M4 better with silenter on in cz and CS:S
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Incorrect.
Silencer = the exact same. It's really a preference, it doesn't do anything. Some people will swear and say "the silencer has less recoil!" when infact, it does nothing to your recoil.
I find the shots with a silenced M4 tend to not register as much.. so I use unsilenced
Silencer = the exact same. It's really a preference, it doesn't do anything. Some people will swear and say "the silencer has less recoil!" when infact, it does nothing to your recoil.
I find the shots with a silenced M4 tend to not register as much.. so I use unsilenced
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Silencer on you get better accuracy close up and its silent but at range the shots do less damage and the recoil is greater after less shots.
its the opposite with silencer off. less recoil over more shots from farther out, no silence, and more damage.
dont listen to what these idiots are telling you about how its all in your head. its documented in the ****in cs manual www.counter-strike.net.
by you know...the people who made the game.
its the opposite with silencer off. less recoil over more shots from farther out, no silence, and more damage.
dont listen to what these idiots are telling you about how its all in your head. its documented in the ****in cs manual www.counter-strike.net.
by you know...the people who made the game.
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Its not as accurate with the silencer on.
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Less recoil translates to better accuracy. do try and keep up/bliink said:
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John Romero said:
Wow. Just wow.
Besides actually PLAYING the game and testing this.. there's a site that's dedicated to ripping CS apart and showing what is and isn't there. They proved that, in reality, the silencer has absolutely no effect on recoil over non-silenced.
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that doesnt make any sense AT ALL.
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I like to think it's a metal placebo that you put on the end of a gun.....it also sounds cooler.
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biggest advantage is that since the fixed the muzzle flash the m4 when silenced akes no flash from firing alolowing you to be consealed in dust tunnel to the nubs that don't know how to turn their brightness up
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i'd could be mistaking.. but the silencer should make it less accurate..CB | Para said:
because of the silencer the barrel gets longer, ther recoil stays the same so the bullet will have to deal with the same recoil in a longer barrel.. witch should cause it to bend...atleast that should happen in reallife physics.
if my post isn't clear...
with a longer barrel the bullets need to travel further with the same recoil witch causes it to go higher then originally aimed..
:dozey: this would be so much easier with a drawing
conclusion: i think the silencer makes the M4 less accurate then without according to reallife physics..
also when you look at the crosschair.. when completly still and swap between silenced and unsilenced. the crosschair becomes larger when silenced meaning it is less accurate right?
CB | Para said:
LoL you guys need to know about how guns work before you start spouting about stuff that is pretty techniquel, Not just saying this to you Para.
A silencer has no rifling, that is the groves that spiral towards the end of the barrel, inside of the barrel ( barrel barrel barrel
). So a silencer will not help towards the accuracy of the bullet. It actually decreases accuracy, but not greatly.Personally i prefer silenced, i dont see any great difference between the two ingame, and in fact yesterday i was watching someone in spectate, where he was beinhd 4 enemies, and he started opening fire with an M4, he killd one but the other three heard, turned around and shot him. Had he had a silencer he would easily bin able to kill 3 if not all of them.
but because it is a computer game, its just a matter of opinion. Perhaps someone should mail VALVe and ask what is the difference. Although, i would have thought that the silencer doesnt do anything ingame, except making the gun silent, because 1)Its not as powerfull as the AK47 and 2)It costs a lot more, ( around $100 more is'nt it? ). So why would you want to pay so much more for a gun that is'nt as good. I think your paying the extra ( not including the real life availabilty and supply of the AK47 effecting the price ) just for the extra silencer.
iF.
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OMG tomato to mat to potato po tat to who knows.........I use silenced all the time. In the begining of the round I will use unsilenced during Ts rushing and if im the only one left, then I will throw on the silencer to not give away my location. You do not need better recoil. It only takes one bullet to get a headshot so do it right the first time. The best thing to do is to start your own server, go up to a wall and unload with the silencer on then unload with the silencer off right next to it, Then try it at a distance. The bullet spray on the wall will give you an idea. Maybe some one could do it and post pics. There has to be a bored SOB here somewhere.......
ok if a longer barrel makes recoil effect it more then why are snipers LONG... yes thats right LONG. and why are sawed off SHORTER shotguns ilegal...
omg you guys don't think.
its more accurate because it has more time to spin and stabilize the projectile.
but as for the game I'm not quite sure.
omg you guys don't think.
its more accurate because it has more time to spin and stabilize the projectile.
but as for the game I'm not quite sure.
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it was said above that the silencer did not have rifling or grooves in it, so it doesn't enhance the accuracy of the bullet at all, if I'm not very much mistaken.Bigcheese said:
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Bullseye said:i'd could be mistaking.. but the silencer should make it less accurate..
because of the silencer the barrel gets longer, ther recoil stays the same so the bullet will have to deal with the same recoil in a longer barrel.. witch should cause it to bend...atleast that should happen in reallife physics.
if my post isn't clear...
with a longer barrel the bullets need to travel further with the same recoil witch causes it to go higher then originally aimed..
:dozey: this would be so much easier with a drawing
conclusion: i think the silencer makes the M4 less accurate then without according to reallife physics..
also when you look at the crosschair.. when completly still and swap between silenced and unsilenced. the crosschair becomes larger when silenced meaning it is less accurate right?
Yup in the game silenced is more innaccurat than not silenced.
But about the theory I think IchiFish had the right idea, only I have a little question to both of you:
(1)For exemple you have usp and a usp match, the match is more accorat because it has a weight on it at the aned of a barrel, well doesent a silenced do that to.
(2) When you ahve a silencer the bullet stays longer in the barrel and so has more time to accelerate right, cause after it leaves it there is no more pressure behind it to accelerate it, so wouldn't that make it more accurate, because ithe faster it go's the less impact wind has on it over the same distance.
(3) Does any body know why silencers don't have any groves on the inside.
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The Terminator said:
Your words are covered in crap because your talking out of your ass.
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fuzzy_aus said:
Sometimes you don't need to be quiet or stealthy, so why bother? It's a neat little extra feature, people like being stealthy sometimes, but other times they wanna be gung ho and run in with loud guns blazing.
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i just tested it and got the following result:
if you do only 1 shot, it's a little bit more accurate without(!) silencer, BUT it takes much longer to recover! so if you shoot a whole mag with silencer there will be a normal till low spreading but without silencer you wont be abled to hit SHIT!
if you do only 1 shot, it's a little bit more accurate without(!) silencer, BUT it takes much longer to recover! so if you shoot a whole mag with silencer there will be a normal till low spreading but without silencer you wont be abled to hit SHIT!
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pixartist said:
Well i said that because when I put on the silencer the crosshair becomes larger and because I practised once on a map on my own, I crouched stood still, sprayed from 2 meter to a wall with silencer and without and with did spray more, but yes i do think thats strange because I can remember I read once on CSnation that with silencer there is less initial accuracy, so you can't snipe that good, but the silencer makes it more accurat when spraying, but as I said, my own tests showed otherwise.
How about you try that, and let me know what you're own conclusion is, and how about a link to those interviews you mentioned, anybody else is welcome to to give me links.
I see you tested it while I typed, well give the links if you can please
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Yeah thats the same experience I've had exept aiming without the silencer under full recoil isn't that bad. hehpixartist said:
I generally perfer non-silenced unless I am actually trying to not draw attention to myself.
The way I used to think of it as was Silenced makes everything less.
Less recoil, less accuracy, less noise, and less damage.
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razorblade kiss said:
wow..that was intelligent.
a good friend of mine runs a shooting range. when i see her later this week, i will ask her for the truth in this matter.
i rifle hunt. my rifle has a silencer attachment. my father has the same gun, but a different(and larger) silencer. I am more accurate, than my father, but it has nothing to do with the silencer, but because he needs glasses. But when i use his rifle, i am more accuratethan with my own. The extra weight of the silencer (3.3lbs) and the curve on the inside help reduce recoil. Every barrel, wether it be silencer or not, has a curvature from the machining process, unless the silencer is baffled. A baffled silencer will reduce accuracy as it uses the air from inside the barrel to muffle the sound.
So, the only way to answer this question accurately, is to know the type of silencer.
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Asus said:Yeah thats the same experience I've had exept aiming without the silencer under full recoil isn't that bad. heh
I generally perfer non-silenced unless I am actually trying to not draw attention to myself.
The way I used to think of it as was Silenced makes everything less.
Less recoil, less accuracy, less noise, and less damage.
i did not crouch...try shooting a full mag unsilenced while standing ^^ you wont find the bullet holes
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Putting a silencer on when firing supersonic bullets still helps but obviously wont be completely quiet due to the noise the moving parts of the gun makes and also the loud cracking sound the bullet makes when it breaks the sound barrier.
People are getting recoil confused with accuracy in this thread too.
Longer barrels do mean increased accuracy
Recoil is also slightly affected by the barrel lenght but Recoil is mostly defined by the ammunitition which is fired ie: bigger bullets = more recoil.
Silencers arent an extension of the barrel, just an extra piece of equipment which can be fitted. As well as reducing the speed of the bullet slightly ( and power ) they can also make the gun less accurate than it would have been if it were fired unsilenced.
Having said all that, this is a game and therefore real life has no bearing on how the game actually works at the end of the day it works how it was. It would be nice to see some definitive proof though
People are getting recoil confused with accuracy in this thread too.
Longer barrels do mean increased accuracy
Recoil is also slightly affected by the barrel lenght but Recoil is mostly defined by the ammunitition which is fired ie: bigger bullets = more recoil.
Silencers arent an extension of the barrel, just an extra piece of equipment which can be fitted. As well as reducing the speed of the bullet slightly ( and power ) they can also make the gun less accurate than it would have been if it were fired unsilenced.
Having said all that, this is a game and therefore real life has no bearing on how the game actually works
at the end of the day it works how it was. It would be nice to see some definitive proof though 
