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Recently, Gabe confirmed that you would be able to 'manipulate' large
objects with the manipulator, such as cars, after it is 'upgraded'. Which inspired in me the thought that objects you pick up with the manipulator should be semi-transparent while you are holding them, so that you can of course see what you are aiming at. Picking up a car or a big box will effectively blind you if they are not transparent, and cause you to not hit sh*t. Personally, I wouldn't like the look of things being invisible while I am holding them, it looks so cool in the vids when you can see the object, but realistically you'll need to be able to see. Any good alternatives (none I can think of)? Maybe small things visible, big things invisible, or a maybe a toggle you can bind to a key. As far as realism of objects being semi-invisible, well they could just say that the manipulator causes the atoms in objects to turn invis, or the hev suit has an xray device in it.. I mean the game is about aliens from other dimensions, so it's not that big of a stretch to make things invisible.
 
This wouldnt be in keeping with the immersive style of half life. :cool:
 
nar, i wudent like it to be translucent, it would detract from the game

PLUS, I think its prety hard to miss with a car sized object :p
 
Originally posted by marksmanHL2 :)
nar, i wudent like it to be translucent, it would detract from the game

PLUS, I think its prety hard to miss with a car sized object :p
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lol true...true :)
 
Yeah that's all a bit DX... Makes sense but bugger it, you're holding a car. Think about that...:p
"Ant Lions!? Pffft! Strider!? Bring it the f*ck on!"

-The Manipulator. The Gentleman's choice in Half Life 2.
 
lmao, i'd like to see you swing a car in circles like the body in the e3 demo where he pickedup the dead guy and swirled him around. Now picture a car doing circles and taking out oncoming antlions with ease.
 
WOAH, matrix scene trip

pickup the stick and fight yoneo
 
Originally posted by supangr
but realistically you'll need to be able to see.
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ROFLMAO... :cheers: :cheese: :LOL: :naughty: :D


hmm... yeah... ok... lol
 
Lol, thing is, I bet you there are creatures in HL2 that are 3 times as big as cars. Be funny you throwing a car at it, and the car just bounces off the armour. You'd be like 'Oh Im sorry, was that me who threw the car into?! oh I'm sorry, I gotta go!'
 
if you cant see.. then dont pick up cars.. lol pick up the little things... watermelons, chairs, dildos.. whatever :)
 
Damn! Dildos would be cool! It'll be some sort of probing weapon
 
well something you could do is have a little camera screen appear on your hud to display what is on the otherside of the manipulator that way you can have the general idea of where things are so you can chuck cars at them.
 
what would be sweet is if you guys read people's posts...we KNOW the manipulator can only pick up little things normally. But this entire thread was started over a statement from gabe that it can be upgraded to pick up larger items. So.

What could withstand a car!? Something really huge maybe, but if the car is intact it would probably explode on impact...I don't think a strider could handle it. Maybe if it was some sort of tank.

supangr, did gabe mean it can be upgraded in game, or that it could be modded to pick up larger items?
 
Well I have no idea what could take a car being thrown at it..it was kinda joke lol.
But Gabe said that theres some really surprisng aliens in HL2, I wouldnt be surprised if there was a massive alien thing, that would be so cool, but scary at the same time.
 
Originally posted by Typhon
what would be sweet is if you guys read people's posts...we KNOW the manipulator can only pick up little things normally. But this entire thread was started over a statement from gabe that it can be upgraded to pick up larger items. So.

What could withstand a car!? Something really huge maybe, but if the car is intact it would probably explode on impact...I don't think a strider could handle it. Maybe if it was some sort of tank.

supangr, did gabe mean it can be upgraded in game, or that it could be modded to pick up larger items?
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It will be upgraded during hl2 single player, Gabe said.
 
I hope the manipulator doesn't run on any kind of ammo or energy, it'd be a great way of conserving ammo (which always seems to be so low in the movies).

I hated in half life 1 when you had to resort to the damn crowbar all the time.

Well, the second I aquire the manipulator I'm gonna use it at every opportunity (ala Jedi Knight 2 with the lightsabre)
 
Id like to see what would happen to the flying hovercraft that looks like a Hunter Killer from Terminator movies if it got a car thrown at it.
 
*Laughs* LAUNCH THE DOOM BUGGY into the propellors... BOOM!!!
 
God HL2 is so ******* going to rock. I can just imagine lifting a car up simply placing it over my teamate and simply dropping it just a foot above his head and watch him be crushed in a most awsome way and having that feel like "that was awsome" . Ofcourse people will start to complain as usual about liama-ing with FF but **** that. I'll have fun killing whatever I see that moves and breathes. :D
 
I can't imagine multiplayer with manipulators without there being a lot of lag.
 
God HL2 is so ******* going to rock. I can just imagine lifting a car up simply placing it over my teamate and simply dropping it just a foot above his head and watch him be crushed in a most awsome way and having that feel like "that was awsome" . Ofcourse people will start to complain as usual about liama-ing with FF but **** that. I'll have fun killing whatever I see that moves and breathes.
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So what happend when FF is off does the car float on top of them or do they end up inside of the car? lol that would be a great way to get into a vehicle. Insted of run to it pick it up w/ the manipulator and toss it at your team mates.
 
If you think about the actual physics of the manipulator gun, and the kick back it has from shooting even small things, i can imagine you shooting a car would send you flying backwards, and the car just standing still.

you can't force it to move without having an equal force pushing back the other way.
 
also, the whole "i can imagien using the manipulator and then crushing and blood and omg ogm ogm and then he's dead and he flies down ragdoll style yeaaaaaaah!!!!! and then alyx says hey big boy and winks at me" kind of reply gets pretty old

keep it in your head.

also, these are the people who overhype the game so much and will be disappointed by it.
 
Originally posted by CommieX
I can't imagine multiplayer with manipulators without there being a lot of lag.
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Yeah, but if they don't put it in, someone else will, so either way we'll be getting multiplayer manipulator action...

And I would imagine that the car would block the shots just as the grate thing did in the traptown movie, and therefore, if you could see through the car, it would make it kind of unbalanced. There has to be some way to counter-act the fact that you'd be basically invincibile from the front (unless they make it so that high powered shots can knock stuff out of the manipulator's hold).

And yeah, I think the car would stand still and you'd fly back, but you also have to remember that it's some kind of gravity or magnetic manipulation device, so I would imagine that it would find some way to counter-act that. Although if not, it could be used as a grapling hook if you use it against buildings and stuff...
 
Originally posted by Wesisapie
also, the whole "i can imagien using the manipulator and then crushing and blood and omg ogm ogm and then he's dead and he flies down ragdoll style yeaaaaaaah!!!!! and then alyx says hey big boy and winks at me" kind of reply gets pretty old

keep it in your head.

also, these are the people who overhype the game so much and will be disappointed by it.
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Haha I know what you mean; some people get a little carried away.
 
first off the manipulator gives off a reaction that jolts objects away it doesnt shoot them... it manipulates gravity and has no effect on the player's recoil.

Also, I'm sure that even if friendly fire is on things like explosions and cars can still kill people... a lotta games do that were the only frienly fire are things that the player shoots like bullets only.

It's already been said that the physics can be turned up or down in multiplayer so there will be servers with high physics and manipulators as well as ones with low phyisics and other guns. Valve would never put limits on this game.

Gabe has been quoted from saying " dont show players a bomb and then not let them blow it up" well, i'll tell you that I saw cars being shot by bullets and those moved the cars realistically, so the manipulator will also be able to throw and block with them. These things are really easy to see if you study the videos, and notive what is effected by physics and then tie that into Gabe's speeches about what can happen.
 
I think being blinded by the car would balance out the fact that you are picking up a FREAKING car. Notice in the movies when he threw the barrel at the guard down the stairs. He missed because he couldn't really see where he was. Had he HIT him it most likely would of been an instant kill. I think it's powerfull enough with just a barrel. Think what would happen if a car came flying down the street towards you and your friends walking. It could take out 10 people in one shot depending on how you are standing.
 
Even if FF was on in MP, the car would crush your teammate. This is just like in CS back when vehicles existed. Technically, YOU can't kill them, but an object that you put over them can. At least, that's what I think would happen.

I think the manipulator will have some sort of power supply / ammo. IT doesn't really have to run out, maybe just temporarily exhaust it's stored power and you have to wait for it to recharge. It would be cheap if you could just use that for the whole game and fly objects at people.

I can imagine it being something like the Impact hammer shield thing in UT2k3.
 
hell no are you kidding???

I want to play the whole game through with the manipulator alone, i've never seen anything like it!! It couldnt be cheap, it shoudl recharge definitely, if it doesnt i'l prolly type cheats before i even start playing.

Makin it invisible would take away from the realism, like another said. I like the fact that you cant see, it makes hiding behind the car more intense because you wonder where the guy is and are constantly scared hoping you're blockin his shots.

I cannot wait till multiplayer with that weapon :O it's the single reason I'll be up for a week without sleep.
 
way to get overhyped about a single weapon. it's just a gun that shoots stuff. geez
 
You're a negative arse, pie-boy. Of all the things that show HL2 as one of the most innovative games ever, this is a prime example. Opens up a lot of play potential - both tactical and hilarious - in ways other games never had before. That's something to be excited about.

The Manipulator - The Gentleman's Weapon of Choice
 
""way to get overhyped about a single weapon. it's just a gun that shoots stuff. ""

Wow you have no imagination! :p
 
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