manadtory boot camp

[Eg.]

i actually thinkit would be a good idea. right after highschool, everyone spends one year at boot camp along with basic training. this of course would be worked out so getting into college would be easer. im not a conscript nut, so here are my terms:

1. only 1 year, only basic training. nothing else, you get all the shots and training, and thats it you can leave. or stay.

2. if a war should occur while you are at basic, you will not be "drafted" or forced to enter in the army full time ex:6 months into ur training we go into Iraq(it lasted a month in real life), you will not be forced to fight, and after the one year, join or stay, ur decision.

3. itd be damned good for the whole "we are one nation bit", isreal does it, and it helps that everyone has shared a common realationship.

remeber, u will not be drafted in this theorecticall program, ur thoughts

 

[gh0st]

how about all capable people join the military for 2 years after high school. i dont really care, ill be doing it anyway.

 

[Eg.]

you shouldnt, im all for the army, its just think that if it works for teh isrealis, it should work for us. but it would become unpopular if they got shot up. a draft army is an unhappy army. an unhappy army does not work

 

[bliink]

lots of countries do that, china is one example.

 

[gh0st]

you shouldnt, im all for the army, its just think that if it works for teh isrealis, it should work for us. but it would become unpopular if they got shot up. a draft army is an unhappy army. an unhappy army does not work

IDF isnt a happy army? news to me. its more a social reason for being unhappy. it would do good for society though and little pukes like me.

 

[Eg.]

IDF is happy because they get bombed everyday and therefore have a purpose, im saying the american people wouldnt be to happy

 

[bliink]

IDF is happy because they get bombed everyday

am I the only one who thinks being bombed everyday wouldnt make you happy?

 

[gh0st]

am I the only one who thinks being bombed everyday wouldnt make you happy?

no, you arent. i dont think you quite hit it there eg.

 

[seinfeldrules]

lots of countries do that, china is one example.

Switzerland is another.

 

[falconwind]

you shouldnt, im all for the army, its just think that if it works for teh isrealis, it should work for us. but it would become unpopular if they got shot up. a draft army is an unhappy army. an unhappy army does not work

Because, Lord knows, we should all be more like the Israelis...

 

[Steve]

lots of countries do that, china is one example.

Great! Let's all follow the commies!

 

[seinfeldrules]

Swiss do it. They seem to stay out of trouble.

 

[Steve]

Swiss do it. They seem to stay out of trouble.

Everybody's always sayin', "oooh...look at the Swiiiiss. They're so neuuuutral."
It's easy to remain neutral when nobody wants to invade you're country. I mean, seriously...it's so cold there!

 

[seinfeldrules]

Everybody's always sayin', "oooh...look at the Swiiiiss. They're so neuuuutral."
It's easy to remain neutral when nobody wants to invade you're country. I mean, seriously...it's so cold there!

Sooooooooooooooooooooo much money though.

 

[Steve]

Sooooooooooooooooooooo much money though.

Well, YEAH. Their Army is a freakin' corporation! (Yeah, yeah, the banks, too, I guess)

 

[Eg.]

am I the only one who thinks being bombed everyday wouldnt make you happy?

what i meant was that they have motivation to serve their nation in an active manner, since Hamas and the like keep blowing stuff up. they dont see the service as a punishment, but as a way to help their nation. in america to many people would be opposed(damn liberals) to serving as a concript for a year, so boot camp will do.

 

[Steve]

to serving as a concript for a year, so boot camp will do.

Yeah...us stupid liberals and our desire for freedom of choice.

 

[Eg.]

damn them to hell, but really they will ruin the country. theyd rather find a thousand faults in the US than one in a tyrannical regime. last nation to do this was Rome, and they fell like shit

 

[Steve]

What's the old adage? "Do not reach to take the speck out of your neighbor's eye when you have a log in your own"?

 

[seinfeldrules]

(Yeah, yeah, the banks, too, I guess)

Thats what I meant

 

[The Mullinator]

Yes but don't make it as harsh as actual military basic training. Also one year is a little long to keep people out of the work place or getting a higher education.

However I do agree with having it, it would definately make people more disciplined, improve the general health of the population and toughen everyone up.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Another idea would be to replace 'army' type work with community service and non combat type jobs. You choose which option best fits you, either the army or what I mentioned.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Ridiculous idea. How about giving everyone 1 compulsory year of higher education? They can choose what course they want, business, engineering, multimedia, science, arts, etc. Lack of education is the bane of humanity.

I'm a goddamn genius.

 

[qckbeam]

Ridiculous idea. How about giving everyone 1 compulsory year of higher education? They can choose what course they want, business, engineering, multimedia, science, arts, etc. Lack of education is the bane of humanity.

I'm a goddamn genius.

Yes you are

I couldn't agree more. What exactly is the purpose of forcing everyone off to boot camp for a year of basic? Build patriotism and pride in ones country? Those two things, in the wrong doses, are dangerous. We have enough "patriots" thanks.

 

[smwScott]

It's a stupid idea. And as far as the idea of patriotism goes, it's really the ignorant masses who are damaging this country, certainly not the liberals. A government will grow corrupt and overpowering if there is not a constant force there to keep it in check. The conservatives and the attitude that we must go along with whatever the country does is what will do long term damage to the country. A subservient population is never good for a society.

A true patriot can recognize the faults of his country and try to correct them.

 

[Steve]

A true patriot can recognize the faults of his country and try to correct them.

Exactly...a true patriot may see the bad things in his country, but he will never forsake it. That's why I hate all these idiots who are like "waaaahhh Bush won...I'm moving to Canada!"

 

[Kommie]

I agree, It would really help foster a sense of brotherhood. Provide citizens with more determination and willpower, and help some of those fatties lose some weight!! (that last part was half-joking)

The problem is that if we give military training to everyone, everyone would have it. What I mean is that those radical lefties/righties who want stuff to change and what it done now may cause a little more trouble. And two we will have alot More professional mercenaries, I dont know why that seems like such a problem to me it just does. These have no real basis just all my opinion

 

[Steve]

The problem is that if we give military training to everyone, everyone would have it. What I mean is that those radical lefties/righties who want stuff to change and what it done now may cause a little more trouble. And two we will have alot More professional mercenaries, I dont know why that seems like such a problem to me it just does. These have no real basis just all my opinion

Also, you'll have a lot more people getting killed in fistfights. Everyone in the country would legally have their hands classified as "deadly weapons"!

 

[bliink]

yeah, dont forget the whole military mentality that you would instill in the population.. :\

 

[FictiousWill]

Ridiculous idea. How about giving everyone 1 compulsory year of higher education? They can choose what course they want, business, engineering, multimedia, science, arts, etc. Lack of education is the bane of humanity.

I'm a goddamn genius.

Agreement.

 

[Kangy]

What a stupid idea.

A) Your nation is founed on freedom. Uphold it.
B) Fusion made a better point about giving everyone a 1 year compulsory higher education.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

I'm commenting on National service in my country, but I know that it would do no end of good for a lot of people. Its deffinately not about instilling patriotism in people here. They stopped doing it decades ago now, but I think they should bring it back. It gives everyone a high level of physical fitness, and in fact strength of mind. It develops self confidence but keeps you modest. It also teachers you to respect others and the decisions of those who are more experienced than you.

Obviously there are a few people who completely reject it and even go mad, but if you can find them early on and help them then it would still work. I also think that under the system, prisoners should be forced to do national service and while on it they should (Perhaps, like everyone else) also be put to work doing community service. Building public works and so forth. Of course, it shold be kept seperate from the regular army in should only be used as a reserve behind the TA.

As for 1 year of compulsory education. Well I think we should have any chance to learn, but at that age, it would not be a good idea at all. Especially for men. Not only will people have spent most of their lives in education by then, but also at that age your brain is changing dramatically and you just can't handle it any more. You are thrust into a world that you don't really know much about and you haven't prepared for, and you just want to get away from it. Maturity is soemthing as well, a lot of students leave university and they are still actually very immature, and no...you are not all different from "them". A couple of years away from education...and in national service...would give people a chance to grow up (especialy, as I said, men who need a little time longer to mentally mature) and would leave them better suited for university.


I typed that in quite a rush because I'm going out now, but I'm sure I got my point across.

 

[The Mullinator]

I'm commenting on National service in my country, but I know that it would do no end of good for a lot of people. Its deffinately not about instilling patriotism in people here. They stopped doing it decades ago now, but I think they should bring it back. It gives everyone a high level of physical fitness, and in fact strength of mind. It develops self confidence but keeps you modest. It also teachers you to respect others and the decisions of those who are more experienced than you.

I completely agree, I don't care about turning people into soldiers or making them patriotic. I want some sort of military training for all the things you listed.

 

[Eg.]

to those that say we should give an education:


normally, when you do ur stint in the army for however long, that follows you to college, and u are given preferential treatment. where as if u are dishonorably discharged, its like being black listed. it was like that in Nam, but i dont know if it follows true now

 

[seinfeldrules]

If you needed another year of compulsory education, why not just add another year of High School? Thats a silly idea because people who are flunking are going to keep doing so, people who are succeeding will probably continue this trend. An extra year really wont make much of a difference.

 

[CptStern]

volunteer yes, mandatory no. Not everybody wants to spend 1-2 years of their life being subserviant to someone else's ideology.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Thats a silly idea because people who are flunking are going to keep doing so, people who are succeeding will probably continue this trend. An extra year really wont make much of a difference.

Perhaps , perhaps not. A lot of people have no idea what they want to do with their lives during school. Plunging them straight into work after school suddenly destroys many opportunities. Giving a year of university life could help people really think about where they're going, what they want to do etc. It's a completely different environment to school, there's far more freedom and those that found school life oppressive may change their viewpoint on learning in that new setting.

Though i guess my argument could also be used for the pro-bootcamp movement

In the end the freedoms of our western countries would never see such a law creep into the light of day. For both mandatory bootcamp and higher education. I don't think we'd ever violate such a core part of our culture for good or ill. Freedom of choice has to win in the end.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

volunteer yes, mandatory no. Not everybody wants to spend 1-2 years of their life being subserviant to someone else's ideology.

Yet still millions of us go to work for people we don't like, doing things we hate simply because we need to the money to survive. Just because "Boot camp" is more obvious, doesn't mean that you are any more stuck inside it. I'm sure a lot of people would like to use your statement when they break the law...and what about children. How do you know your child will want to grow up living by your ideals? Even if you believe in freedom or choice...

Besides, its not about ideology. Try for a moment to look past the prejudice you have against the army and see what this could be. Just read what I posted before and you can see that it doesn't have to be about patriotism, and very much isn't anyway. At least not the patriotism you describe. Patriotism as I see it in the army is simply about following the orders of your superiors (Who know best. Whatever Canada's army is like, I know that the majorty of leaders in the British army know what they're doing. There are certain issues where the army fails, but that is like so many things, on the corporate level)

Now please don't blank that statement with "We are all human and live on Earth etc" because yes in fact we are all human, and because of that we aren't ready to 'live as one', and we wont be for a long time. It takes a lot of time to adjust and the development we have seen in the past century or so has been tremendously fast.

 

[Steve]

Yet still millions of us go to work for people we don't like, doing things we hate simply because we need to the money to survive. Just because "Boot camp" is more obvious, doesn't mean that you are any more stuck inside it.

No, because you're not legally obligated to get a job. And if you hate your job, you can always quit without being court martialed and killed (desertion is an offense punishable by death).

 

[CptStern]

Yet still millions of us go to work for people we don't like, doing things we hate simply because we need to the money to survive. Just because "Boot camp" is more obvious, doesn't mean that you are any more stuck inside it. I'm sure a lot of people would like to use your statement when they break the law...and what about children. How do you know your child will want to grow up living by your ideals? Even if you believe in freedom or choice...

Besides, its not about ideology. Try for a moment to look past the prejudice you have against the army and see what this could be. Just read what I posted before and you can see that it doesn't have to be about patriotism, and very much isn't anyway. At least not the patriotism you describe. Patriotism as I see it in the army is simply about following the orders of your superiors (Who know best. Whatever Canada's army is like, I know that the majorty of leaders in the British army know what they're doing. There are certain issues where the army fails, but that is like so many things, on the corporate level)

Now please don't blank that statement with "We are all human and live on Earth etc" because yes in fact we are all human, and because of that we aren't ready to 'live as one', and we wont be for a long time. It takes a lot of time to adjust and the development we have seen in the past century or so has been tremendously fast.

it's teaching to kill: completely against my life-philosophy

I dont have a bias towards all military, I just dont wish to be a tool of the military-industrial complex

this is the modern day military as predicted by D. Eisenhower

btw farrow, I'm a dual citizen ..canada and Spain ..in spain military service is mandatory ..so i'm aware of what the military can bring to people's lives as all of my relatives served their 2 years ...a true democracy is about having the freedom to decide your own fate ..and I'd choose not to serve in the military for my own personal reasons ..no government should regulate that