Magnetic Sheilding, umm, Oh noes.

[clarky003]

A rotor made with curved offset magnets, (or just offset magnets in some cases)

experimenting with shielding , its possible to localise field leakage,

and if highly permiable (conducts magnetic flux well) shielding is used in the right places you can stop the neutralising affect of a magnet when in close proximity at like poles to another,

essentially focusing the repelling effect and getting rid of unwanted neutralising field flux that stems from the opposite pole on the other side of the magnet..

heres an experiment you guys can try, if you can obtain the materials , have fun.

http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/possible_self_sustaining_permanent_magnet_motor.htm

 

[Neutrino]

Magnetic shielding won't work for those purposes because all known materials that shield magnetic forces interact with those forces themselves, thus negating their intended effect.

Also, I think that kind of motor design stems from a fundamental misunderstanding about permanent magnets and how they work.

Basically, good luck to anyone who tries it.


You'll need it.

 

[clarky003]

I think present comprehension of magnetic's is fundementally misunderstood.

the shielding doesnt weaken the field, it redirect's it, restraining its effectual distance conducting the flux lines, giving them a tight enough profile around the magnet, so the forces dont interact where required, stopping the neutralising effect and focusing the repelling effect at a required distance, depending on the grade of shielding material.

 

[blahblahblah]

I'd bite, but where are the schematics? And how much does it cost?

 

[clarky003]

you need schematic's for something as simple as that?, all you need to do is read how its set up, you can measure the angle of the magnets just from that image, if you want one that size then you print it off and measure it up.

cost is upto you... how big you want to build it.. upto you. material costs, Neodynium Iron Boron magnets, curved like that, who knows.

shielding material can be found. if you do a search on copernic there are plenty of companies selling the stuff.

 

[blahblahblah]

you need schematic's for something as simple as that?, all you need to do is read how its set up, you can measure the angle of the magnets just from that image, if you want one that size then you print it off and measure it up.

cost is upto you... how big you want to build it.. upto you. material costs, Neodynium Iron Boron magnets, curved like that, who knows.

shielding material can be found. if you do a search on copernic there are plenty of companies selling the stuff.

It's a motor right? That means certain configurations will work better than others. If that link is telling the truth (which I doubt), it would provide more data. We don't know if it is a motor or just a perpetual motion device or what.

You don't throw a bunch of curved magnets and some magnetic shielding and expect it to go. Common now, you should know better than that clarky003.

 

[clarky003]

i didnt say that... but if you read the page, neither does he expect that to be the case for anyone trying.

its a case of experimenting with the infrastructure of the setup, its worth a lookin if you have the time.. im doing it a totally different way (like Perendev), but why should theory stop you from trying it..? if you ask me 'theory' as it is today is there to be tested .

 

[Neutrino]

I think present comprehension of magnetic's is fundementally misunderstood.

I agree, many lay people do misunderstand them. Science understands them reasonably well though. You see, magnets are not an energy source. Yes, they produce magnetic field lines which can exert a force, but that does not mean they contain energy.

Without an energy input you cannot move an object with a permanent magnet. That is what is misunderstood about them.

the shielding doesnt weaken the field, it redirect's it, restraining its effectual distance conducting the flux lines, giving them a tight enough profile around the magnet, so the forces dont interact where required, stopping the neutralising effect and focusing the repelling effect at a required distance, depending on the grade of shielding material.

"the shielding doesnt weaken the field, it redirect's it"

Exactly. It doesn't weaken them it redirects them. By doing so the shielding material itself interacts with the magnetic forces with an equal and opposite reaction. You can't magically get rid of the forces involved. It doesn't work that way.

I'll tell you what, I will personally pay a hundred bucks to anyone who can get a motor to run off nothing but permanent magnets.

But luckily the laws of physics are still in effect so I'll be keeping my money.

 

[clarky003]

yup, like i said it doesnt get rid of the forces, what it does is restrict their effectual distance , so certain flux lines dont interact, and certain areas do at a set distance,, thus allowing you to prevent neutralising interaction at that distance, and allow the pure repelling forces to interact.Allowing the magnets in the rotor to pass the stator magnets and repel freely.

you must beable to understand that.

 

[Jakeic]

if you put a magnet inside a spool of wire, doesn't the wire gain an electric charge?

 

[The Mullinator]

if you put a magnet inside a spool of wire, doesn't the wire gain an electric charge?

The spool of wire has to be spun first to generate anything.

 

[Neutrino]

The spool of wire has to be spun first to generate anything.

Heh, I think that was his point. Magnets don't contain energy.

yup, like i said it doesnt get rid of the forces, what it does is restrict their effectual distance , so certain flux lines dont interact, and certain areas do at a set distance,, thus allowing you to prevent neutralising interaction at that distance, and allow the pure repelling forces to interact.Allowing the magnets in the rotor to pass the stator magnets and repel freely.

you must beable to understand that.

No, I don't understand it because it doesn't work. No matter how you shield it with current technology the forces will always balance out, and it won't move. In other words those shields will always interact with the forces from both magnets, canceling out the effect that you want to achieve.

Like I said, if you disagree then try to build one. I absolutely gurantee it will not work. I even offered a hundred bucks.

 

[clarky003]

thats the idea, you dont hook this upto a generator, you put it on a cylinder spindal, on a magnetic bearing, wrap spools of wire around certain sections, let the magnets in the rotor spin the frame on the Magnetic bearing, and another series of magnets is placed around the frame between outer and inner spool coils, voila, you have a rotor and generator combined.

edit: ill take that offer on one hundred bucks, cause perendev got his motor to work with his shielding, and I think I know how he did it.

http://www.americanantigravity.com/perendev.shtml

if you watch the video clips you can see the nylon shielding jackets over the magents in there offest slot, with a slight overlapped lip to it, looks like the nylon jacket was injected with shielding material. and nylon itself has certain inhibiting effect's.

and if you get to like poles with neodynium magnets as ive tried... you can try and push them together but they wont go, however if you use some shielding matrial, 1 mm thick, the like poles can easily be placed at 1mm apart on either side of the strip, with no repelling resistance whatsoever facing each other, the flux is redirected and doesnt want to interact anymore, it just conducts itself into the shielding, which proves you can change the interaction distances,

if you can do that, you can change the neutralising distance, if you can do that you can expose the repelling flux, and shield the rest, allowing you to get the magnets close enough to repel without the neutralising effect taking place, which ensures a smooth pass and repelling action when it comes back round.

 

[Neutrino]

edit: ill take that offer on one hundred bucks, cause perendev got his motor to work with his shielding, and I think I know how he did it.

http://www.americanantigravity.com/perendev.shtml

if you watch the video clips you can see the nylon shielding jackets over the magents in there offest slot, with a slight overlapped lip to it, looks like the nylon jacket was injected with shielding material. and nylon itself has certain inhibiting effect's.

I don't think perendev actually did anything. Sounds like a hoax to me. Not to mention the fact that in their videos they wouldn't show the whole machine. That wasn't very scientific of them. They conveniently cut off the other end of the axle which was probably connected to an actual motor to get the thing to spin.

But if you think you know how to do it, go for it. The hundred bucks is of course still up for grabs to anyone who can do it.

How about you pay me a hundred bucks if you can't get it to work though? I think that's only fair really.

 

[clarky003]

lol, im slightly sceptical,, but thats one expensively well built hoax, if you think it is. each rotor and stator part is clearly plastic injection moulded, (not cheap)

and the metal frame work and craftsmenship is excellent. and why scam something like this...? they would just end up getting caught out, and then end up in jail.

and no one invests in stuff like this, if they dont see it working first, so there you go.

about the hundred bucks.. ill sleep on it

and if your so sceptical about it, why not email Mike Brady who made the device, the email link is on the Americanantigravity link i posted.

 

[Neutrino]

lol, im slightly sceptical,, but thats one expensively well built hoax, if you think it is. each rotor and stator part is clearly plastic injection moulded, (not cheap)

and the metal frame work and craftsmenship is excellent. and why scam something like this...? they would just end up getting caught out, and then end up in jail.

and no one invests in stuff like this, if they dont see it working first, so there you go.

I don't know why they would do it, but it's one of those things they could easily prove and yet they don't. If they actually had that technology it would be simple to show and prove it works. Heck, I'd even be a lot less skeptical if they would have just shown the whole machine and walked around it to prove nothing else was connected to it. But the fact they couldn't even do that much doesn't bode well for the validity of the claim.

But the main reason I'm sure it's a hoax is that their machine violates several rather important laws of physics. But that's just a minor detail of course.

 

[clarky003]

I don't know why they would do it, but it's one of those things they could easily prove and yet they don't. If they actually had that technology it would be simple to show and prove it works. Heck, I'd even be a lot less skeptical if they would have just shown the whole machine and walked around it to prove nothing else was connected to it. But the fact they couldn't even do that much doesn't bode well for the validity of the claim.

like i said a post before, email the guy who invented it, Mike brady, the email link is on the American antigravity link i posted.

yup physic's laws are very much a minor problem, because thats all they are, human laws, established a while ago, and they are there to be broken if they can be simply because we didnt make the universe... why thats so unbelievable to some people i dont know.

 

[Neutrino]

like i said a post before, email the guy who invented it, Mike brady, the email link is on the American antigravity link i posted.

Ok, I'll do that.

But what's he gonna do? How's he going to prove it?

 

[clarky003]

Ok, I'll do that.

But what's he gonna do? How's he going to prove it?

umm how do I know that.. just be polite FGS

 

[Neutrino]

umm how do I know that.. just be polite FGS

Of course I'll be polite.

What I mean is that if he could prove it to me he already would have done so on the website. But they haven't offered any proof on their website so I don't see him being able to offer it to a random person that e-mails him.

I'll do it none-the-less, though I don't see what good it will do.

 

[clarky003]

hehe, neither do I, but I accept that what im seeing is valid, just because the alternative is possibly more impossible,

just from the sheer amount of work they appear to have put into it, and the authenticity of the appearance and idea behind it, plus my intuition tells me its genuine for some reason, and we have our laws wrong, or incomplete.

 

[Neutrino]

hehe, neither do I, but I accept that what im seeing is valid, just because the alternative is possibly more impossible just from the sheer amount of work they appear to have put into it.

Hehe, I consider violating laws of physics just a might bit more impossible than the unlikely motives behind a perpetual motion device hoax.

 

[clarky003]

fair enough, time will tell.

 

[dream431ca]

That would be very hard to set up..but very interesting to see.

 

[DavE0r]

tbh, we havent even scratched the surface of technology.

I mean society, deems it ncessary to have all these learned people such as scientists put at the forefront of our tehcnological devolpement. I mean some of the greatest inventions have been made by normal people...and coincidentally TOTALLY by accident. I mean Xrays.. fair enough, (god whats theire names) were experimenting with other chemicals..but the fact that some liquid got accidentally mixed, still deems it a fluke!!

Were all bound by these "pre-conceptions" about how the world works. I mean..how do we know these are all real? how do we know the people that supposedly "discovered" these theorys are right at all, We dont..thats why they still remain theorys. One invention that now comes to mind is the "Xylo" (think thats how you spell it) well anyways have a look on a gadget site. Its basically a tube, with some slits cut in to it, and when you throw it, i mean i have one..it dont half go, i mean i have clearned a football pitch with really no effort. And when the inventor went to NASA when it was in proto-type, and asked could he have information on how cylinders fly..they replied with

"they dont"

just goes to show doesnt it!