man shoots kid for stepping on lawn

Listen to the audio. It sends chills up your spine.
 
Damn, never walk on someone's lawn if you're asked not to.

I hate whackjobs.
 
I don't consider him a "whackjob", I mean I know I don't know him or anything, but from the descriptions (which I know are usually rather biased anyway) seem to depict him as a normal, cheerful old man, just a little obsessive with his yard. And he's rather calm afterwards, admits to it, the fact he doesn't seem to show remorse could be shock. I think that anger just got the better of him, and he snapped, happened to have a gun so he shot the kid.

Not going to get into the whole debate on gun control, but you can't help and think what would have happened if he didn't have a gun.
 
SimonomiS said:
Not going to get into the whole debate on gun control, but you can't help and think what would have happened if he didn't have a gun.
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Nothing at all?
 
SimonomiS said:
I don't consider him a "whackjob", I mean I know I don't know him or anything, but from the descriptions (which I know are usually rather biased anyway) seem to depict him as a normal, cheerful old man, just a little obsessive with his yard. And he's rather calm afterwards, admits to it, the fact he doesn't seem to show remorse could be shock. I think that anger just got the better of him, and he snapped, happened to have a gun so he shot the kid.

Not going to get into the whole debate on gun control, but you can't help and think what would have happened if he didn't have a gun.
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He had a shotgun.. and he shot some kid to death for screwin up his lawn..
I think by definition that makes him a whackjob

Not to mention, he's been having disputes on the subject for almost 3 years
I'd imagine it wasn't a spur of the moment type thing...
Especially since he had the gun there...
 
Ennui said:
jesus christ. so, gun control, anyone?
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From my cold, dead hands.

If you'd like I can go like I have time and time again and pull up the same statistics that show such laws enacting don't do anything to help the situation, and in fact the passing of concealed carry laws drop street crimes by a significant percentage.

Nevermind if my family hadn't been armed in the past we could've been robbed blind/killed. Let's be swayed by a single case into making a dumbass decision.

Just like terrorism made the UK government make a stupid decision and pass compulsory ID cards.
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
From my cold, dead hands.

If you'd like I can go like I have time and time again and pull up the same statistics that show such laws enacting don't do anything to help the situation, and in fact the passing of concealed carry laws drop street crimes by a significant percentage.

Nevermind if my family hadn't been armed in the past we could've been robbed blind/killed. Let's be swayed by a single case into making a dumbass decision.

Just like terrorism made the UK government make a stupid decision and pass compulsory ID cards.
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/applaud
 
Honestly, it sounds like the kid was a little **** anyway.

In the 911 call, Martin, a retired Ford Motor Co. worker with no criminal record, allegedly told the dispatcher that Mugrage had been "making the other kids harass me and my place, tearing things up."
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Whilst I don't advocate murdering him, come on, it's not like he's completely innocent.
 
guns disgust me and i don't give two shits about statistics or robbery or crap like that. there are very few more repulsive things on this planet than guns, whether you consider them a tool or symbol.
 
Kangy said:
Honestly, it sounds like the kid was a little **** anyway.
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Yeh, theres no reason to kill anyone though but I can't help but think that the old guy was been harassed pretty badly.
 
Ennui said:
guns disgust me and i don't give two shits about statistics or robbery or crap like that. there are very few more repulsive things on this planet than guns, whether you consider them a tool or symbol.
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Whether you like it or not, guns created this country. They created most/all of them for that matter.
 
OvA said:
Whether you like it or not, guns created this country. They created most/all of them for that matter.
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Yeah, and it's disgusting the way a lot of countries were founded
Age old debate, no use getting into again, but I agree completely with Ennui
And don't let a "single case" sway people into "making a dumbass decision"? Single case? Are you serious?
 
OvA said:
Whether you like it or not, guns created this country. They created most/all of them for that matter.
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and look where we are now!

don't get into an argument with me when it comes to violence, i'm absolutely appalled that it's considered civilized to waltz up to another country (coughiraq), point a gun at them and say 'surrender or we kill you'. and kill several hundred thousand people. for what? for nothing.

i refuse to listen to reason when my morals tell me reason is bullshit.
 
IonizeMyAtoms said:
Yeah, and it's disgusting the way a lot of countries were founded
Age old debate, no use getting into again, but I agree completely with Ennui
And don't let a "single case" sway people into "making a dumbass decision"? Single case? Are you serious?
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You can take guns away from ordinary citizens. Criminals are going to get their hands on them one way or another.
 
OvA said:
You can take guns away from ordinary citizens. Criminals are going to get their hands on them one way or another.
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April 1st- OvA makes a post that actually has some reasoning behind it.
 
OvA said:
You can take guns away from ordinary citizens. Criminals are going to get their hands on them one way or another.
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And that would have prevented this case.

I have no idea on statistics or anything, and I sit on the fence for gun control, but if guns were restricted and ordinary citizens couldn't buy guns, then this wouldn't have happened.
 
Ennui said:
guns disgust me and i don't give two shits about statistics or robbery or crap like that. there are very few more repulsive things on this planet than guns, whether you consider them a tool or symbol.
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If you're not going to equate logic into your policies in any way PLEASE don't push them then.

SimonomiS said:
And that would have prevented this case.

I have no idea on statistics or anything, and I sit on the fence for gun control, but if guns were restricted and ordinary citizens couldn't buy guns, then this wouldn't have happened.
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This specific incident may not have, but then you take into account all the other things that would/wouldn't happen too, on a full scale, and it's a worse situation.
 
Ennui said:
and look where we are now!

don't get into an argument with me when it comes to violence, i'm absolutely appalled that it's considered civilized to waltz up to another country (coughiraq), point a gun at them and say 'surrender or we kill you'. and kill several hundred thousand people. for what? for nothing.

i refuse to listen to reason when my morals tell me reason is bullshit.
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he'd just use an axe or some shit if he didnt have a gun. what a crybaby.
 
Ennui said:
and look where we are now!

don't get into an argument with me when it comes to violence, i'm absolutely appalled that it's considered civilized to waltz up to another country (coughiraq), point a gun at them and say 'surrender or we kill you'. and kill several hundred thousand people. for what? for nothing.

i refuse to listen to reason when my morals tell me reason is bullshit.
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Guns don't have morals. Are you against swords just as much? Are you against all weapons, period?

You aren't putting logic behind your actions and taking into account everything that'd happen. You're looking at ONE incident and demand a policy that would make far MORE horrible incidents happen than would if it didn't.


http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm
 
Gun control isn't the problem here. The old man had a shotgun which is fine, imo. He was probably a hunter. There wouldn't really be another answer because if you wanted to murder someone, you'd buy a handgun. The problem is that he shot a fifteen year old. What could have prevented it? Not much.
 
I think it is far too late for any gun control policy to be effective today in the uS. There are just far too many guns on the street already, getting one is easy as nothing. Any gun control should have been enacted looong ago if it was, by now they're just too readily available on the black market...
 
The shotgun wounds were probably gruesome, but if he hadn't had a shotgun, he might have used something much more heinous. Lawnmower, perhaps? Gun control or no, that guy snapped.
 
What... you get in a fight with a lawnmower?

:X
 
Please somebody say April fools. :(

I don't like that a kid died for stepping on a lawn.
 
Why did the kid step on the lawn....... poor guy.

But anyway, since we're talking about guns here, I say ban them, but not because they are used to kill people (as in commit murder, people kill people, actually) and also not because of crime (see OvA's post) but becasue there will always be gun accidents and out-of-control situations by extremist groups, a riot or a kind of rebellion. Taking guns away from most people can help prevent social disorder and the deaths that happen every year.


edited for small self-contradiction
 
If go to Popeye's Chicken with a spork and start sporking peoples' eyeballs out, should the government put a ban on sporks for everyone (except those using sporks for crime, because they can get them off the black market) because of one whackjob?
 
OvA said:
If go to Popeye's Chicken with a spork and start sporking peoples' eyeballs out, should the government put a ban on sporks for everyone (except those using sporks for crime, because they can get them off the black market) because of one whackjob?
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Uh, people could argue that sporks aren't like guns, since tehy aren't meant to kill.....
 
15357 said:
Why did the kid step on the lawn....... poor guy.

But anyway, since we're talking about guns here, I say ban them, but not because they are used to kill people (as in commit murder, people kill people, actually) and also not because of crime (see OvA's post) but becasue there will always be gun accidents and out-of-control situations by extremist groups, a riot or a kind of rebellion. Taking guns away from most people can help prevent social disorder and the deaths that happen every year.


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Deaths and crime rise in disproportion to the amount of accidents stopped. Not logical to do so for that reason.
 
15357 said:
Uh, people could argue that sporks aren't like guns, since tehy aren't meant to kill.....
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Neither are cars... or commercial planes.
 
the one tiny fact you're all overlooking is that guns, unlike sporks or cars or airplanes, were created and designed for the sole purpose of killing.

which is why i hate them based on principle and i'd rather they didn't exist.

and yes, i also think swords and other things designed for killing are pretty ****ed up and shouldn't exist. they do, though, and i think the only real solution is eradication of guns, period. it's not realistic, i know that, i'm not stupid, but i'm going to push my ****in' opinion on other people if i damn well please, thank you.

on a lighter note, i'm moving this to politics.
 
Good. Also, it saddens me that this whole thing turns into a pissfight over gun control. Personally, I think that the arguments on either side are often wack, and each group has good points. But... really, all I know is that is some sick shit.
 
So, according to the murderer, the kid he shot was "messing with his stuff". Why not call the police and arrest them then? At the very least, file a report!

This guy saw the chance to kill someone, and took it. And thats what gets me sick about humanity. If it has the chance, it will.

If you justify this mans excuse, then you've just justified the use of any excuse.

Man: "Officer, the kid was just walking down the road ... and he looked at me! The kid looked so dangerous, I had to shoot him."

This man obviously did'nt respect the law enough to fix his problems, but then again, he never trusted to try them in the first place. <sigh> Sick basterd. Hope the kid died quick, but then again, I wish he never had to die at all.
 
Raziaar said:
Please somebody say April fools. :(

I don't like that a kid died for stepping on a lawn.
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Not April fools, this happened a while ago actually. I think almost about a week ago now.
 
This probably wouldn't have changed much even with gun control laws. Most countries that have such laws make exceptions for hunting, and seeing as the old bastard had a clean record he would have no problem buying a shotgun. The human mind is pretty fragile, and if you push far enough anyone will snap ... some sooner than others.

As far as the debate about gun control goes, from a moral/philosophical perspective they shouldn't exist. But from a practical perspective it would be very difficult to ban them outright ... and even if you did you could potentially cause more harm than good, at least in the short run.
 
Whether we like it or not guns will always exist. They are a necessary tool. Saying guns are bullshit is foolish. There will always be evil people intent on destruction so it is good to have people to fight against them. If there were no guns people would still be getting killed, buy by knives and other methods. You can't change this world, good and evil are a part of life. If you still hate this, don't say guns are bullshit, it is actually life that is bullshit. It is tough, so you must be strong willed to get through it.
 
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