 3DR?

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

this is a little much, if they make good games in the end.. I dont care if some random disgruntled ex employee slags them

 

[kirovman]

this is a little much, if they make good games in the end.. I dont care if some random disgruntled ex employee slags them

Well time will be the judge of that.

But for now it's just good old fashioned bitching and complaining.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

- 3DR think their customers are idiots. This has in large part become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Not many people can control a protagonist named "Max Payne" and not have their intelligence insulted. Max Payne. Duke Nukem. Lo Wang. Tommy Hawk. These are punchlines to fourth grade schoolyard jokes, but step into the 3DR reality distortion field and they'll tell you they are all "winning brands" that were "carefully constructed with maximum hit potential in mind". Which is to say, they think they've discovered the magic formula for selling product to the Homer Simpsons of the world.

Thats a bit harsh, I loved Max Payne

 

[Doppelgofer]

me too ...max payne was absolutley amazing. even if he was an ex-employee, hes obviously a bitter asshole and what he has to say doesn't deserve to be read

 

[Gray Fox]

Here is broussards post on this in the 3dralms forums:

Most of that journal is just negative opinion on things that are facts (like our game content and character names). You don't have to like that and it's all opinion.

The stripper thing is an outright lie. But even if it wasn't it wouldn't be a big deal.

The issue with people's advances is completely 3rd hand info and taken out of context. Very few people have *ever* taken advances on future royalties, and those that did, never had that money recouped from them when they left, even though we had the right to do so. We ate the cost in every case. There were a couple of isolated cases where people wanted more salary than we were willing to pay them, so to be fair to others, we set up some of their salary as advances. They agreed to that themselves and accepted it, and we never recouped the money, so in the end they got what they wanted and nobody was hurt. And that was in, I think, 2-3 isolated cases.

This guy just doesn't like us and his LJ post is nothing more than random negative opinions about things weve been involved with.

On the positive side, we've protected and fostered teams like Remedy and Human Head from publishers, and funded both games for millions of dollars to ensure that a publisher has no control over them. That's not very evil, imo. Is it self serving, so we get another game? Sure. It's business.

His other points, being that we're slow and haven't made an internal game since Shadow Warrior are all true. But do they matter? Nope. Not one bit. You can gather up 10 negative things to say about any company if you want to. If our greatest sin is that we're slow and we made some really stupid decisions, then I can live with that.

So yeah, we're pretty much just amused by this because it's so angry over things that are either 1) lies or 2) gross misunderstandings of 2nd or 3rd hand information or 3) just personal opinions about the kinds of games we make and how long we take to make them.

We're not nearly as evil and devious as that post makes us out to be.

Anyone that reads this and takes a negative opionion of us, already had one, because even if that whole journal was true, it's hardly that negative in the grand scheme of things. This is just someone with a really big chip on their shoulder and an axe to grind.

Edited by George Broussard (05/15/05 03:29 PM)

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Nope a humble games developer...humble as in he doesn't hype up or even reveal who he's working for.

Pi = G-man

haha, definatlely not a word i'd put together with Pi's personality.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

When you're this good, why be humble?

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

When you're this good, why be humble?

preach brotha.

 

[venturon]

Looking forward to DNF? Not even Hubble could see that far.

 

[kirovman]

Looking forward to DNF? Not even Hubble could see that far.

Ba-dum-Chh!

Oh yeah? Well yo Momma so fat that when she walks in the front door she goes out the back door!

 

[NikolaX]

LOL

btw, did you see murphy's stand up comedy , before he did Cop movies ?
it is ROFL ...

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I wasn't looking forwards to DNF because I found Duke 3D to be extremely lame - when I was eleven.

Now that I know that they also made Lo Wang: Shadow Warrior, and now Tommy Hawk: Prey Something, it's all the more lame.
Next it'll probably be Corn Bread, the affable negroid. :/

Good job on inventing Max Payne, the generic guy in a coat. But otherwise, I'm not seeing anything to look forwards to.

If that debatable stuff is fake, It's not enough to put 3DR in a good light for me.
But if it's true, it'll be icing on the big shite-cake.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Next it'll probably be Corn Bread, the affable negroid. :/

lmao!!!


oh and most of what he said is apparantly true. It's hardly a case of sour grapes neither, IIRC he's doing well for himself right now.

 

[Adidajs]

I wasn't looking forwards to DNF because I found Duke 3D to be extremely lame - when I was eleven.

ok, good. i thought i was the only person who felt that way. it's like NASCAR here in the states. soooo many people watch and enjoy it and i feel like i'm missing something. i just don't understand the interest in watching cars run around in circles for several hours. and it looks like other people with agree me

 

[Sir Phoenixx]

Me too... I really don't get why it's so popular, it's just a couple dozen cars, that all look the same with the exception of their colors and what advertisements they have, that go around an oval(ish) track, which don't have right turns, corners, etc. if boring was a sport, NASCAR would be it.

NASCAR really needs to be replaced with sport/super car racing. (Sport/Super car racing with Vipers, Corvettes, Porsche 911s, Saleen S7s, Ferraris, etc. would be/is much better.)

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

DNF isn't a game anymore, it's an impossible dream that we all hold dear in our hearts. DNF is whatever you want it to be, like the Holy Grail.