Marine General says killing is good

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/03/general.shoot/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146371,00.html

Surprised nobody posted this yet, I know this'll be a great topic-starter. I wanna hear both sides. Personally, I think the quote is being used grossly out of context, and honestly, I'm not offended at all, just like the recent VMI (Rah, Virginia Mil, Hooah!) scandal, this is just being used to put a bad name on whole institutions, when one guy said something maybe he shouldn;t have said, but he does have freedom of speech, if anything he shouldn;t have said it so publically. Soldiers kill people though, and facts are facts. Though they also do a helluva lot more, and should be recognized for those things as well, like helping out with the tsunami victims and rebuilding Iraq.
 
I just read that article on yahoo news...actually kinda found it a little funny.

Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. ... It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you, I like brawling."


He added, "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."
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That is a marine for you.

Is it a crime to love your profession?
 
Ouch! well thats in the news best interest to report, should sell like hot cakes overseas.





The Patriot "Freedom is not Free"
 
yes but there are news stories that say the same thing that gets little or no airtime ..case in point I've been sitting on a video of a marine killing a wounded iraqi to the cheers of his squad mates. the marine in question said it felt good to kill him and he wanted to do it again ..I havent posted the link not because it's gory, but because it'll lead to a huge flame war ..and then bliink will bring out the whip, and heads will roll :O
 
CptStern said:
yes but there are news stories that say the same thing that gets little or no airtime ..case in point I've been sitting on a video of a marine killing a wounded iraqi to the cheers of his squad mates. the marine in question said it felt good to kill him and he wanted to do it again ..I havent posted the link not because it's gory, but because it'll lead to a huge flame war ..and then bliink will bring out the whip, and heads will roll :O
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And then throw something at me...

But anyway, I see how people can get pissed off at this, but these guys aren't exactly in the most fun of places, and they're gonna go a little loopy. Of course, they were a little psycho to start off with, but an army that enjoys what it does is probably going to be an effective army. It's the leadership that needs to be level-headed...that needs to want to exhaust every option before using force.
 
Bodacious said:
That is a marine for you.

Is it a crime to love your profession?
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Shouldn;t be, it's exactly that, a profession, it's their job, and personally i think getting loopy has nothing to do with it and isn;t really relevant
 
"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."
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This man clearly has very little knowledge about the people he is fighting - or if he does, he is unable to accept that not everyone does things the way the west does.

I'm not saying I agree with forcing women to wear veils; but they make it out like its an offense to make them do this, punishable with death. It's not. I've spoken to women who used to have to obey this law, and they said they liked it, they didn't have men staring at them, it meant that people had to get to know her personality before seeing how fit she was. What I'm saying is, it's not as harsh and evil as many media outlets make out - although I totally condone the strict way some countries choose to enforce it.

Imagine if I came round his house, shot him, and said "Gosh it was an aweful lot of fun killing him, especially cuz he used to go hunting at weekends and shoot and kill innocent animals".

Sorry, but pricks like him really p*ss me off - I'm not saying he's a fair representation of the coalition at all, what I am saying is that people of his rank DO reflect the beliefs of a good many more people than you'd expect. If he's telling this to people below him, they'll pass it on down the ranks.... and he'll be in charge of a good many people.

If we intend to "save" countries by giving them democracy whilst flushing out the terrorists (read: foreign fighters, nothing to do with al quaeda in anyway, and orginally of no threat to the West), and ridding them of their WMD capabilities - they need to do it properly, saying idiotic, barbaric things like that is not the way to do it.
 
well that theyr job

anyway they just kill soldiers that atack them right?
 
He added, "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.
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Amen. :)
 
All i can gather from that is his moral/intelligence factor closes on the apitomy of the human race.

thats totally and utterly disgraceful... maybe he is good at his job but people like him belong back in the dark ages, maiming people who oppose his king, like a savage arse.
 
"soldier likes killing people"

Wow... didn't see that coming...
 
Caught this yesterday

Honestly, I'm not surprised by a statement like that at all. I've heard much worse come from the mouths of soldiers in the past. Some people see killing as a sport and the military gives them a way to partake in it legally; it's quite sick.
 
The topic title is wrong. It should read, Marine General says killing is Fun, not Good. He didn't say it was good.

I am sure some people think robbing banks is fun, but that doesn't make it good.
 
typical marine, He is probably half-joking anyway. The marines have a reputation to uphold.

But I find the statement kind of disturbing, and sick. and yet almost agree with it, I am very confused.
 
Kommie said:
typical marine, He is probably half-joking anyway. The marines have a reputation to uphold.

But I find the statement kind of disturbing, and sick. and yet almost agree with it, I am very confused.
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I don't know, the actual sound bites don't sound like jokes at all.
 
qckbeam said:
Caught this yesterday

Honestly, I'm not surprised by a statement like that at all. I've heard much worse come from the mouths of soldiers in the past. Some people see killing as a sport and the military gives them a way to partake in it legally; it's quite sick.
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Sick as it may be I can't really see how an army could function properly if it takes killing its enemies too seriously.

In history the best armies were the ones that enjoyed what they did, the armies that won the battles were the ones that enjoyed killing.
 
At least the guy is honest. He's probably seen some really disturbing stuff and its left him a little tweaked.

If he feels that way, he shouldn't say it in public. We've kind of already know about certain people in the military that get a hard-on from blowing crap up. Im just glad he's on our side. :thumbs:
 
Guess what, he was trained to kill. Many years of hardcore training to kill.
Plus he personally just might like killing people.
Why not do a job you love?
 
Minerel said:
Guess what, he was trained to kill. Many years of hardcore training to kill.
Plus he personally just might like killing people.
Why not do a job you love?
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You've made a convincing argument. I'm going to quit my current job and pursue my passion. Serial killer or hit man for the Mafia, what shall it be?
 
well what can you say, im sure the terorists enjoy killing innocent people, while marines love killing the terrorists.
 
I think its a problem if anyone enjoys killing people :\
 
whats a rarebear? is that like... a carebear? but rarer?... hmm.
Soldiers kill, if they didnt like it.. they wouldnt be in the army long. We just shouldnt let them kill or give them a reason... but thats what wars are for. Blame Bush... he'll be sending them all into Iran next, he's doing the exact same propaganda bullshit speaches as he did the past 3 years about Iraq.
 
You've made a convincing argument. I'm going to quit my current job and pursue my passion. Serial killer or hit man for the Mafia, what shall it be?
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I think.. Hitman.
Hitman would work out best.
How about a real nice assassin! Like a splinter cell kinda guy!

All I'm saying is he is fighting for his goverment, for a country, for a nation, and for USA's freedom, and he loves what he does.
Is that such a bad thing?
 
Minerel said:
All I'm saying is he is fighting for his goverment, for a country, for a nation, and for USA's freedom, and he loves what he does.
Is that such a bad thing?
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when what he does is kill people, yeah.. yeah it is a bad thing.
 
Minerel said:
All I'm saying is he is fighting for his goverment, for a country, for a nation, and for USA's freedom, and he loves what he does.
Is that such a bad thing?
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Getting a real kick out of murdering other people...well....there is something wrong with that regardless of motive.
 
KoreBolteR said:
well what can you say, im sure the terorists enjoy killing innocent people, while marines love killing the terrorists.
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It's ashame he's not talking about killing terrorists, he's on about killing the resistance army. The army that is trying to defend it's country from the foreign invaders. Remind me again why we went to war? Terrorists, WMDs, and... er... oh yeah free Iraq. Sorry, but if any country invaded the UK saying we had illegal weapons and tonnes of terrorists, I'd take up arms and fight them, especially if one of the primary reasons they invaded was proven to be a lie.
 
wtf, this is messed up,, people on this forum trying to justify killing a human being? I dont care who you are, or what you believe in, nothing can justify it.. its just horrible.. and capitalist society isnt exactley in a position to start spouting off about 'fighting for democracey' when its not actually acting like one..


and if i read my history right, the neo conservative American government actually supported Afghanistan rebels, including Bin Laden, when the Afghans where at war with communist Russia. They trained them , supplied weapons, because it was the intrest of the US G at the time that communist Russia was evil, and they had to fight that evil. So what can I say, wtf? its messed up. You help them, they screw you over? it doesnt add up, Its just a war machine, designed for profit making, and attempting to bring people together by thinking their fighting some kind of evil to unite them as some kind of good in the world, to make them feel good.., when the real evil is at the heart of the Government, the plotters who plan it all out for power gain and world stance, its totally wack, I can intuitively see whats happening, and the way the human mind works,, and its makes me sick to my stomach to watch people fall for it like suckers, is it a reflection of their lack of intuition or intelligence..? id like to think not.

Oh and Saddam and the neo conservatives where all pal e pal at the time too.

say no more..
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with the unsanctioned act of war, believe it or not, even though the governments are getting away with blue murder, because its an illegal war there fighting, it classify's higher authorities to be prosecuted for war crimes. But thats not gonna happen now, because this isnt really a democracey.
 
didnt happen in desert storm where there was no question of war crimes, not gonna happen this time around either
 
i guess everyone missed the fact he's a general and probably hasn't been in a battle in 15-20 years or so.... so he hasn't killed anyone in many years, and complaining about him being a sicko now doesn;t really mean anything
 
I see the reasoning behind liking what you do and all, I just can't fathom liking to kill another person.

Then again, I'm not in the military, nor do I ever want to be.
 
MarcoPolo said:
I see the reasoning behind liking what you do and all, I just can't fathom liking to kill another person.
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Killing an enemy is alot easier than killing a human being. I suspect that is what they mean.
 
Minerel said:
IAll I'm saying is he is fighting for his goverment, for a country, for a nation, and for USA's freedom, and he loves what he does.
Is that such a bad thing?
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Yes, USA is still free now thanks to the Iraq war. It's so lucky we got rid of those WMDs, and reduced the number of terrorist threats, reduced the hatred towards the west.

OK, fun-fact time.
Iraq was never a threat to US freedom
Terrorist figures are up
Killing human beings based on a false premise invented to justify invasion IS a bad thing. Killing anybody is evil. It goes against just about every religious and moral code out there. If you've gotta do it, don't harp on about how you find it 'fun' for Christs's sake, is it really so hard to see why so many people in the Middle East see the West as the 'true enemy', we act f**king evil a lot of the time - here is but one example.
 
Icarusintel said:
i guess everyone missed the fact he's a general and probably hasn't been in a battle in 15-20 years or so.... so he hasn't killed anyone in many years, and complaining about him being a sicko now doesn;t really mean anything
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if a seasoned veteran and general can say these things, what are the common grunts like?
 
CptStern said:
if a seasoned veteran and general can say these things, what are the common grunts like?
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If the CEO of a company is an unbearable coke-snorting arse, then all of his employees are too?

Seriously, it amazes me the broad sweeping generalizations on the forums around here.

I hate to shatter everyone's illusion, but:

one != all
 
lord dubu said:
If the CEO of a company is an unbearable coke-snorting arse, then all of his employees are too?

Seriously, it amazes me the broad sweeping generalizations on the forums around here.

I hate to shatter everyone's illusion, but:

one != all
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Bad analogy.
Very few companies make their employees sniff white lines. Very few armies DON'T have soliders who're trained, and do, shoot and kill people.
Killing people has an impact on a person. While I'm in no way implying everyone who's killed someone thinks it's fun, when a high ranker who's done nothing like it for years thinks it's fun, it's very possible to assume that people who're out on the field now will be, especially when their higher ranking officers are reinforcing that idea.
 
lord dubu said:
If the CEO of a company is an unbearable coke-snorting arse, then all of his employees are too?

Seriously, it amazes me the broad sweeping generalizations on the forums around here.

I hate to shatter everyone's illusion, but:

one != all
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point out where I said that ALL soldiers like to kill


as burner pointed out they're trained to kill ..you have to motivate them somehow ..using "saddam has wmd and will use them on americans/saddam funded 9/11" only goes so far
 
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