Maybe creationism isnt so rediculous.

[baxter]

Not too much, care to enlighten me?

 

[Feath]

Not too much, care to enlighten me?

Once you get to the subatomic level things tend to get a bit weird.

I can't remember anything, though. Read "In Search of Schrodinger's Cat" if anyone's interested.

 

[BirdMan]

OK i watched pretty much 70% of the movie... even tho I did not watch it all I'll allow myself to criticize. I found it too simple.

Ok now you people are gonna hate me. I did not read all your opinions, or theory about creation of life, but I just want to ask something.

As anyone read the book: "Conversations with God"

It's a book that a guy( Neale Donald Walsch) and god wrote. Yes you say yell Bull****, that's what i thought too. "Hey God don't speak to nobody you fool, This book is just a guy who wants money".

Maybe it is.. but if this guy wants money, well he deserves it, cause it chagned my life forever. I've read alot of philosophy books, i'm very open to every philosophy out there, but this one I found the most complete, the most credible, the most uncontradicable (does that word exist?), and i answers all your question, from the begining of life, time, universe, and beyond* in all a symetric and logical yet understandable way (even tho many won't understand 10% of the book) Anyway, I'm not here to publicise this book, even If i just did, I'm just here to see if anyone read it, If anyone has something to contradict it.. because it is so perfect that it regroups every single theory out there and gives sense to them.

I truly believe that "God" exists, but not your "god".

Go flame me

 

[baxter]

Once you get to the subatomic level things tend to get a bit weird.

I can't remember anything, though. Read "In Search of Schrodinger's Cat" if anyone's interested.

Who's talking "subatomic level”?
This is a general conversation regarding creation and there is nothing weird about it at all. If you wish to rebuke my comments, feel free, but you should back up your comments with facts or even opinions.

 

[Cole]

Is anything random?
To me, no.
Nothing is random. I am atheist....but.. Could life be a chain reaction? Could everything we do be a reaction to something else that happened? Obviously there is no such thing as random. Random is non existant as everything must abide by the physical laws. Random simply does not fit does not work does not exist. It simply can't in my mind. Everything must happen for another thing to happen.
When a truck hits a tree. The way the car dents, the way the airbag goes, the way the tree gets punctured, the way all that happens is not random. Everything is because of a physical law.
Now what about our thinking process? Our minds? Is how we think random or is it part of a reaction that started a few billion to prehaps a centillion years ago?

Anyway to me random is non existant and everything may be a chain reaction set off by... what? I don't know... Probably never know... But nothing is random to me and well..if it is not random? What is it? A reaction or something else?

 

[Reaktor4]

Im not gonna waste an hour watching what is obviously nonsense. Does it mention dinosaurs at all?

 

[Feath]

Who's talking "subatomic level”?
This is a general conversation regarding creation and there is nothing weird about it at all. If you wish to rebuke my comments, feel free, but you should back up your comments with facts or even opinions.

What I'm getting at is that saying "The start of the universe is against the laws of physics" isn't strictly true. When you get down to the sub-atomic level things don't behave like big objects. Something called inflation (which I can't remember anything about) can explain the start of the universe.

I'm not rebuking your comments. I'm just staying there's more to physics than stuff you (or most people) will know.

 

[Flyingdebris]

i always like to consider the possibility of infinite parrallel universes.

With infinite parrallel univereses, anything is infinitely possible. Right now on an infinite number of parrallel universes (if they exist) i am getting killed by a falling elephant for infnitely different reasons, or infnintely the same reasons. Or winning the nobel peace prize for running over an old lady.

universes are funny things

 

[15357]

i always like to consider the possibility of infinite parrallel universes.

With infinite parrallel univereses, anything is infinitely possible. Right now on an infinite number of parrallel universes (if they exist) i am getting killed by a falling elephant for infnitely different reasons, or infnintely the same reasons. Or winning the nobel peace prize for running over an old lady.

universes are funny things

 

[highphin13]

I believe in God, but I do not believe in the strict belief of creationism that the Earth and all the species living on it were created 10,000 or whatever it is years ago. People who believe the strict creationism (The whole 10,000 year ago thing, or however long ago it was) are simply ignorant. It isn't opinion, its scientific fact that the Earth and our solar system has been around for roughly 4.6 billion years.

When it comes down to it, the real question about God goes along with Baxter's point. And personally, that is where I think God came in.


And I think that Michael Creighton book Timeline delt with Alternative Universes, I haven't read that book in a while and I saved myself from seeing that awful movie with the guy from The Fast and the Furious.


Back to politics... I find it ironic that certain places are banning evolution to be tought in schools, and teaching creationism. What ever happened to seperation between church and state (even though that phrase isn't used directly in the constitution, the freedom of worship is protected in the First Amendment... I think)? Even though I believe in God, I am a strong supporter of our Constitutional rights. I am supprised that this whole creationism vs. evolution arguement (which is brought up mainly in school) hasn't been shot down over the issue of teaching religion in school.

 

[Apos]

I'll be around for a bit to answer any questions people might have.

We can get into the science of anything raised. But what strikes me most about videos like this is the sheer ignorance of the producers in thinking that there isn't more to the issue they raise available in the scientific literature. Science is a vast and contentious field of debate. These people come in, grab one or two soundbytes that they barely understand, and then present them as if they were the be all and end all of science: giving no thought to trying to explain the things they are talking about in the depth required to know the subject. It's really a shame, because instead of informing people, they misinform them. Instead of broadening people's understanding of the universe around us, they demean it, telling us that it's easy to understand, jumping at the easiest answers and overlooking all the contrary evidence and implications of what they are saying. In short, they aren't acting like scientists: thinking through what what they are saying implies about the web of interconnected phenomena which could confirm or deny their ideas. Instead, they just grab a bunch of hokum and throw it together with a pre-ordained conclusion stamped on it: god did it.

I would like to think that both science AND Christianity deserve better than that. If there is a god of this universe, a creator, it isn't some cheap trickster. I would highly recommend the book "Finding Darwin's God" by Kenneth Miller for a look at how an actual scientist AND a Christian sees the world, reconciling his faith with what we know of the universe without attacking science.

As I said, any specific issues I'll be happy to discuss to the extent of what I know.

 

[Direwolf]

Thats the blunt end of the double-edged sword that is visual media unfortunately. Oftentimes in trying to say something about something, you end up hurting your subject instead.

 

[Apos]

Speaking of dinosaurs, the recent find of somewhat intact T-rex tissue has yeilded a number of revelations connecting dinosaurs to birds. The bone, for instance, contains a medullary layer in the bone marrow: something currently unique to birds amongst modern lifeforms. Quite a coincidence, no, that the very order of creatures which scientists think was evolutionarily ancestral to birds share so much uniquely in common with modern avians(birds)? Depending on whether there is enough intact in the sample, we may even be able to determine more about the direct genetic relationship in pretty much exactly the same way they determine a child's paternity on Jerry Springer.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

Speaking of dinosaurs, the recent find of somewhat intact T-rex tissue has yeilded a number of revelations connecting dinosaurs to birds. The bone, for instance, contains a medullary layer in the bone marrow: something currently unique to birds amongst modern lifeforms. Quite a coincidence, no, that the very order of creatures which scientists think was evolutionarily ancestral to birds share so much uniquely in common with modern avians(birds)? Depending on whether there is enough intact in the sample, we may even be able to determine more about the direct genetic relationship in pretty much exactly the same way they determine a child's paternity on Jerry Springer.

i thought bird's bone was hollow, which made is lighter and ebels them to fly

 

[Apos]

They certainly do have hollow bones compared to ours (though not always). The layer in question is on the inside of the spaces inside the bones, much like a layer of grease on the inside wall of a basketball.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

They certainly do have hollow bones compared to ours (though not always). The layer in question is on the inside of the spaces inside the bones, much like a layer of grease on the inside wall of a basketball.

i see, anyway, aren't dinosors mentioned in the Bible, some think like, "monstors roaming the earth before man" or somthing like that

 

[Apos]

Not that I'm aware of. There is a description of what is called a behemoth, but it seems pretty certain that it's describing a hippo or rhino or similar creature. Dinosaurs died off completely 65 million years before the authors of the Bible ever lived.

 

[Zeus]

i see, anyway, aren't dinosors mentioned in the Bible, some think like, "monstors roaming the earth before man" or somthing like that

I don't think so, in the book of Genesis everything starts with Adam and Eve IIRC. I don't remember reading anything about dinosaurs in the bible. (then again I have only read the first 4 books of the bible).

 

[dys4iK]

At some point during the process of trying to reconcile creationism with science, you have to apply occam's razor and start taking out unnecessary complications, i.e. God.

 

[baxter]

At some point during the process of trying to reconcile creationism with science, you have to apply occam's razor and start taking out unnecessary complications, i.e. God.

"plurality should not be posited without necessity."
The words are those of the medieval English philosopher and Franciscan monk William of Ockham (ca. 1285-1349)
William was excommunicated by Pope John XXII. He responded by writing a treatise demonstrating that Pope John was a heretic.

Maybe this guy’s thoughts are not that relevant when dealing with creation, divine intervention or present ,real way of thinking.